12/12 from seed - The beginnings of spek's perpetual grow

[Cannanonymous]

That is exactly what my lowball expectation is, 2 zips per every three weeks.

My exact schedule is following. Note that I've only got 8 harvests shown, but will continue the cycle forever if I like it I don't smoke or vape, my girlfriend does though daily, so 2-3 oz every 21 days is well beyond what I need. I cook 90% of what I harvest.

2013-08-21: Cut clones
2013-09-06: Put clones into flower
2013-09-11: Cut clones
2013-09-27: Put clones into flower
2013-10-02: Cut clones
2013-10-18: Put clones into flower
2013-10-23: Cut clones
2013-11-08: HARVEST!!
2013-11-08: Put clones into flower
2013-11-13: Cut clones
2013-11-29: HARVEST!!
2013-11-29: Put clones into flower
2013-12-04: Cut clones
2013-12-20: HARVEST!!
2013-12-20: Put clones into flower
2013-12-25: Cut clones
2014-01-10: HARVEST!!
2014-01-10: Put clones into flower
2014-01-15: Cut clones
2014-01-31: HARVEST!!
2014-01-31: Put clones into flower
2014-02-21: HARVEST!!
2014-03-14: HARVEST!!
2014-04-04: HARVEST!!

-spek

Hi spek, if you are going to be using seeds what would be that schedule like? Subbed!

 

[spek9]

Hi spek, if you are going to be using seeds what would be that schedule like? Subbed!

I would probably germ the seeds 18 days prior to moving to flower tent, so I'd probably make earlier by two days the germination of seed. So germ takes ~2 days, then they'd have another 16 days to start in soil before going to flower.

However, that's a ton of seeds being used very quickly, so I wouldn't really recommend it. Also, with clones, you are 100% guaranteed female plants.

-spek

 

[spek9]

Put my 2nd of 3 first-phase batch into the tent two days ago, 21 days after the first (8th Nov). Here's how the plants look the day they go into flower, and the ones to the right I put in the 8th, they were the same size as the new ones three weeks ago. Three more weeks and I'll harvest my existing plants and put in 8 more, and my perpetual will be in full bloom.

(in the new rack in the pic, two top plants are Chemdawg, the other 6 are Jack Herer).



-spek

ps. The reason the new ones look as tall as the ones from three weeks ago is because that rack is on top of a second one, making them ~6" higher (closer to the light).

-spek

 

[spek9]

Bit of an update. These were taken after my 11 day trip, in which my automation had full control. They look pretty good, huh?



I've washed out my drip reservoirs, and the plants with droopy leaves are now full of vigor as of tonight.

Also, I don't feel like taking pics, but three of my four production moms came right back to life. Tomorrow I have some plucking to do, but throughout the unmanaged 11 day vacancy, I only lost one plant (a Jack Herer Mom, which was just newly planted anyways).

In the pics, the plants to the left are due for harvest on Dec 20, and that's when my next batch of 8 goes in. On that day, it'll mark all three phases of my 3 week perpetual complete and in full cycle.

-spek

 

[spek9]

Harvest day for spek today!!

It's a day early, but because of my recent trip, harvesting and planting on the 20th as per my schedule isn't feasible. I have a lot of mom cleanup to do, so I thought I'd chop a day early and get it done.

There's a few newbs lately who are wondering how to chop, so even though my apartment is dark in the evening once flower lights-on time starts, I'll do my best with some pics.

...40 mins to go!!! (I fuckin' love cutting).

-spek

 

[cdnbudder]

right on spek! enjoy the trim session...I personally find the novelty wears off pretty quick, but hey different strokes for different folks! Congrats on the succesfull 11 day trip, good job on keeping everything alive.

 

[MedicatedGrow]

I plan on doing a 12/12 from seed grow for one plant.

Did you find any issues starting from 12/12? I honestly never even considered it till now since I have a pot that is ready to go and got a new tent with only 1 plant and the tent is GIANT so figure I start something in there.

 

[spek9]

I have 8 plants like this to harvest tonight, and I do so every three weeks.

This one is a Jack Herer. My JH plants are between 8-12" tall, then I have two Chemdawg plants out of every perpetual 3 week grow that are about 22" tall.

I was going to explain every step beside the pics, but I have seven more plants to chop. so:

- I chop fan leaves off into the garbage bowl
- I chop the sugar leaves that I'm not happy with into the garbage bowl
- I clean off the sugar leaves and bud trimmings (and popcorns, which on this plant there were none) into my 'proposed cooking' bowl
- then I trim tight into my 'proposed cooking' bowl

Normally I don't weigh, but for illustrative purposes for my first plant out of eight, I got one ounce wet. Liberally, let's say I hit 75% dry, that's 1/4 ounce per plant.

A normal, experienced grower would calculate at 80%, so we'll just assume my Chemdawg plants will keep me above that on average for all 8, so I'll end up with 2 oz dry this run, my first in my perpetual.

It's a good fuckin' day.



-spek

ps. Thanks RIU, I would not have been able to make it so far so fast without the feedback of all the wonderful people here. I give you my word I will give back what I've received, and more.

 

[spek9]

A clone-to-flower perpetual job, my Moms in the tub while suffering a mite issue, and a pic of the bud I harvested and have been drying for a couple of days.



-spek

 

[spek9]

A couple of pics from a cheap camera...

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-spek

 

[frizzlegooch]

I enjoyed this!

Your cloners awesome too

 

[Admortis]

Out of curio, what if anything does subjecting the plant to 12/12 throughout the entirety of its life cycle do to it?
Is this not a stressor?
Or does it just not provide optimal growth as a full 24/0 to 18/6 to 12/12 would?
I only ask because I've a recently started seedling vegging for 3 weeks now and with only 1 grow space, she has been on 12/12 since i flipped her sisters * E.G. all but 1 week of her life* and was curious as to weather or not i was stressing her into a potential herm with such an early photo period.

The objective of going straight into 12/12 is to force a physical response that the plant has no control over. Basically, this will only work well for you if you are attempting a Sea of Green (SOG). The plants detect the 12/12 and wants to get ready to bare fruit but the plant knows it is not ready. This will force the plant to go into rapid upward growth for about two weeks. During this two week period you must provide extra nitrogen to aid with the rapid growth. By the end of the two weeks I get 14 to 18 inches of upward growth with no real side branch development. It will produce nodes for side branches and popcorn nugs will develop nicely but they stop growing to focus on the top. Also, by the end of week two you have the female hairs starting and buds are on the way. I have a few post that show the process pretty well. You end up with less yield each harvest, but the harvest are only 8 weeks apart and in the long run you end up with more weed to smoke. This is a typical commercial grow style for rapid production. I like to call them weed pops..lol

 

[Admortis]

Here's a long awaited update. Having problems in the hydroton and perlite buckets, but they are finally coming around. In the meantime, I tried a couple of rounds with soil only. Don't know how this'll pan out in 2L buckets, but I am going immediately to 12/12, so we'll see.

Here's all my planted clones. The ones in perlite and hydroton are the oldest, but they seem to take a while to get used to the new system. There's mostly White Widow and one Jack Herer. They were moved from the cloner on the 16th of last month. The four tallest ones (front and back left) which are in a soil/perlite mix, are White Widow and were taken from the cloner on the 22nd. The ones in soil on the right were put from the cloner on the 29th, and are a mix of Widow, Herer and Chem Dog.

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In the pic below, the two centre clones are the very last from my Widow mom who was getting unhealthy so I chopped her, and were put in the cloner on the 22nd. My mother Jack Herer is the bushy plant, and the Chem Dog is far right. The Herer grows exceptionally bushy and tight, so I try to clean out the middle and loosen her up when I cut from it. The Chem plant looks very sickly, but it grows at a *perfect* rate for me to take two clones every week to two, which is perfect.

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Some roots of the Widow I cut and put in the cloner on the 22nd of last month. The smaller clones were from the 29th, and are all Jack Herer other than two Chem Dog snips.

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-spek

ps. All four of my oldest Widow plants have beautiful pistils, and I expect them to be done stretch very soon. I expect them to be about 22-26" at peak.

Nice work man..what was the yield?

 

[spek9]

The objective of going straight into 12/12 is to force a physical response that the plant has no control over. Basically, this will only work well for you if you are attempting a Sea of Green (SOG). The plants detect the 12/12 and wants to get ready to bare fruit but the plant knows it is not ready. This will force the plant to go into rapid upward growth for about two weeks. During this two week period you must provide extra nitrogen to aid with the rapid growth. By the end of the two weeks I get 14 to 18 inches of upward growth with no real side branch development. It will produce nodes for side branches and popcorn nugs will develop nicely but they stop growing to focus on the top. Also, by the end of week two you have the female hairs starting and buds are on the way. I have a few post that show the process pretty well. You end up with less yield each harvest, but the harvest are only 8 weeks apart and in the long run you end up with more weed to smoke. This is a typical commercial grow style for rapid production. I like to call them weed pops..lol

Thanks a lot for such an awesome piece of information!

-spek

 

[Admortis]

Nice work man..what was the yield?

Also, what is the time frame that clone machine takes from cut to plant?

 

[spek9]

Also, what is the time frame that clone machine takes from cut to plant?

6-9 days minimum. I leave them in for between 9-14 for extra root growth typically.

-spek

 

[Admortis]

6-9 days minimum. I leave them in for between 9-14 for extra root growth typically.

-spek

I am going to have to get me one of those. I cut my clones and dip them and place them in the cubes with floaters attached. I have an air stone going none stop and change the water every other day. take minimum of two weeks, but for them to work well they much have a large root system with well developed side branch roots. can take up to three weeks. I also keep them under a humidity dome, which spikes the humidity up to 92% and they are in a mild nute solution with a hormone additive to make them roots pop..haha

 

[spek9]

I am going to have to get me one of those. I cut my clones and dip them and place them in the cubes with floaters attached. I have an air stone going none stop and change the water every other day. take minimum of two weeks, but for them to work well they much have a large root system with well developed side branch roots. can take up to three weeks. I also keep them under a humidity dome, which spikes the humidity up to 92% and they are in a mild nute solution with a hormone additive to make them roots pop..haha

By far the best small investment I've made. I paid ~$50 for it. No rooting hormone. I fill it with plain tap water, turn it on, and I'm done (no need for pH'ing, as without roots, they can't absorb nutes anyway). Then just drop the clippings in. 95+% success rate, zero maintenance. I typically refresh the water every month or so

-spek

 

[Admortis]

By far the best small investment I've made. I paid ~$50 for it. No rooting hormone. I fill it with plain tap water, turn it on, and I'm done (no need for pH'ing, as without roots, they can't absorb nutes anyway). Then just drop the clippings in. 95+% success rate, zero maintenance. I typically refresh the water every month or so

-spek

Nice, I will have to look into getting me one of those. What is another 50 when I have 2k invested so far.

 

[spek9]

Nice, I will have to look into getting me one of those. What is another 50 when I have 2k invested so far.

That's exactly what I said

-spek