yield?

nicksol86

Well-Known Member
I'm thinking 2 600 watts in my 10 by 12 by 7.5 for 12 plants. I'm going to try 1 hydro just to see if I can do it I guess. 11 soil? Is that sufficient lighting for 12 or shud i say fuck it and go with 2 1000 watts? I can grow up to 12 so it wud be stupid to spend 4 grand on 4 plants only in a 5 by 5 tent like u guys pretty much said.
 

GrowUrOwnDank

Well-Known Member
DWC isn't that complicated but if you fuck up, your plants will most likely die. The major problem I see most folk do with hydro is not worry about water temps. If you can keep water temps at 65-68 and stay on top of your game then I'd go with DWC all the way, especially if you really do have buddies that are able and willing to help.
I agree to a certain extent. The difference between hempY and DWC/Drip is that you gotta stay on top of PH in DWC. Every day Ya gotta test it and add stuff to get it back in the range. Then check it and add again til Ya get it right. You get used to it and it's not that time consuming but in the hempy you really only have to check it going in when Ya feed and check the run off. It's just so easy and your using the same nutes only less and saving $$$.

Most of the DWC probs I see on RIU are noobs who DIY with storage containers covered with cardboard, duck tape and all that other crap. I bought a powergrower single unit and it really is easy if you follow directions. Me being a bit on the conservative and mixing 25% or so and working my way up. Other than the daily hassle of jacking with PH DWC worked fine.

I would say if OP wants to go DWC/Drip get a good PROFESSIONALLY MADE multi unit set up with a reservoir. Still gonna have to PH every day and you WILL USE A HELLUVA LOT MORE NUTES IN THAT SYSTEM AS OPPOSED TO HEMPY. And if you like jacking your grow every day YOULL LOVE DWC. Note I never had water temp problems in DWC because I got central heat and air and use LED with good ventilation so my shit didn't get hot. Just PH right and use a good 3 part nute. Not that crazy 7 to 11 part stuff on your first grow.

Just saying.
 

Carolina Dream'n

Well-Known Member
I'm thinking 2 600 watts in my 10 by 12 by 7.5 for 12 plants. I'm going to try 1 hydro just to see if I can do it I guess. 11 soil? Is that sufficient lighting for 12 or shud i say fuck it and go with 2 1000 watts? I can grow up to 12 so it wud be stupid to spend 4 grand on 4 plants only in a 5 by 5 tent like u guys pretty much said.
Are you gonna want one large crop ever 2 months or a smaller crop ever month?
 

Terry385

Well-Known Member
I'm thinking 2 600 watts in my 10 by 12 by 7.5 for 12 plants. I'm going to try 1 hydro just to see if I can do it I guess. 11 soil? Is that sufficient lighting for 12 or shud i say fuck it and go with 2 1000 watts? I can grow up to 12 so it wud be stupid to spend 4 grand on 4 plants only in a 5 by 5 tent like u guys pretty much said.
that what i do one dwc to learn ( brown roots suck ) and 11 in soil less
 

Carolina Dream'n

Well-Known Member
I'm thinking 2 600 watts in my 10 by 12 by 7.5 for 12 plants. I'm going to try 1 hydro just to see if I can do it I guess. 11 soil? Is that sufficient lighting for 12 or shud i say fuck it and go with 2 1000 watts? I can grow up to 12 so it wud be stupid to spend 4 grand on 4 plants only in a 5 by 5 tent like u guys pretty much said.
That plant in hydro gonna be atleast double the size of those soil plants with the same veg time. Don't see that working out to well.
 

nicksol86

Well-Known Member
I don't have the room in my house to do sea of green if that's what tour leaning at carolina. I have one dedicated room start to finish. I want bigger larger yields. My buddy wants to teach me scrogging cuz it works best for him. He's got a veg room and 2 flower rooms and been doing it for years. I trust him 100 percent. Hi buds better than any of my other friends and hate to say it to all you AN haters. But he uses ph perfect advanced nutrients. My buddy's general hydro is weak in ebb n flow compared to my buddy's AN room. I dunno. Another buddy mixes different lines together and comes out with good shit though.
 

Carolina Dream'n

Well-Known Member
I don't have the room in my house to do sea of green if that's what tour leaning at carolina. I have one dedicated room start to finish. I want bigger larger yields. My buddy wants to teach me scrogging cuz it works best for him. He's got a veg room and 2 flower rooms and been doing it for years. I trust him 100 percent. Hi buds better than any of my other friends and hate to say it to all you AN haters. But he uses ph perfect advanced nutrients. My buddy's general hydro is weak in ebb n flow compared to my buddy's AN room. I dunno. Another buddy mixes different lines together and comes out with good shit though.
Was more thinking if a perputaul harvest.

Section off a 5x10 area for flower. 2 1000s. 2 4 site undercurrents. Harvest one system every 4 weeks. 12k btu mini split ac for cooling. 60 pint dehumidifier.
Section off a 4x4 area for veg. One 4 site undercurrent under a 600watt mh. SCROG the fuck out of them for 4 weeks. Take clones from your plants in veg before flipped into flower. Cool with 5k window banger or dual hose portable. 40 pint dehumidifer.
One 3x3 area for drying.
 

nicksol86

Well-Known Member
Ok I guess soil is diff. Too tho. What if I keep her short by topping. And I got access to lots of different strains. I'm buying clones. Seeds take months to get here and all my buddies ordered there seeds which I'm getting the clones from. Good genetics and lots of diff strains.
 

Carolina Dream'n

Well-Known Member
The wattage of lights really needs to correlate with how much money you can afford on your power bill. One 600 watt cost $25 a month for flowering, just for the bulb, no fans, ac, water pumps.
 

RM3

Well-Known Member
I don't have the room in my house to do sea of green if that's what tour leaning at carolina. I have one dedicated room start to finish. I want bigger larger yields. My buddy wants to teach me scrogging cuz it works best for him. He's got a veg room and 2 flower rooms and been doing it for years. I trust him 100 percent. Hi buds better than any of my other friends and hate to say it to all you AN haters. But he uses ph perfect advanced nutrients. My buddy's general hydro is weak in ebb n flow compared to my buddy's AN room. I dunno. Another buddy mixes different lines together and comes out with good shit though.
I don't hate AN and there is no doubt it works and Big Mike is a marketing guru no doubt. And I actually don't hate, I dislike the notion that they are so high priced. I mean I understand that a Cadillac cost more than a Chevy even though they are both cars and even then the mark up is more about ego than luxury LOL but nutes are nutes and AN puts things in theirs that are not on the label. The nutes I use cost $28 for 25 lbs that is a 5 year supply in my garden and they work just the same. MJ is not a special mystical plant that requires special nutes, it is just a plant and has the same requirements that all plants do
 

BAMS

Well-Known Member
Ok well I been asking for advice from u guys. I was told to use a 5 by 5 tent for 1000 watt. Shud i just use my whole 12 by 10 bedroom instead of wasting money on a tent? And I did read 600s were better. Then ppl using 1000s said no way in hell 600s pull as much weight as 1000s. So I'm confused cuz ppl on this site keep steering me wrong then? I don't know what the fuck to do now. And ill listen to you guys. I don't wanna waste my money. You guys know better than me. I'll try soil first. Steer me in the right direction. What kind of lights shud i set up my 10 by 12 room? Two 600s? Help. I'll listen if you help me. I've seen ppl fail too and don't wanna be that guy after talking so much shit. Lol. The only reason I wanted to do dwc was cuz of pests are less likely and bigger yields and faster growth. But if you wanna steer me away from that I'll listen like I said. What size pots shud i use? I can grow up to 12 plants. Cud I grow 12 soil under 2 600s?
no body has said that 1000 watts don't bring on bigger yields, but to get the benefits from a 1000 watt set up you will need to start looking into CO2 dosing. What you read about all the light wattages is that the 600 watt tends to be the most efficient, best Lumens of light per watt (there is roughly about 10 lumen per watt difference, so not that major but still....). As far as what and how much light you need for the size of area you are growing isn't a definate answer, you will see people claiming that 600 watt is max 4'x4' area and others say 5'x5' area and 1000 watt is max 8'x8' area and others say 9'x9' but there are other factors to consider as well, such as safe allowable distance of light from the canopy due to heat, the use of cooling hoods vs non-cooling hoods, even some ballast and globes change these numbers just as light set ups like the Gavita 600 and 1000 systems, which you have to keep further away from your canopy than normal HPS. Other factors would be what reflective material are you using if any at all.

To be safe I would use the 5x5 tent, but only put a 600watt in there, after a few grows you will see your yields increase as you start to get your plant management more in tune. With some strains on a 5x5 scrog in DWC I can pull a 1.5 pound under one 600 watt light....again this is strain dependent and also takes a lot of training and using multiple techniques to the plant to get to that stage. I just tell you this to let you know it is possible, but don't think its going to happen on your first grow. I recommend staying with the tent because it gives you a rather decent reflective barrier to grab all the lights potential and least likely chance to disturb the plants when they are in flower and its lights out for the plant. Down side to the tent is that it traps the heat and humidity like a bitch from the light so you will need good air exchange and extraction,
 

nicksol86

Well-Known Member
Ok well in switching to soilless i think. 2 600 watt conversions. Mh to hps. 12 plants. 8 by 5 room. But if I'm using soilless I was suggested at least 5 gallon pots. Will 5 gallon buckets work or is it supposed to drain?
 

nicksol86

Well-Known Member
Thanks. Looking into soilless mixes. Roots organic soilless cocofiber. Good or no? Is this meant strictly for organic growing or can you use any nutes?
 

BAMS

Well-Known Member
sorry thought of something else I should have mentioned earlier.......your battle between 600 watt and 1000 watt, not sure if you are aware that these ballast actually run more watts then what the label says, roughly about 10% more. So a 1000 watt runs about 1100 watts, and a 600 runs about 660 watts. So with the 600 watt running more efficiently on Lumens per watt, and running two 600 watts is roughly 220 watts more than running one 1000 watt, you get a better light footprint that can easily stretch across a 5x8 area
 
Top