The rampant spread of shitty advice!!

[Silky Shagsalot]

i don't know sunni, i'm pretty sure i've seen you run people out of a thread because the op asked the person to leave. if we could post when/where we want, then what you say would be true. imo, even an op shouldn't be able to limit who responds. unless of course, the responder breaks a site rule of some sort. bad advice??? just cause you don't agree with someone else's response, doesn't necessarily make the advice incorrect. if i give advice (which is less and less) and someone challenges me, i'll usually try and expand. but if it turns into a shit storm, i usually fade out...

 

[panhead]

you know i'm trying to leave this one alone. it'll run out of my blood soon i hope but here's a counterpoint. that's the unwelcoming, hostile, belligerent, schoolyard clique. i'm 41 yrs old so no you haven't been on mj sites longer than i've been alive. it's so easy when cooperation fails to turn to hostility. then surprise when hostility is met with hostility and it degrades to "i'm l33t scrub stfu." i've been on forums as long as they've been around. original dial-up telnet bulletin boards on i386's. it will always be like this.

Ok great than that means you should understand the op's motives for posting the thread a little easier.

I dont know you or your growing skills but here's a scenario i'll pop into your ear,lets say your a stone newb who dont know soil from hash he's so new & he's trying to set up a simple flood & drain hydro system,to experienced growers its a simple pimple but to newbs its rocket science.

So Mr newb posts a thread asking specific questions about setting up his new system,half the posts he gets are one liner posts that dont contain enough info to teach anybody anything,then ya got the post count whores who post nonsense just to be part of the thread.

Next Mr newb has to deal with the jokesters who post pictures of bunny rabbits wearing a pancake on its head or leave some random bs advice steering him in the wrong direction thinking they are funny ,then ya got the people who just started growing & are posting threads asking questions trying to learn to grow, then they spew the advice they were just given 2 days ago in the hydro newbs thread as if its experience they've learned in their own systems .

Now ya got the real growers who post advice based on years of personal experience who take the time to write informative posts with spot on advice , which normally seems complicated to newbs but its the best advice given in the thread.

So now Mr newb has to weed thru all the post whores,the funny guys who think every thread exisists for their entertainment , the off topic thread hijackers who start entire different topics within his thread, the other newbs who know just enough to be dangerous with advice & the real accomplished growers who give explicit advice that will help him for sure.

How is a dead nutts newbie supposed to figure out who's advice to follow , especially when people who havent even smoked their 1st harvest yet are giving advice , wouldnt you prefer any advice given to you to be from somebody with hands on experience with your issue ? Or would advice from a new grower who's repeating what they read in other threads be ok for your grow.

Giving advice should be based on personal experience , never what somebody heard someplace or read in other threads.

 

[hellmutt bones]

Ok great than that means you should understand the op's motives for posting the thread a little easier.

I dont know you or your growing skills but here's a scenario i'll pop into your ear,lets say your a stone newb who dont know soil from hash he's so new & he's trying to set up a simple flood & drain hydro system,to experienced growers its a simple pimple but to newbs its rocket science.

So Mr newb posts a thread asking specific questions about setting up his new system,half the posts he gets are one liner posts that dont contain enough info to teach anybody anything,then ya got the post count whores who post nonsense just to be part of the thread.

Next Mr newb has to deal with the jokesters who post pictures of bunny rabbits wearing a pancake on its head or leave some random bs advice steering him in the wrong direction thinking they are funny ,then ya got the people who just started growing & are posting threads asking questions trying to learn to grow, then they spew the advice they were just given 2 days ago in the hydro newbs thread as if its experience they've learned in their own systems .

Now ya got the real growers who post advice based on years of personal experience who take the time to write informative posts with spot on advice , which normally seems complicated to newbs but its the best advice given in the thread.

So now Mr newb has to weed thru all the post whores,the funny guys who think every thread exisists for their entertainment , the off topic thread hijackers who start entire different topics within his thread, the other newbs who know just enough to be dangerous with advice & the real accomplished growers who give explicit advice that will help him for sure.

How is a dead nutts newbie supposed to figure out who's advice to follow , especially when people who havent even smoked their 1st harvest yet are giving advice , wouldnt you prefer any advice given to you to be from somebody with hands on experience with your issue ? Or would advice from a new grower who's repeating what they read in other threads be ok for your grow.

Giving advice should be based on personal experience , never what somebody heard someplace or read in other threads.

I feel ya bra! Theres some aholes outhere.
But really u would take advice from a forum like this?? What i do is google, youtoube, books, all that shit even if it takes me days.
And if what the poster came close to what ive read then yes i might take his advice. Or i would use a particular plant as the guinne pig.
but in other news..Oops i did it again!!

 

[mudballs]

Ok great than that means you should understand the op's motives for posting the thread a little easier.

I dont know you or your growing skills but here's a scenario i'll pop into your ear,lets say your a stone newb who dont know soil from hash he's so new & he's trying to set up a simple flood & drain hydro system,to experienced growers its a simple pimple but to newbs its rocket science.

So Mr newb posts a thread asking specific questions about setting up his new system,half the posts he gets are one liner posts that dont contain enough info to teach anybody anything,then ya got the post count whores who post nonsense just to be part of the thread.

Next Mr newb has to deal with the jokesters who post pictures of bunny rabbits wearing a pancake on its head or leave some random bs advice steering him in the wrong direction thinking they are funny ,then ya got the people who just started growing & are posting threads asking questions trying to learn to grow, then they spew the advice they were just given 2 days ago in the hydro newbs thread as if its experience they've learned in their own systems .

Now ya got the real growers who post advice based on years of personal experience who take the time to write informative posts with spot on advice , which normally seems complicated to newbs but its the best advice given in the thread.

So now Mr newb has to weed thru all the post whores,the funny guys who think every thread exisists for their entertainment , the off topic thread hijackers who start entire different topics within his thread, the other newbs who know just enough to be dangerous with advice & the real accomplished growers who give explicit advice that will help him for sure.

How is a dead nutts newbie supposed to figure out who's advice to follow , especially when people who havent even smoked their 1st harvest yet are giving advice , wouldnt you prefer any advice given to you to be from somebody with hands on experience with your issue ? Or would advice from a new grower who's repeating what they read in other threads be ok for your grow.

Giving advice should be based on personal experience , never what somebody heard someplace or read in other threads.

now we are getting somewhere. my instinct answer would be it's the mods responsibility as representatives of a mj grow site to patrol those specific threads and make sound edits/removals based on the mods centralized exp. not hard to know a no text/pic post should be removed.they belong in 'off-topic' threads.we are now holding you and others mods to task. there's plenty of places for the shenanigans. step up and intervene for the betterment of the community, for RIU as a whole.now for the posting of newbs who post from info from other threads. i do this but i usually link to it as well. i don't see too much wrong with that. it may even be using info from very advanced users no longer around (ex.nugbuckets main-lining) but that is a generalization that maybe we should avoid.i still propound that this is all academic because i said no posts were pointed out. i've fed this debate with anger yes. no explicit example was given. where are these threads that are the basis of these discussions? if you find one i can probably point out which posts should be deleted with prejudice, which should stay, and whether the thread should be locked. to really rectify the situation then i feel you would need to have a separate section for assistance. this section only has threads that get approved before going live and then only your senior exp. users are allowed to post. i doubt puffntuff would argue with panhead about a particular answer and i know you can make a 'mod approved' thread section from my prior forum activity. not sure about xenforo but really that's the answer. it would be another level of mod but not mod...they just have different permissions for that particular sub-forum.

 

[abe supercro]

good ppl try to give solid advice sometimes, but human error happens. one time noob has salt build up, so i tell em, "leach" your pots... give em a BiG drink! only thing was my auto-correct was On and I had a typo, so the NewMessage became "bleach" your plants... Sure enough the noob poured an entire gallon of bleach throughout his garden, everything died. win some, lose some.

I feel ya bra! Theres some aholes outhere.
But really u would take advice from a forum like this?? What i do is google, youtoube, books, all that shit even if it takes me days.
And if what the poster came close to what ive read then yes i might take his advice. Or i would use a particular plant as the guinne pig.
but in other news..Oops i did it again!!

 

[panhead]

i don't know sunni, i'm pretty sure i've seen you run people out of a thread because the op asked the person to leave. if we could post when/where we want, then what you say would be true. imo, even an op shouldn't be able to limit who responds. unless of course, the responder breaks a site rule of some sort. bad advice??? just cause you don't agree with someone else's response, doesn't necessarily make the advice incorrect. if i give advice (which is less and less) and someone challenges me, i'll usually try and expand. but if it turns into a shit storm, i usually fade out...

You bring up a good point with conflicting advice in the same thread but conflicting advice isnt allways a bad thing,especially if both parties are giving advice based on what works in their grow op,ive found that true growers will discuss & figure out why their advice conflicts & the poser acting as an accomplished grower usually gets all pissy & starts fights.

 

[hellmutt bones]

good ppl try to give solid advice sometimes, but human error happens. one time noob has salt build up, so i tell em, "leach" your pots... give em a BiG drink! only thing was my auto-correct was On and I had a typo, so the NewMessage became "bleach" your plants... Sure enough the noob poured an entire gallon of bleach throughout his garden, everything died. win some, lose some.

Wow bleach!! Dude thats horrible!!

 

[mudballs]

we also had irc chat rooms (skype now) where mods/priv members only would discuss forum actions prior to acting. with global mods in charge.
not sure if you guys do that

 

[mudballs]

so my analysis is the sites admins and mods aren't using their skillset and tools to maximum effect and are hilariously under staffed given the workload. ex. "the original posters question has been answered this thread is now locked"

 

[hellmutt bones]

so my analysis is the sites admins and mods aren't using their skillset and tools to maximum effect and are hilariously under staffed given the workload. ex. "the original posters question has been answered this thread is now locked"

I doubth we answered anything??
I cant even remember what ops question was..

 

[mudballs]

I doubth we answered anything??
I cant even remember what ops question was..

yeah we did. we finally got the right people involved.

edit:rephrase i feel i gave a good resolution. whether or not anything gets done is another story

 

[Diabolical666]

We used to have a rep program where thread participants could add to somebodys reputation for good advice,in theory rep should of only been given for good grow advice but the majority of the membership made a mockery of the reputation system.

People would give rep for posts that made them laugh or that backed their arguement , they even started threads where they would leave each other rep points just for posting in the thread,i saw several members who had only been members for 6 months have 3 full rep bars & when looking thru their past posts all the rep came from toke n talk for bullshit posts.

There was a small movement here about overhauling the rep system so rep could only be left for grow advice but it was an odd time at RIU where the admin was pretty much against any type rules or regulations so the movement to fix the rep system got blown off.

For years i stayed out of toke n talk & only posted in unanswered questions or grow advice trying to help newbs & growers having difficulty , problem was is most threads get hijacked here & go off topic so fast its hard to give meaningfull advice without some kid who's takin a break from facebook posting a bunch of bullshit directly after a post with solid advice,the hey look at me factor in effect,many of us experienced growers simply gave up trying to advise or mentor.

Sad to say but RIU is not the site to come to if you want to learn to grow or enhance your skills,theres too many members here just to have fun.

Oh snap, I cant believe a mod said this

 

[panhead]

now we are getting somewhere. my instinct answer would be it's the mods responsibility as representatives of a mj grow site to patrol those specific threads and make sound edits/removals based on the mods centralized exp. not hard to know a no text/pic post should be removed.they belong in 'off-topic' threads.we are now holding you and others mods to task. there's plenty of places for the shenanigans. step up and intervene for the betterment of the community, for RIU as a whole.now for the posting of newbs who post from info from other threads. i do this but i usually link to it as well. i don't see too much wrong with that. it may even be using info from very advanced users no longer around (ex.nugbuckets main-lining) but that is a generalization that maybe we should avoid.

1st off in the spirit of fairness & honesty i am no longer a moderator even though i still retain the title, if i was still a mod i wouldnt be posting in this thread , i kept to business & didnt become involved in many threads,hence my relatively low post count for my years on site , RIU was hijacked by some Jesus fanatic about 6 months ago & went offline,when RIU came back online most Moderators were dismissed from duty & i was dismissed as well,i think Potroast left my moderator title in place out of respect for my years on site but thats just a guess on my part .
Rules have changed at RIU since i was a mod so i cant speak for how the Admin wants the site moderated nowdays but when i was a mod there were very few rules,moderators were not free to delete posts that derailed threads from their intended topic.

Infact when i was still a moderator i posted the topic in staff forum where i questioned the lack of moderation as to keeping informational threads on track ,i asked for permission to do something about the hijackings & was shot down like a scud missle ,to this day im clueless as to why the Admin dont feel that keeping informational threads on topic is of any importance .

On your other reply as to reposting what you've read other places & included links to where you got the info,im not sure that qualifies with the op's idea of giving bad advice,if you make it known the advice is based on whats been read then include a link to the origional info thats worlds different than passing it off as something you've proven helpfull in your personal grow.

We've all got strong feelings on the subject but i think we can all agree that everybody wants to give helpfull information, when information is posted as fact instead of hearsay is when it becomes harmfull to the person needing help.

 

[mudballs]

crap.well i guess things will never change. sorry helmet, puff, et.al. we're boned. we'd have to buy the url. which i would expect to be in the thousands of dollars.

 

[sunni]

we also had irc chat rooms (skype now) where mods/priv members only would discuss forum actions prior to acting. with global mods in charge.
not sure if you guys do that

so my analysis is the sites admins and mods aren't using their skillset and tools to maximum effect and are hilariously under staffed given the workload. ex. "the original posters question has been answered this thread is now locked"

we have a staff section. everyone keeps in touch the problem is YOU want us to do things that ARENT against tos therefore WE CANNOT do it until the core of the rules is changed...which probably will NEVER happen sorry. mods have their own sections they clean up arguments and spam global mods ban members, do everything plus what mods do

1st off in the spirit of fairness & honesty i am no longer a moderator even though i still retain the title, if i was still a mod i wouldnt be posting in this thread , i kept to business & didnt become involved in many threads,hence my relatively low post count for my years on site , RIU was hijacked by some Jesus fanatic about 6 months ago & went offline,when RIU came back online most Moderators were dismissed from duty & i was dismissed as well,i think Potroast left my moderator title in place out of respect for my years on site but thats just a guess on my part .
Rules have changed at RIU since i was a mod so i cant speak for how the Admin wants the site moderated nowdays but when i was a mod there were very few rules,moderators were not free to delete posts that derailed threads from their intended topic.

Infact when i was still a moderator i posted the topic in staff forum where i questioned the lack of moderation as to keeping informational threads on track ,i asked for permission to do something about the hijackings & was shot down like a scud missle ,to this day im clueless as to why the Admin dont feel that keeping informational threads on topic is of any importance .

On your other reply as to reposting what you've read other places & included links to where you got the info,im not sure that qualifies with the op's idea of giving bad advice,if you make it known the advice is based on whats been read then include a link to the origional info thats worlds different than passing it off as something you've proven helpfull in your personal grow.

We've all got strong feelings on the subject but i think we can all agree that everybody wants to give helpfull information, when information is posted as fact instead of hearsay is when it becomes harmfull to the person needing help.

actually i just wanted to point that , when we switched to new riu, everyone was "demodded" by the system, everyone who was a mod and said HEY I CANT MOD, got their modding back, you never said anything until about a week or so ago that ive noticed and ive contacted admin about it
there is another mod who has to have it fixed as well, its simply a porting of profile issue that didnt work out properly.

Also riu wasnt hijacked we took it down to have things work better and be faster as vbulletin was sucking in that department

 

[mudballs]

it isn't just ME, i didn't start the thread. I just offered a solution found through years of forum activity....lockdown on certain stuff is imperative. question, you can't even lock threads?

 

[sunni]

it isn't just ME, i didn't start the thread. I just offered a solution found through years of forum activity....lockdown on certain stuff is imperative. question, you can't even lock threads?

there are many thingsi can do , i have full acess to the forum and admin panel

 

[abe supercro]

it isn't just ME, i didn't start the thread. I just offered a solution found through years of forum activity....lockdown on certain stuff is imperative. question, you can't even lock threads?

you shld be a mod w the boner you have for this topic. of course they can lock threads. enuf whining mudball JK have fun

 

[sunni]

not to sound rude so please don't take it that way , but if youve only been here less than 2-3 weeks and youre REALLY REALLY this unhappy with riu maybe we aren't the right forum for you?
unfortunately its doubtful that we will be changing our entire rule set since its been pretty much exactly like this since 06

I used to frequent a dog forum, and i really dislike how they modded, ect. and i decided to find another one where i was happy at. no point in spending free time online and being unhappy about it

 

[mudballs]

nvr said i was unhappy...did i?