ted cruz slams oboma on stance on legalized marijuana in two states.

UncleBuck

UncleBuck

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Kanaplya said:
If you're gonna give the credit for killing bin laden to the president, how about every time someone is killed as a result of a fuck-up we credit that to him too? The day I landed in Afghanistan, 8 American operators were killed by a miscalculated bomb dropped on their location - I did not see an article anywhere saying Bush kills 8 Americans today...
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ChesusRice

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Antidisestablishmentarian said:
In my view, if he compromised, he didn't keep. So 239 kept, 269 not kept by those standards.

Example using hypotheticals: if Obama said he would remove the laws against cannabis, then compromises with the republicans and we get cheesus' idea, that's not really keeping his promise as there will be laws against the sale of cannabis.

~50% isn't too bad in my eyes though. I wonder if they did past presidents as well. Keep score. For all we know, Barry could be the one with most promises kept.
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If Obama supported Air you would suffocate
 
UncleBuck

UncleBuck

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echelon1k1 said:
Would you look at that, just look at it...
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yeah, it appears to be me mocking you because you said you were in on the plot to get bin laden.

i'm sure you were in on the plot to get bin laden, armchair patton.

that's something that someone with a lot of PTSD and a very, very small penis would do.
 
canndo

canndo

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Antidisestablishmentarian said:
In my view, if he compromised, he didn't keep. So 239 kept, 269 not kept by those standards.

Example using hypotheticals: if Obama said he would remove the laws against cannabis, then compromises with the republicans and we get cheesus' idea, that's not really keeping his promise as there will be laws against the sale of cannabis.

~50% isn't too bad in my eyes though. I wonder if they did past presidents as well. Keep score. For all we know, Barry could be the one with most promises kept.
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You don't seem to understand how government in the United States is supposed to work, compromise does not mean broken, it means that everybody gets a little of what they want. I'll give you this, if you give me that. One of the reason this government is so ineffective is the absolute lack of compromise.

You can check on most of the more recent presidents if you look - I believe he may hold a modern record for most campaign promises kept. You may not like his actions, or promises but that isn't what this converssation is about.
 
canndo

canndo

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Kanaplya said:
If you're gonna give the credit for killing bin laden to the president, how about every time someone is killed as a result of a fuck-up we credit that to him too? The day I landed in Afghanistan, 8 American operators were killed by a miscalculated bomb dropped on their location - I did not see an article anywhere saying Bush kills 8 Americans today...
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So you are saying that bin laden's capture and or death was also "miscalculated" then?
 
echelon1k1

echelon1k1

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Kanaplya said:
If you're gonna give the credit for killing bin laden to the president, how about every time someone is killed as a result of a fuck-up we credit that to him too? The day I landed in Afghanistan, 8 American operators were killed by a miscalculated bomb dropped on their location - I did not see an article anywhere saying Bush kills 8 Americans today...
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Biggest threat to Australian troops on the ground in Afghanistan, wasn't the insurgency. It was American pilots.
 
Kanaplya

Kanaplya

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canndo said:
So you are saying that bin laden's capture and or death was also "miscalculated" then?
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No. Do I really need to spell it out? If we are going to give presidents personal credit for every success under them then we must personally credit them with every failure.
 
ginwilly

ginwilly

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canndo said:
You don't seem to understand how government in the United States is supposed to work, compromise does not mean broken, it means that everybody gets a little of what they want. I'll give you this, if you give me that. One of the reason this government is so ineffective is the absolute lack of compromise.

You can check on most of the more recent presidents if you look - I believe he may hold a modern record for most campaign promises kept. You may not like his actions, or promises but that isn't what this converssation is about.
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This congress has passed an historically low amount of bills but when one of them is the "Freedom to Fish Act" I think they are still passing too many.

I don't think we need a bunch of new laws, we need to UNDO a bunch of old ones.

Obama also broke a record for most campaign promises period. How does his percentage stack up? I ask because I don't know, not because I'm trying to prove anything, he may have the record there too as far as I know.
 
echelon1k1

echelon1k1

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canndo said:
So you are saying that bin laden's capture and or death was also "miscalculated" then?
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Obama wanted to bomb the compound. That way anything goes wrong, he can blame someone - that's unfortunately not the case with a ground assault.

Obama has showed he is capable of taking good advice - Maersk Alabama incident, UBL raid - not so with benghazi
 
canndo

canndo

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Kanaplya said:
No. Do I really need to spell it out? If we are going to give presidents personal credit for every success under them then we must personally credit them with every failure.
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If I recall, Mr. Carter took the hit for the hostage failure, is that enough for you? As I said, there is a difference between an ACCIDENT and a poorly constructed or concieved intentional enterprise.
 
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