giving defoliation during flower a try

AlphaPhase

AlphaPhase

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Uncle Ben said:
Let's set the record straight once and for all. I hear this "try new things" stuff all the time. Just because you discovered or read something for the first time doesn't mean it hasn't been done by others. As a baby when you open up your eyes for the first time, the colors of your bed toys are quite exciting.

Nobody has shown me the science or logic behind defoliation, nor will they ever.

UB
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Well, guess what I did last night? Tried something new! My dwc roots were HUGE and ate the airstone a few weeks ago. Guess what I did? I said fuck it and cut the fuckers off! The plant was looking like crap. Was expecting the worst, right? Well, I woke up to the plant looking 10x better than it has in weeks!! AND all PERKY as hell! I was going to scrap it last night and decided to give this a shot before I threw it away! Now it's fucking amazing looking! And I have before and after pics ;)
 
AlphaPhase

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And I UB, I have read the science, I told you to do some work and find it as I did, no one needs to be spoon fed friend.
 
pk_boosted2

pk_boosted2

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AlphaPhase said:
I know we don't like the high times articles, but here's another ;)

http://www.hightimes.com/read/30-more-yield-indoor-pot-grow-advice
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Kinda funny the largest most influential cannabis magazine is saying th exact same things ive been trying to say for the last 80 pages but im the dummy right? Lol

And Sativied everything will be okay buddy do u need a hug? I know ur uncle used to touch u and ur still mad about that but its not ur fault; im sure ur mother is very proud she raised such a kind hearted spirited fellow like yourself. Your a loser and i mean that in a good way.. Lol

Heres Sativied year book photo i just found:
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stankyyank

stankyyank

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pk_boosted2 said:
Kinda funny the largest most influential cannabis magazine is saying th exact same things ive been trying to say for the last 80 pages but im the dummy right? Lol

And Sativied everything will be okay buddy do u need a hug? I know ur uncle used to touch u and ur still mad about that but its not ur fault; im sure ur mother is very proud she raised such a kind hearted spirited fellow like yourself. Your a loser and i mean that in a good way.. Lol

Heres Sativied year book photo i just found:
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Also kinda funny how all the most "influential" mainstream sources for news turn out to be garbage propaganda machines. Just because it's popular doesn't mean it bears total authority on the subject. And, as you said yourself, the world's flat vs. round, theories change, as does the science, especially when what was once unknown is later revealed. Again, all should be taken with a grain of salt. We preach science like we are the architects, when science is simply the language used to understand and attempt to explain what we cannot on our own.
 
pk_boosted2

pk_boosted2

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What propaganda would defoliation pertain to? There no products or companies or advertising agencies making money off giving growin and cultivation techniques unless one of these moron i can vision it now

Uncle Ben " BS Defoliation was made by the scissor companies so people have to go out and buy scissor to defoliate their plants properly" you can use dyna gro and it automatically defoliates the plant for you for $9.99 for whole run and you dont need any snake oil like the scissor that these defoliators are trying to push u to buy. Lmao come on
 
AlphaPhase

AlphaPhase

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"There are two hypotheses that might explain photosynthetic responses to defoliation at a whole-plant level. The first, the source:sink (S:S) hypothesis, suggests that increases in photosynthetic rates after partial defoliation are regulated by changes in whole-plant carbon S:S relationships (Neales and Incoll, 1968; Layne and Flore, 1995; Pinkard et al., 2011b). The second implies that photosynthetic responses to defoliation are regulated by changes in whole-plant hydraulic conductance (Whitehead, 1998; Brodribb et al., 2007). Plant organs can be defined by their functional role as either net exporters (sources) or net consumers of carbohydrates (sinks) (Laporte and Delph, 1996; Neales and Incoll, 1968). The S:S hypothesis suggests that defoliation decreases source size while leaving sink demand relatively unchanged. Increased demand for carbohydrates from remaining leaves reduces end-product inhibition, which in turn increases the photosynthetic rates of the remaining leaves (Sweet and Wareing, 1966; Neales and Incoll, 1968; Layne and Flore, 1995). If whole-plant S:S relationships were driving photosynthetic responses to defoliation, increases in the rates of biochemical reactions of photosynthesis and changes in leaf-level carbohydrate concentrations might be expected. While increases in stomatal conductance (gs) might also occur, this would not be a key driver of photosynthetic responses. Evidence to support the S:S hypothesis at the whole-plant scale is not well documented. While increases in the rates of biochemical reactions of photosynthesis are commonly reported following defoliation"
 
stankyyank

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Do I need to connect the dots, PK? My comment pertained to the credibility of mainstream sources, ones that you're quoting, for example. It had nothing to do with defol being a propaganda campaign, lol. You're smoking a little bit too much there... or reading what you want to read and ignoring the rest.
 
RM3

RM3

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AlphaPhase said:
"There are two hypotheses that might explain photosynthetic responses to defoliation at a whole-plant level. The first, the source:sink (S:S) hypothesis, suggests that increases in photosynthetic rates after partial defoliation are regulated by changes in whole-plant carbon S:S relationships (Neales and Incoll, 1968; Layne and Flore, 1995; Pinkard et al., 2011b). The second implies that photosynthetic responses to defoliation are regulated by changes in whole-plant hydraulic conductance (Whitehead, 1998; Brodribb et al., 2007). Plant organs can be defined by their functional role as either net exporters (sources) or net consumers of carbohydrates (sinks) (Laporte and Delph, 1996; Neales and Incoll, 1968). The S:S hypothesis suggests that defoliation decreases source size while leaving sink demand relatively unchanged. Increased demand for carbohydrates from remaining leaves reduces end-product inhibition, which in turn increases the photosynthetic rates of the remaining leaves (Sweet and Wareing, 1966; Neales and Incoll, 1968; Layne and Flore, 1995). If whole-plant S:S relationships were driving photosynthetic responses to defoliation, increases in the rates of biochemical reactions of photosynthesis and changes in leaf-level carbohydrate concentrations might be expected. While increases in stomatal conductance (gs) might also occur, this would not be a key driver of photosynthetic responses. Evidence to support the S:S hypothesis at the whole-plant scale is not well documented. While increases in the rates of biochemical reactions of photosynthesis are commonly reported following defoliation"
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You do know what this word means,,,,,right?
 
AlphaPhase

AlphaPhase

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Yup, that's the beginning. Just like the theory of evolution. Not facts. But it's being considered by even the pope and the general population as fact, which was once a hypotheses.
 
pk_boosted2

pk_boosted2

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stankyyank said:
Do I need to connect the dots, PK? My comment pertained to the credibility of mainstream sources, ones that you're quoting, for example. It had nothing to do with defol being a propaganda campaign, lol. You're smoking a little bit too much there... or reading what you want to read and ignoring the rest.
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I dont quote anyone but myself. Everything i post is from MY experience in growing and cultivation over the past decade of doing grows. I dont care what any article, person or any thing anyone else says im giving MY experience with techniques such as defoliation (which i used to be against) until i started doing it about 3 years ago and i will selectively defoliate all ,y indoor crops for the mentioned reasons. I dont need to ride someones dick and tell ppl shit unless i know for a fact what its done for me. Other ppl may have diff experiences I been running same phenos for 5 years now and like ive mentioned a million times already defoliation is strain specific some phenos dont do well removing any leaves. But when running indica dominant hybrids like ones i run u need to defoliate when running scrog/sog and trellis style grows. The hw is done im giving my input on the topic and i said many articles from other people in the industry will agree that defoliation works and can drastically increase yields when done correctly. So it is what it is im not quoting or taking information from any source this is MY opinion on the subject.

And its controversial for a reason. Theres never gonna be a end all be all to growing theres so many methods techniques and diff ways to cultivate this is merely 1 in a bucket of a million. Its up to ppl to chose how they grow and whats works best for them im just letting ppl know that its a proven method that is beneficial to certain phenos and grows indoors.
 
AlphaPhase

AlphaPhase

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Yup, my defoliated project is now going ape shit, I'm thinking the defoliation didn't really stunt it, I now think it was the root tangle that was stunting it. Roots fixed and now it's going crazy. 3" growth since 12 am
 
ayr0n

ayr0n

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I'm glad when I'm wrong I can just admit it and move on instead of trying my best to prove how stupid I am.


...lmao

Just kidding I do that shit too haha. Our own beliefs are always the best ones right?
 
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Dr.Pecker

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AlphaPhase said:
Well, guess what I did last night? Tried something new! My dwc roots were HUGE and ate the airstone a few weeks ago. Guess what I did? I said fuck it and cut the fuckers off! The plant was looking like crap. Was expecting the worst, right? Well, I woke up to the plant looking 10x better than it has in weeks!! AND all PERKY as hell! I was going to scrap it last night and decided to give this a shot before I threw it away! Now it's fucking amazing looking! And I have before and after pics ;)
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Yup keep them trimmed. People do it all the time with smart pots. Think about it, the roots grow through the smart pot and gets air pruned.
 
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