Obama says Weed is no more harmful than Alchohol
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I'm going to disagree with your line that Obama is not enforcing the law.
He may have slowed down a bit, but behind the scenes his Justice Department is working in covert and tactical ways.
I know of clubs up here in N Cal where the feds drafted letters to the landlords of cannabis clubs threatening to seize their property if they continue to lease or rent to the club owner, club closed!
Maybe it's not technically a raid but big fucking deal, it's still the federal government flexing their muscles and enforcing the nlaw.
ChesusRice
Well-Known Member
SO
You are for the President enforcing the law?
Thundercat
Well-Known Member
NO he is for the removal of the law CR, not the enforcement or ignoring of it.
racerboy71
bud bootlegger
Omfg, I just wanna know what's going to happen when Obama isn't the one who decides to enforce the law or not..
Why not simply change the law .. that's doing something imvho.. sitting on the fence and not doing anything only works as long as you got the same guy sitting on a fence not doing anything..
The laws the same, I'm not too excited about hoping the next person also sits on the fence and does nothing..
theirondude
New Member
actually, full scale legalization would put an end to prohibition el-pronto.... you really are stupid, aren't you!
racerboy71
bud bootlegger
Hey, someone gets it.. holy shit, thought I was losing it, lol..
ChesusRice
Well-Known Member
Yeah that worked out real well with alchohol and tobacco ...amirite sparky?
Lets see you distill some vodka and try to sell it
There is no need to Obama to Federally legalize it now and suffer political damage. The momentum is already under way at the state level to end prohibition.
Bill Clinton is for legalization
I wonder what his Wifes views are
ChesusRice
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Moses Mobetta
Well-Known Member
hilarious, nice to see old friends here.
Nullis
Moderator
Yes, absolutely, unequivocally open to 'that'. Some forms of cocaine, especially the coca leaf in it's natural state should be legal. Plants should not be against the law. No law should curtail the right of any adult of sound mind to ingest any substance; or for that matter restrict an adults consciousness in any manner.
I almost don't know where to start arguing this asinine notion down. Essentially it sounds a lot like, and do excuse the language but as anybody who has read Huck Finn knows, some folks used to say: "give a nigger an inch, he will take an ell", referring to non-whites and slaves being free or having 'rights' and so fourth. Of course, no one ever should have been forced into slavery and dark skinned peoples always should have had the same rights as white men.
The other part of this is the naivety in thinking that drug usage or availability is or will be eliminated as the result of laws against any drugs. Drugs such as cocaine, heroin, methamphetamine, Ecstasy, etc. will always be more or less in demand. Illicit opioid drugs such as heroin, and pharmaceutical opioid drugs available on the street are physically addictive. Over a million junkies (heroin addicts) in the United States of all different backgrounds gotta get their fix, EVERY DAY. Millions more are addicted to illicitly obtained, over-priced prescription opioids (oxycodone, hydrocodone, hydromorphone, fentanyl) and millions more still use them now and again.
Even while cocaine usage has declined quite a bit, according to statistics, there were still just under a million frequent and about 1.5 million casual/regular cocaine users. Then again, more people seem to be using methamphetamine instead, or even entirely new, largely untested experimental drugs- so called "bath salts".
This is what happens when you have a market for something illegal, especially with a fairly large and persistent consumer base. The product is still available, the price is inflated, the quality is more often than not suspect and in order to obtain it you've gotta go through folks you probably wouldn't normally associate with, who could potentially rob or kill you. Just as during the early Prohibition of alcohol, and how can they deny?
Their primary hang up to providing us with all of our rights to our adult bodies always seems to be "the children", and are all these politicians seriously such numbskulls? Be it cannabis, alcohol, cigarettes, heroin, etc. black market dealers do not generally check ID. Illegal drugs are frequently in the hands of juveniles, even commonly sold by them. You are providing very often unscrupulous individuals with an easy means to profit, from the crack dealer/pimp on the corner to menacing leaders of criminal and overtly terrorist organizations. Furthermore, these days somewhat more intelligent (perhaps), but still very unscrupulous individuals are being more innovative- coming out with novel compounds produced in the laboratory, sometimes initially synthesized in the past merely for research purposes: but which in some way mimic an illicit substance or are otherwise psychoactive. These substances, such as the "bath salts" are much more dangerous than the more commonly known and widely used substances of the past 70+ years (including LSD, MDMA).
Aside from this, I do not believe that use of other drugs such as cocaine, heroin, or MDMA would increase significantly or long-term should they become decriminalized or legalized to any extent. Those who really want to use what they want to use, or try what they want to try, are most likely going to be able to. When you "control" drugs in such a manner and place as the United States, you really take away to ability of government to actually control what drugs are available. You totally take away any ability to regulate the quality of the product, how much is sold, or even to who (children included).
At any rate I think there is another solution, besides the CSA, which I believe could be elucidated and worked out in more detail to satisfy our health and safety as well as personal liberty and responsibility. I do not believe in this "oh the children" government knows what is best for me bullshit cop out.
Thundercat
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Oh I'm dealing just fine
. What I don't understand is why you think the elections this year have anything to do with Obamas actions. HE CAN NOT BE RE ELECTED...... However imho he is just passing the buck on to the next person that get elected. He's gonna let them take the negative for enforcing the existing law if they choose to.
Arguing that you have a right to use mj means that you also have a right to use heroin and cocaine.
If you are not for legal cocaine, meth, or heroin then you should not use the argument that you have a right to it.
Instead, the social harm/benefit argument is the clear path to victory. Point out that it is less harmful than all the other current illegal drugs (except for mushrooms) and even less harmful than alcohol, cigarettes, and maybe coffee.
Point out the economic benefit that could come from it. Both for recreational and industrial use.
Meth, heroin, cocaine and other illegal drugs (except maybe mushrooms) cannot survive this same "test."
If you are not for legal cocaine, meth, or heroin then you should not use the argument that you have a right to it.
Instead, the social harm/benefit argument is the clear path to victory. Point out that it is less harmful than all the other current illegal drugs (except for mushrooms) and even less harmful than alcohol, cigarettes, and maybe coffee.
Point out the economic benefit that could come from it. Both for recreational and industrial use.
Meth, heroin, cocaine and other illegal drugs (except maybe mushrooms) cannot survive this same "test."
ChesusRice
Well-Known Member
Wow. Such a negative reaction from the weed community over beneficial statement from the president on the legality of marijuana. No wonder a lot of people think stoners are stupid
It's because it is harmful to the whole of our nation. Having a president who refuses to enforce one law is but a step from having a president who refuses to enforce more important laws, which is but a step from having a president who creates his own law.
All are harmful to the rule of law concept.
racerboy71
bud bootlegger
that's because it's just a statement, lip service if you will, if the law is the same, the law is the same... just because this one president at this one small point in time, decides to not uphold the laws, what happens when he's no longer president?
Didn't you one time say that you had a major problem with people changing quotes, even when they highlighted the change?
Do as I say, not as I do, eh?
Typical leftists.
nope..........
cannabineer
Ursus marijanus
I hate it when my jays start walking. i want to find them where i laid them down.