your thoughts on today's court case(federal)

Lawyer just says "while there will be some who like to grow, common sense dictates that most people prefer to buy medicine in proper stores"
 
i have grown for a long time and yield for good meds is low and if nobody can afford to grow it except patients due to costs of growing the judge has nailed it. grow organically and make edibles or juice it and this becomes really obvious. i have seen 1 lb take 3 large ziploc bags so how could any company provide it for peanuts with all the labour, power facility security that is needed. then shipping and much more.
 
Is this layer on crack if we wanted to buy our meds from stores why would he even be in court fighting against patients that want to produce there medicine for themselves. Go John Go
 
Three simple changes to existing system would address all of the government concerns. 1 - Actually require a safety inspection at the cost of the producer by existing building inspectors. 2 - Change the number of plants license to a square footage or wattage limit. 3 - Producers required to notify and register with the RCMP who would have the right for random inspections.
 
jessica d said:
i have grown for a long time and yield for good meds is low and if nobody can afford to grow it except patients due to costs of growing the judge has nailed it. grow organically and make edibles or juice it and this becomes really obvious. i have seen 1 lb take 3 large ziploc bags so how could any company provide it for peanuts with all the labour, power facility security that is needed. then shipping and much more.
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A lot of it can be automated. But there's no way really to compete with lovingly hand trimmed homegrown. Never handled etc. It's just not physically realistic. That said, costs are inflated due to prohibition. A lot. Even good quality should be cheaper than it is currently in a real open market (currently about 1k a lb).
 
Bit of discussion about timing of possible trial(not injunction) then Judge moves on to hear from Conroy team follow to government arguments
 
One step at a time everyone, this is merely an injection motion. The trial itself will have constitutional arguments that will (IMO) determine the likelihood of the MMPR being repealed or not. So far it looks like the injunction may be granted, but the future of Medical Marijuana rests on the constitution and a Judge's interpretation/application of it towards Med Marj. More than likely it will end up going to the Supreme Court of Canada after the SCC agrees to hear the case. Looking at 2 years minimum (not to mention going through the BC Court of Appeal)
 
i am excited:for:judges to hammer health canada for not following there rulings. they think they can do what they like well nobody is above judges.
 
BigBhuda said:
Three simple changes to existing system would address all of the government concerns. 1 - Actually require a safety inspection at the cost of the producer by existing building inspectors. 2 - Change the number of plants license to a square footage or wattage limit. 3 - Producers required to notify and register with the RCMP who would have the right for random inspections.
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I have no interest in this "compromise".

I don't even like the existing program.
 
hey whatfg....too bad Conroy didn't respond to you regarding LPs lack of responding regarding growing unique strains...the judge asked about this specifically. It would have been nice to tell the judge the results of the inquiries.
Almost sounds like I know what I'm talking about....har har har
 
I was thinking the same thing. I suspect he probably already knows the outcome of the question. Turmel kind of touched on it as well. When does he go to court? Have you heard any more about his fight?
 
"We submit that if the motion (for an injunction) is dismissed, it would give the new commercial marijuana market a chance to get off the ground," said Brongers.

Let us protect the Canadian Cannabis oligopoly and big business over the patients. Our partners have followed us blindly into this industry after we painted a pretty picture for them. It is easier to fight and deny the rights of the sick than it is to face the Canadian cannabis oligopoly and inform them that we lied to them and they do not have an absolute price fixed market.

After following today's trial it seems like the judge does not believe another banking, telecommunications and oil type oligopoly will best serve our country. Health Canada will win sometime, just not today. Arrogance bit them in the ass today. Or wishful thinking and seeing what I want to see is giving me false hope.

Stay safe and pain free.
 
There were a few lines that the judge used today that may foreshadow the judges decision:

1. It was a serious issue
2. Saw little evidence that not for profit producers will motivated to produce a wide variety
3. Questioned the defense numerous times about why no witnesses were cross examined and why there were no inspections

Overall from a legal opinion I believe Conroy presented a much stronger case for the injunction but I wouldn't be surprised if there were additional restrictions or recommendations brought forward because of the information presented today.

This indeed was a big blow to licensed producers who if I was one would be definitely worried about the future of their business. Once this information hits the main press I believe that will push a lot of the "new" patients away from this type of medication.
 
Did anybody else find it hilarious the government lawyer kept saying "fledgling commercial system"? Like they already know this new system is crap and nobody wants it. The government case was pretty laughable, my favorite part was when they said "some people will benefit from growing their own, but common sense dictates most will want to buy it from a store". Yeah ok except there isn't going to be "stores" under the MMPR. It's pretty obvious this is nothing but a money grab and has nothing to do with patient care or quality of life, I think the judge has seen that today. All the LPs and HC are probably shitting their pants now.
 
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