Would you pay more in taxes to make college/university FREE?

Would you pay more in taxes to make college/university FREE?

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Padawanbater2 said:
I feel like this is highly simplistic as not everyone who fails is stupid and not everyone who succeeds is smart. There are many more variables to succeeding in life than intelligence, like opportunity, economic or social status, location, etc.

Most successful people have failed many times before they succeeded.
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There's also an element of luck which I mentioned in another post. The fastest mouse can still get caught by the owl. But chances are the slow: diseased, injured and old mice will get caught first.

Obama's (along with most liberals) think those who "aren't given a chance" should be. But all that ends up USUALLY happening is:

A123
Fisker Karma’s Catch Fire (because of faulty batteries sold by A123)
Solyndra
Amonix Solar
Bright Source
LSP Energy
Energy Conversion Devices
Abound Solar
SunPower
Beacon Power
Ecotality
UniSolar
Azure Dynamics
Evergreen Solar
Ener1

But those bullshit programs were totally worth it. Global scaring is scary for a reason. No matter how retarded your idea, just apply saying you want to solve global scaring! Because if we keep funding all the bullshit programs, eventually you can show those redneck bastards who voted Bush just how great you all are. See, cause capitalism sucks. No one should EVER fail. It's hurts their precious feelings!
 
Canna Sylvan said:
think those who "aren't given a chance" should be.
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You think they should not be given a chance to escape wage slavery, usury and the rat race. You think all human beings belong in a rat race. Our corporate masters are your chosen leaders now. I remember when you used to talk about technocratic socialism, now you've got Ayn Rand's cock in your mouth.

You're the whiniest liberal here. You're even whinier and more liberal than Mr Neutered.
 
Single-payer health and education would be wonderful and yes I would pay more in taxes for them if we had a working government, but our government is corrupt to the core by both parties so neither system would work.

Currently the only people who get free college are those who receive scholarships, illegal immigrants and recent legal immigrants who are from specific regions.

As for scholarships there are many types, Merit(those that actually deserve them because they excel in intelligence), Career(certain fields ie-medical/tech will issue them randomly but accordingly similarly to merit), Need Based is about the only other type I support, it gives those in poverty who show above average intelligence(not race related) an opportunity to go to college. The last I will mention of about the 6-7 types left are called Student scholarships, these are the ones awarded strictly based on race and/or religion, I do not support those.

Illegal immigrants can not only receive discounted tuition but free tuition along with social welfare and other services.

Legal immigrants, from nations who militarily supported US in times of war(Laos, Cambodia, Korea, Philippine ect.) receive the most outrageous aid in many cases, while others receive none. The exact requirements I do not know but I've known a few, one from San Fransisco and another from Boise who received this aid of this type and it added up to many tens of thousands of dollars a year.

So many people, including here now, can yell all they want about the US having free college but for most it just isn't true, it's a very small minority that receive any aid but programs for this type of aid are growing. That as*hole Cuomo in NY is passing new aid for both illegals and legal immigrants in order to make some message in preparation for the dream act he thinks will fully pass federally.

So to answer your original question, with this current government NO I would not want to pay MORE TAXES to send mostly immigrants and minorities to college when myself and most in my family had to pay "out of pocket" for it. My aunt and my sis are the only people in my family of about 50 people that received college scholarships and both theirs were merit scholarships.
 
fb360 said:
No. See, we don't want govt meddling in our lives. That's what an anarchist is.

You are the opposite.
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You only have a problem with gov't when it concerns itself with the interests of the poor.

Gov't exists to protect private property (wealth redistribution upward). You're cool with that.

Once gov't starts redistributing wealth in the other direction, you whine about it.
 
abandonconflict said:
You think they should not be given a chance to escape wage slavery, usury and the rat race. You think all human beings belong in a rat race. Our corporate masters are your chosen leaders now. I remember when you used to talk about technocratic socialism, now you've got Ayn Rand's cock in your mouth.

You're the whiniest liberal here. You're even whinier and more liberal than Mr Neutered.
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You're too funny!
 
abandonconflict said:
You only have a problem with gov't when it concerns itself with the interests of the poor.

Gov't exists to protect private property (wealth redistribution upward). You're cool with that.

Once gov't starts redistributing wealth in the other direction, you whine about it.
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Another INCORRECT, FALLACIOUS statement.

You must love facials buddy.
 
fb360 said:
No. I've already paid for my bachelors and masters OUT OF POCKET. I didn't even have a scholarship due to the fact I moved my junior year from NY to AZ and the testing standards are 100% different.

I'm against paying peoples tuition, and not because I didn't receive any, but because I went to school as an MSE and watched Asians fresh off the boat from India come over on FULLY PAID school visas and get our education, and then go RIGHT back to India. I talk to many of them, and they all say the same thing, and that is that they are there for schooling and then are bringing their education back home.

Should YOU and I pay for that? Fuck no. Moreover, it is a major reason why our science is SO shitty; because we allocate our funding to individuals who are OUT OF COUNTRY... instead of investing IN HOUSE
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Okay, good, I just wanted to make sure that you weren't one of those who bitched about a service they were receiving. I wasn't meaning to imply that just because you didn't pay for school, you would oppose free school; that would be a misdirection on my part. Regarding your statement about opposing educations that we pay for that immediately leave the country; I agree. The fact that some people abuse the system seems to be more of a call for refinement than a call for dismissal, though. I'm sure we can all agree that not everyone in America has truly equal opportunities; and you stated that not everyone is equally qualified. If we could create a means wherein people without the ability to pay for their own education could pay for their education, provided it was a needed occupation, would you be opposed to helping them out? Assuming placement testing to ensure that the people were, at least, academically qualified.
 
You also never addressed this, that I saw.
fb360 said:
That's even more moronic...

So you get to go to college free, but are in debt in terms of community service to the govt. What happens when retards become surgeons? Yeah, makes total sense. Or, get this, you could pay for YOUR education, and use it to have success in YOUR life!
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kpmarine said:
I did 4 years of community service, in the form of active military service, and got free schooling and paid the whole time. The GI bill is an exchange of school for military service. All the medical professionals I encountered were there because the military pays their medical professionals' way through school. We have had examples of the "community service for free tuition." concept for some time now. http://nhsc.hrsa.gov/loanrepayment/ The only way you get dumber surgeons, realistically, is by lowering academic requirements. More students overall=dumber grads in a specific field; is not a supportable statement.
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How turned around can you get? Govt are organized against organized crime. Against Warlord. When in 746 AD, Charlmain kicked all the asses, including Islamic, then he got to create a govt, a kingdom for the Franks. The first one in 500 years.

When we got tired of the payola scam of the British Crown, we had a tea party. And we don't have govt, in the usual sense. We have self rule.
 
kpmarine said:
Okay, good, I just wanted to make sure that you weren't one of those who bitched about a service they were receiving. I wasn't meaning to imply that just because you didn't pay for school, you would oppose free school; that would be a misdirection on my part. Regarding your statement about opposing educations that we pay for that immediately leave the country; I agree. The fact that some people abuse the system seems to be more of a call for refinement than a call for dismissal, though. I'm sure we can all agree that not everyone in America has truly equal opportunities; and you stated that not everyone is equally qualified. If we could create a means wherein people without the ability to pay for their own education could pay for their education, provided it was a needed occupation, would you be opposed to helping them out? Assuming placement testing to ensure that the people were, at least, academically qualified.
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No i wouldn't have a problem.

In a society of hard-working individuals with integrity, I would have no problem educating everyone. It would be a great investment, and I'm all for progressing our species intelligence. However, at the moment, that statement I previous made is associated with Utopia. If we had the same attitude as 70 years ago when everyone and there grandma was working to help support the war, I would be fine educating our population; we need to, severely. The problem being, we can't have taxes involved to pay for that atm.

"If we could create a means wherein people without the ability to pay for their own education could pay for their education, provided it was a needed occupation, would you be opposed to helping them out? Assuming placement testing to ensure that the people were, at least, academically qualified."
If we could get our shit together, this could viable for everyone, not just individuals who can't currently pay. The problem is, currently we already have clear evidence that in these hard times, people have no problem abusing govt subsidized programs, milking them for all they can. Furthermore, as already mentioned, I see people taking advantage of free education, and then moving that knowledge to another part of the world. If you get a free education here, you should be contracted to stay and use that knowledge here, for some amount of time. And that amount of time better be at least the amount it took to receive the degree.

At your other post:
I don't really have a problem with individuals receiving paid for educating, if they put in work in return. You of all people would know that you didn't get "free" schooling, and most likely, your service was not a walk in the park. I do have a slight problem with individuals signing up for the military as a last resort to take advantage of those programs, and then putting in the least amount of work possible. (I know individuals who are proud to be receiving a govt monthly pay check for just passing a 6mo boot camp, and being in the reserve, doing essentially nothing since boot camp ceased).

Lastly, I only said we would get dumber professions if we let EVERYONE succeed, consequently not WASTING money on failures. That obviously would never be the case or we could have some hoodrat at a neurosurgeon table, and that would be some messed up shit. Abandon just tried to interject that statement everywhere as I believe it would happen. On the contrary, I believe "free" education would result in a ton of wasted $$$, not a dumbing of society, which is exactly why I'm opposed.
 
Were borrowing 50 cents on the dollar now and there
are actually people stupid enough to want to spend more. '
Its truly amazing natural selection didn't faze
out the ancestors of these idiots a long time ago.
 
thecoolman said:
Were borrowing 50 cents on the dollar now and there
are actually people stupid enough to want to spend more. '
Its truly amazing natural selection didn't faze
out the ancestors of these idiots a long time ago.
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Involving money makes for unnatural selection. cn
 
Those college-graduate wanna-bees need good paying jobs if they're gonna replenish the SS funds that were spent on scholarships so I can retire
 
Gosh, the keystrokes for, not equal. Impressive.

Supernatural is natural, superbly. (if there is a such thing)
 
thecoolman said:
Were borrowing 50 cents on the dollar now and there
are actually people stupid enough to want to spend more. '
Its truly amazing natural selection didn't faze
out the ancestors of these idiots a long time ago.
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Stop blowing places up and spend it on education instead.

You'll even save money.
 
Shit if gov paid for college and forced colleges to take normal prices for books, it would be half as much :)

But yea any tom dick and harry shouldn't be fucking up the class for hard working people (I'm in school now at 29...).

I skipped my JR and SR year in high school and went to a state college instead and was a total dipshit looking back on it, being 16 in college, scheduled my classes to start at noon, was immature and stoned off my ass(still got good grades lol) but I remember people yelling at me and the other youngsters about how we weren't even taking it seriously and they were paying tons of money to be there.

At the time I got B's in beginning and advance visual C++ back in 2000-2001 and if I would have stuck with it I'd be fucking rich. At the time though I didn't know of any visual libraries and the internet wasn't what it is now, so I didn't really see much in the console applications we were writing. The teacher was showing us a touch screen program he made and we were like, "Who the fuck has touch screen other than businesses..." Another teacher had a husband who was a fortune 500 executive and she told us to buy stock in "wireless technology" back then....mother fuck.
 
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