Why Should I Vote for Obama?

Carne Seca said:

You sir, are a moron. Not an attack. Just an honest assessment.

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Well in your opinion, but you also believe not having insurance causes death, so really your assessment is pretty much worthless.

If you are asking a marijuana forum for political advise you shouldn't be voting.

purklize said:

We are all mortal beings. We will all need health care at some point in our lives. We will all suffer a series of increasingly serious illnesses, followed by a fatal one. The idea that some "don't need" health care is absurd.

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I need a new liver
but I don't plan on getting one so instead of health care when I get to the end of the road I plan on getting a motor cycle and a fith of bourbon and getting wasted then attempting to jump snake river canyon as my grand finale
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NoDrama said:

Well in your opinion, but you also believe not having insurance causes death, so really your assessment is pretty much worthless.

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I love how you keep trying to tell what I believe. And you're doing it so badly.

Transplants,,, oh geez, religion is killing people off because they wont donate. It is all in how you bend it.

Health insurance....Insurance against expenses incurred during an illness or injury.
Capital system... Everyone, must pay, for everything at the maximum amount of profit, one can attain. Shouldn't a Govt which is supposed to be voted in by you and I. Be a fiduciary dutiful with it. Instead of the allocation to Military Defense. When we spend a Trillion to develop a tool like an f16 then for 25% of that we sell it to another country. Then, they start over. That is not a good business. Spending 1 Trill to sell for 352Bill or what ever, the precise, ass burgers tally is. LOL
I think that money should get a hard look at. I would have to say this country and its taxes could afford to care for it's sick. But not the whole worlds. Canada requires you to take a health test before becoming a resident or citizen. To see what kind of stress health care for you would be their budget.

Chavez is catching heat from Exxon. Because they had their court, yet Chavez decided that their resource is best spread amongst it's people, not allowing them to Avatar the "tree of life". I am sure there are reasons Exxon won in the US Court. Chaves offered 250M over the loss. My point is, he is a leader who is channeling the money to his people in their time of need. Is the person you want on the hill doing what you want it to go for? Or are you uninformed? Making someones insurance go up because of a swipe of a pen. Is not the way. They need to re appropriate and stop the out flow of our tax dollars according to our peoples needs. If there is enough left over for new guns then go play Boys. But they give our tech away for 70% off

Carne Seca said:

I love how you keep trying to tell what I believe. And you're doing it so badly.

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Telling you? its pretty clear what you believe.

Carne Seca said:

He died because he DIDN'T HAVE INSURANCE.

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UncleBuck said:

who is the atheist candidate? i had not heard of one. i am agnostic and don't base my vote in any way on the religion of the candidate.

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i have repeatedly heard that an Agnostic is simply one who can't make a decision.

budlover13 said:

i have repeatedly heard that an Agnostic is simply one who can't make a decision.

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i like to think of it as reserving judgment until convincing evidence manifests itself.

how many hard agnostics does it take to screw in a light bulb? we can't know.

how many soft agnostics does it take to screw in a light bulb? we don't know.

UncleBuck said:

how many hard agnostics does it take to screw in a light bulb? we can't know.

how many soft agnostics does it take to screw in a light bulb? we don't know.

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How many leftists does it take
They will never see the light unless they turn right

purklize said:

Wrong, it is almost impossible to get dental care, and if you don't have insurance, chemo is totally unaffordable. It's so expensive that even generous doctors can't afford to give it out for free without sinking their practice. I saw someone with cervical cancer go from practice to practice, trying to get treatment. And yes, she had a job. She worked full time at Salvation Army but was paid minimum wage and had no health benefits. At minimum wage you would have to work full time for 50 years, literally, to afford a single chemo treatment. She eventually was fired for repeatedly vomiting on the job. She then went homeless. And then, at 21 years of age, she died...

You're playing games with semantics with people dying from lack of insurance.

I can play that game too. If I shoot you in the head, I didn't kill you. You died from blood loss. It's your fault you didn't clot up fast enough.



Everyone there wants to, but they can't sell their homes. The housing market is 100% dead, houses are selling for $1. Hard to move if you're going to lose what you spent your whole life working for, hundreds of thousands of dollars in mortgage payments...

Says the mj grower on a mj forum...

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Chemo is the ONLY treatment that doctors directly make money off of. They mark that shit up 100-300% or more. So if you see a Dr and he says you need chemo, he may just be trying to pay off that vacation house. Talk about a corrupt and ineffective system.

budlover13 said:

Chemo is the ONLY treatment that doctors directly make money off of. They mark that shit up 100-300% or more. So if you see a Dr and he says you need chemo, he may just be trying to pay off that vacation house. Talk about a corrupt and ineffective system.

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i agree with you completely. that type of free market system is not the right course.

what we need to do is remove the profit motive, as germany has done. germany still has private insurers that compete fiercely for business, yet they are all still private. the only difference is that they are non-profit and the government sets prices for procedures which they negotiate every year.

to satisfy the ron paul folks, we should also make exemptions for those who wish to opt out if they can prove that they can afford it, just like some states do with car insurance and how switzerland does their model.

we could also make our health care cost competitive with other nations by simply shrinking administrative costs. we spend almost a quarter of our health care dollars on administrative costs, other wealthy nations are as low as 8-10%. the PPACA works toward this, with administrative costs being forced down to 20% and then 15%, in line with other nations. not to mention the modernization of records, which will also cut down on administrative costs. and once pre-existing condition practices go away (as well as other practices in which much time and money is spent by insurers to deny even more costly procedures), the administrative costs will go down yet further.

you make a good argument for why there needs to be more government intervention into health care by making them not for profit groups, just as germany does.

because there is no one else. default. and he got OBL. good enough for me.

You shouldn't vote for Obama because he is corrupt and that's really all there is to it, he is not socialist, and forget everything else the main point is he is corrupt...30 of the people he appointed and his staff members work or worked for goldman sachs...Mitt Romney is a goldman sachs guy also and he is a liar and a prick...

A year from now, Ron Paul will be the answer to a trivia question.

Carne Seca said:

You sir, are a moron. Not an attack. Just an honest assessment.

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LOL... true.

NoDrama thinks causation doesn't exist.

The left should rejoice that its enemies are lost in space. It will make the coming revolution much easier. Thank you, Marie Antoinette!

UncleBuck said:

i agree with you completely. that type of free market system is not the right course.

what we need to do is remove the profit motive, as germany has done. germany still has private insurers that compete fiercely for business, yet they are all still private. the only difference is that they are non-profit and the government sets prices for procedures which they negotiate every year.

to satisfy the ron paul folks, we should also make exemptions for those who wish to opt out if they can prove that they can afford it, just like some states do with car insurance and how switzerland does their model.

we could also make our health care cost competitive with other nations by simply shrinking administrative costs. we spend almost a quarter of our health care dollars on administrative costs, other wealthy nations are as low as 8-10%. the PPACA works toward this, with administrative costs being forced down to 20% and then 15%, in line with other nations. not to mention the modernization of records, which will also cut down on administrative costs. and once pre-existing condition practices go away (as well as other practices in which much time and money is spent by insurers to deny even more costly procedures), the administrative costs will go down yet further.

you make a good argument for why there needs to be more government intervention into health care by making them not for profit groups, just as germany does.

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Maybe people should educate themselves a little more. You realize that somewhere in the field of 90% of those who die fighting cancer are killed by the treatment rather than the disease right?

50% of all healthcare expenditures in the US are for people in the last year of life.

What are we to make of that?

MuyLocoNC said:

What happens when the guy who doesn't want or need insurance is forced to pay for it at the point of the government's gun and Nothing happens to him and no medical ailments afflict him? You have now forcibly stolen from him and forced him to purchase a product he didn't want and that now has been proven to be something he didn't need. The money is not returned to him, so it is outright theft. So, if that's your argument, it's a weak one, IMO.

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What happens if I don't want protection from my house being burned down in a fire? I don't want or need the fire department to come to my house and yet my money is forcibly stolen from me in order to pay for a fire department. What happens if I don't want protection given to me by the United States military, I don't want or need them to protect me and so my tax money is stolen from me.

You see, your argument is no different than mine, we pay for things we may not personaly need in order that the community around us is preserved - money is not "stolen" from us. We seem to think that health and health insurance is different than other civil provisions to our welfare, when in reality they are not.

budlover13 said:

Maybe people should educate themselves a little more. You realize that somewhere in the field of 90% of those who die fighting cancer are killed by the treatment rather than the disease right?

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do you have any info to back up that number ????

Now even Harry Bellefonte says Obama doesn't deserve a second term and that he lacks a moral compass.