Soil Vs Hydro

[ttystikk]

best way is Soilless....ie sunshine or promix... I don't like coco

People who are new to the growing of the ganja.... should learn in the potter based mediums a lot more forgiving

If you know what you are doing...you can grow 2 oz plants in party cups

Why would I want a two ounce plant when Colorado regulations limit the number of plants I can grow- but not their size?

I tried, but I just can't seem to find anything wrong with growing two pound plants- other than wanting to grow more of them, of course!

 

[Rrog]

Here's what is more efficient about hydroponics in general; chelated, soluble, fully available nutrients in as much water as the plant wants, preferably constantly.

In this scenario, the normal microbial plant relationship is gone. The microbes had a job, and this takes away their job, so they'll die off, go dormant, etc. Other microbes will always come in to fill the void, but they won't have a relationship with the plant. The microbes are just living there.

In and of itself that's fine because the plants are still getting fed, however the microbes also have a dramatic role in the plants immune response.

 

[PetFlora]

I have developed a super simple DIY Mini-Me F& D system on RIU complete with parts pics

Search for link in HYDRO section

As for organic, plants are fully capable of converting inorganic matter to organic. Ever see a plant growing out of a concrete side walk or asphalt road?

All I do is mix dry nutrients (www.hydroponicresearch.com) into RO water. Add to the outboard rez. Once a week I replace nutes with fresh nutes

Pics are of a near dead reveg that I placed in my DIY Mini-Me F & D on 8/9 and today

Do you think this is achievable in soil?

 

[skunkd0c]

I'm human. I don't need "reason" to mess up. Sometimes i might be too tired or distracted or misread a label. Shit happens. And if shit inevitably, predictably happens, i could almost instantly kill my plants with a hydro setup...

Stop making excuses
if you instantly kill your plants that is because you lack knowledge and experience
do not blame this on hydroponics

 

[SnapsProvolone]

This is like proving a negative. Or like trying to teach life lessons to a teenager with know it all complex.

Trying to tell someone that can't figure hydro out that hydro is better is like talking to a wall.

LOTS of people have had improved results from hydro thus PROVING it can be done. If YOU can't replicate their results it's YOUR fault not hydroponics.

 

[skunkd0c]

would seem some folk are misinformed about hydroponics ,thinking it is more complex than it is
or is unforgiving, "plants can die instantly!

this view often comes from folk who have no experience with hydroponics themselves,
reading the extremely small hydroponics chapter in a Jorge cervantes soil novel does not qualify you as having hydroponic experience imo

peace

 

[reasonevangelist]

Why would I want a two ounce plant when Colorado regulations limit the number of plants I can grow- but not their size?

I tried, but I just can't seem to find anything wrong with growing two pound plants- other than wanting to grow more of them, of course!

And that's why i think plant limits are stupid. It shouldn't be about creating an industry that oppresses the citizens, it should be about refraining from committing injustice against people who have done nothing to deserve it.

If someone grows a bunch of tainted weed and ends up hurting someone else with it, THEN penalize them. If they hurt only themselves through ignorance or negligence, they're already penalized.

Stop making excuses
if you instantly kill your plants that is because you lack knowledge and experience
do not blame this on hydroponics

I haven't Unintentionally killed any plants yet (give me time, i probably will eventually), and since (as i've already stated) i've never used hydro, there is no "blame." I'm very adept at determining whether i will or will not like the actual actions involved in various processes, before i try them; that whole "look before you leap" thing, i do pretty well. I investigated what would be required to build and maintain a hydro system, and weighed that against my personal "naturalistic" preferences, and decided i don't need or want the added hassle/overhead of overclocking plants. I don't need to overclock plants; they will be great in great soil. That is sufficient for me. Plus, from my own position, in my own circumstances, the cost to benefit ratio is PROBABLY BETTER, regardless of whether "perfected hydro" "has better performance." I need ease of use, and reliability, more than top performance. Also: nature. I'm planning to start my own worm bin and leaf mold, and will be growing "helper plants" (mint family! just popped some lemon balm the other day...) to make my own accessories. I'd rather DIY than buy (but i'm no chemist, so there's that). Just how i roll. Hydro simply wouldn't be right for me, in my situation... nor would it be what i would call "ecologically sound." I care about that, but you don't have to.

You might get more yield per crop, but i highly doubt there will be any significant quality difference (due solely to medium/method difference, genetics and experience notwithstanding) ... and even if so, soil is easier, more stable, less expensive, and i don't need HT cover cup winners; great clean safe easy homegrown is good enough for me. Not like i'm tryin' to dominate "the game" or anything. I just want enough good smoke to never run out, and i can accomplish that more... appropriately, with soil.

I didn't come here to try to make more experienced growers feel bad about their methods. Idk wtf all the animosity is about.

Is that something you get from hydro? (lol)

 

[skunkd0c]

i've never used hydro,

you should of ended your comment there ^^

 

[skunkd0c]

everything negative you have said about hydroponics is based on what you have read
you have no experience of using any of the various hydroponic methods out there

this would make your opinion not worth very much, surely you can see this ?

whatever method folk choose to grow with which best suits them, is none of my concern, i am not looking to convert anyone

i still feel i should correct your misrepresentations of hydroponics in general (instantly killing plants) etc
if you wish to hold strong views on a subject it would help if you actually know what you're talking about

peace

 

[reasonevangelist]

you should of ended your comment there ^^

i explained that i haven't used hydro, Because, i looked before i leaped, and saw indications of things i was neither prepared for nor inclined toward, being required perpetually, down the hydro road.

I could elaborate further, but since i'm not saying "okay you convinced me to abandon soil and only use hydro forever," i may as well refrain. After all, that's exactly what you said i should do.

 

[skunkd0c]

i explained that i haven't used hydro, Because, i looked before i leaped, and saw indications of things i was neither prepared for nor inclined toward, being required perpetually, down the hydro road.

I could elaborate further, but since i'm not saying "okay you convinced me to abandon soil and only use hydro forever," i may as well refrain. After all, that's exactly what you said i should do.

it was obvious by your comments that you have not used hydro before
you are regurgitating the same outdated myths, hydro is complex hydro is unstable hydro is expensive

hydro comes in various forms, from very simple to complex (passive/active/fully automated)
it would appear that your research is also lacking

 

[reasonevangelist]

everything negative you have said about hydroponics is based on what you have read
you have no experience of using any of the various hydroponic methods out there

this would make your opinion not worth very much, surely you can see this ?

whatever method folk choose to grow with which best suits them, is none of my concern, i am not looking to convert anyone

i still feel i should correct your misrepresentations of hydroponics in general (instantly killing plants) etc
if you wish to hold strong views on a subject it would help if you actually know what you're talking about

peace

"instantly killing plants" was at least partially hyperbole.

Why would i want to use hydro, if i would have to "know hydro" before having reliable success with it?

And how are you going to convince me that it has less negative impact on the environment?

And if i identify things i *do not* want to deal with, very early during the course of investigating, why should i continue investigating?

You're actually convincing me to start saying "hydro is bad." "Because chemicals and unnatural." I don't need another reason. I could also just say "that's not what i want to do."

So go ahead and call me "ignorant" just because i don't like what you like, and have already identified reasons why i do not want to use your preferred method, regardless of not being experienced with it. I can already see why i don't want to do it, without trying it once. I have proved the null hypothesis, in that regard, just by looking and thinking about what i see, to a degree which satisfies my own needs, and is not required to be "scientific" in any way.

 

[Greenhouse;save]

if u can tell me a person that DOESNT remember the good old days then that would b the person who would b most likely to use hydro but in the outher hand a lot of people dwell on the good old days when u could fix your own car or when u made something from a peice of wood that n the outher hand would b a person more into soil.....

 

[colonuggs]

Why would I want a two ounce plant when Colorado regulations limit the number of plants I can grow- but not their size?

I tried, but I just can't seem to find anything wrong with growing two pound plants- other than wanting to grow more of them, of course!

As a landlord I will not rent to anyone who grows in hydro .....I have seen the damage they cause

As for 2 pounds indoor nice.... I know a few people who doin the dro pull 6 +

 

[skunkd0c]

"instantly killing plants" was at least partially hyperbole.

your comment shows your knowledge of hydroponics is secondhand (grow book knowledge)
you repeated it a few times in this thread, maybe you thought it was funny

Why would i want to use hydro, if i would have to "know hydro" before having reliable success with it?

where did you get this idea from, i started with hydro
i found it easy and successful from the start, when i started there was no forums to ask for help
your idea of hydro is based on inaccurate information, you are not in a position to make an (informed decision)

And how are you going to convince me that it has less negative impact on the environment?

i am not here to convince you of anything, i think everyone should grow in the way that suits them best
your limited knowledge of hydroponics is full of myths and errors, i am just pointing those out

And if i identify things i *do not* want to deal with, very early during the course of investigating, why should i continue investigating?

you say (investigating) but i would assume you have done very little research because what you have said is pretty standard
if you do not want to grow hydroponics, that's fine, but why do you have to open your mouth and regurgitate lots of nonsense ?
rather than calling you ignorant, i would suggest you want to appear smarter than you are on the subject
sometimes you need to be the pupil not the teacher, this is one of those occasions

personally if i do not know very much about a subject i would remain quiet, and let those who know what they are talking about do the talking

You're actually convincing me to start saying "hydro is bad." "Because chemicals and unnatural." I don't need another reason. I could also just say "that's not what i want to do."

say what you wish, i do not think many will listen to you

So go ahead and call me "ignorant" just because i don't like what you like, and have already identified reasons why i do not want to use your preferred method, regardless of not being experienced with it. I can already see why i don't want to do it, without trying it once. I have proved the null hypothesis, in that regard, just by looking and thinking about what i see, to a degree which satisfies my own needs, and is not required to be "scientific" in any way.

you are entitled to your opinion, however your opinion is based on
no experience and very little actual research

folk thinking of growing hydro, but maybe on the fence about it, i doubt they would view your opinion as holding much weight
most of these undecided folk would of already read the same grow book chapter on hydroponics (research) as you have, i am not sure what you think you are contributing

someone who is growing both soil and hydro plants would have real experience to share on the benefits and downside of both methods
personally i would find this more useful and i am sure others would too

peace

 

[harris hawk]

For 1st grow experience go with Soil - good way to learn and they Plants) can take a lot of growing mistakes/issues + less expensive

 

[PetFlora]

As a landlord I will not rent to anyone who grows in hydro .....I have seen the damage they cause

As for 2 pounds indoor nice.... I know a few people who doin the dro pull 6 +

Smallish cement mixing tubs from HD/Lowes will keep any mess contained and away from the floors

My DIY Mini-Me F & D is so simple, I designed it

Combined with Hydroponic Research dry nutes, I don't even check pH anymore, until the last month of budding

 

[reasonevangelist]

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So you're saying it's impossible for me to find valid indications of circumstances and activities i want to avoid, prior to allowing those circumstances and activities i want to avoid, to affect me.

I don't need to suck dicks to know i love pussy. It's the same logic. I don't need to try hydro, to know why i prefer the soil approach.

"Hydro is bad." (lol)

 

[SnapsProvolone]

i explained that i haven't used hydro, Because, i looked before i leaped, and saw indications of things i was neither prepared for nor inclined toward, being required perpetually, down the hydro road.

I could elaborate further, but since i'm not saying "okay you convinced me to abandon soil and only use hydro forever," i may as well refrain. After all, that's exactly what you said i should do.

If you haven't used hydro, shut the fuck up already. You look ignorant.

 

[reasonevangelist]

If you haven't used hydro, shut the fuck up already. You look ignorant.

So there's nothing you've never experienced, which you can prior determine you do not want to experience?

Example: i've never been skinned alive, but i'm sure that's not something i will ever volunteer to experience.

Is that your definition of ignorance?