Popular Dynasty Strains

[OGEvilgenius]

What happens if you take a fem, self it, take the s1 and self that, and so on and so forth? Same plant on the 8th or 10th generation?

I doubt you'd get that far - maybe with a polyhybrid. You'd run into some nasty recessive combinations and inbreeding depression as well. At some point the pollen or pistils would become sterile in all the seeds and the plants would have so little vigor and possibly other problems making them very undesirable.

You can hybridize female plants though and use all the same breeding practices you use for regular plants, but you can sometimes skip some steps and learn more about what you're working with.

If you have two unknown plants for example, you can self each to see homozygous they are.

 

[GUN1]

10 generations of inbreeding is probably just gonna give you a bunch of finicky seeds if its the same everytime

Maybe but if you do force a new mutation that's beneficial then it's worth while. Many breeders have seed near or past f10, sannies jack, jaws banana kush. Most of the older farmed strains would have been selectively inbred for many generations. In some countries even into the hundreds of generations eg.nepal, india, thailand. I understand selfing is a little different but any line breeding can force mutations and reverse pollinating probably more so. You might make the seed more finicky and maybe produce a lot of unwanted phenotypes but if you produce a beneficial one it has been worth the work. I'm sure you would see many popping out before S10 though. That's my opinion anyway.

 

[hydroMD]

Maybe but if you do force a new mutation that's beneficial then it's worth while. Many breeders have seed near or past f10, sannies jack, jaws banana kush. Most of the older farmed strains would have been selectively inbred for many generations. In some countries even into the hundreds of generations eg.nepal, india, thailand. I understand selfing is a little different but any line breeding can force mutations and reverse pollinating probably more so. You might make the seed more finicky and maybe produce a lot of unwanted phenotypes but if you produce a beneficial one it has been worth the work. I'm sure you would see many popping out before S10 though. That's my opinion anyway.

Sure, if your working towards a specific genotype, but in regards to the poster, this will be the overwhelming outcome. Takes a certain level of experience to take away attributes of inbred lines and carry them to a strain.


My blood alcohol content is probably around .29 right now fyi.


All previous input is in regards to 10 generations of inbreeding the same mother

 

[OGEvilgenius]

Maybe but if you do force a new mutation that's beneficial then it's worth while. Many breeders have seed near or past f10, sannies jack, jaws banana kush. Most of the older farmed strains would have been selectively inbred for many generations. In some countries even into the hundreds of generations eg.nepal, india, thailand. I understand selfing is a little different but any line breeding can force mutations and reverse pollinating probably more so. You might make the seed more finicky and maybe produce a lot of unwanted phenotypes but if you produce a beneficial one it has been worth the work. I'm sure you would see many popping out before S10 though. That's my opinion anyway.

You're working with 33% less genetic material to start when you start with selfing. You will run into problems more quickly. Some of the lines that have been bred (not Sannies Jack, but other worked lines for sure) have been done so using more than one parent on both sides (not necessarily a bunch of parents, but more than one), limiting the genetic bottlenecking as well. This can be done selfing if you grow a lot of seeds and then work to find multiple phenotypes that you desire, self all those and grow out a bunch and use multiples - but it's never going to result in a less bottlenecked line than is possible using more traditional breeding methods.

 

[GUN1]

You're working with 33% less genetic material to start when you start with selfing. You will run into problems more quickly. Some of the lines that have been bred (not Sannies Jack, but other worked lines for sure) have been done so using more than one parent on both sides (not necessarily a bunch of parents, but more than one), limiting the genetic bottlenecking as well. This can be done selfing if you grow a lot of seeds and then work to find multiple phenotypes that you desire, self all those and grow out a bunch and use multiples - but it's never going to result in a less bottlenecked line than is possible using more traditional breeding methods.

How are you working with 33% less genetic material? The whole point of line breeding is to bottleneck. you want to have as many genetic traits as possible in one plant all showing at the same time. The more you bottleneck the stronger hybrid vigour you will get in your f1 when you breed out. Bottlenecking or stacking genetics is not easy. the chances of hitting your wanted combination of phenotypes greatly increases with each one added. If you have crossed two parents each holding a recessive phenotype the f1s will be "double hets" heterozygous for 2 genes (meaning they are hidden till filial 2). when f2'd the chances of having both wanted phenotypes produced in one plant is one in every 16 seed. If you had 3 recessive phenotypes it would take your chances of producing all 3 in one plant to one in every 64 seed (Basic mendelian genetics). Of course genes are not restricted to recessive mutations there are dominant ,and x linked mutations also.

 

[OGEvilgenius]

How are you working with 33% less genetic material? The whole point of line breeding is to bottleneck. you want to have as many genetic traits as possible in one plant all showing at the same time. The more you bottleneck the stronger hybrid vigour you will get in your f1 when you breed out. Bottlenecking or stacking genetics is not easy. the chances of hitting your wanted combination of phenotypes greatly increases with each one added. If you have crossed two parents each holding a recessive phenotype the f1s will be "double hets" heterozygous for 2 genes (meaning they are hidden till filial 2). when f2'd the chances of having both wanted phenotypes produced in one plant is one in every 16 seed. If you had 3 recessive phenotypes it would take your chances of producing all 3 in one plant to one in every 64 seed (Basic mendelian genetics). Of course genes are not restricted to recessive mutations there are dominant ,and x linked mutations also.

Well, hypothetically 33% assuming certain variables (like two plants that aren't very closely related or at all) when compared to a selfed plant, you lose an entire X chromosome to work with. Realistically not that much.

 

[kristoffolese]

http://www.nomercyseeds.eu/en/speescees.htm Actually not a bad example.

The real breeders and the best are the most imitated and most popular sources for genetics for starting breeders. They create the stable lines they and others use for hybrids, and add new varieties (usually means a specific taste in either skunk, haze, or kush, or another specific trait). They do not release dozens of "strains" per year. They are located in Amsterdam Ok not all, I know (of) a few real breeders in the US, but ironically those aren't the ones cashing in.

Cannabis breeders don't have a whole lot of options when they start. Some people pop landraces in hopes of finding a keeper, but that's like going to Africa and look for a cheetah suitable as a pet. That's why those classics and the strains from the older dutch breeders are so popular for breeding projects, they have been acclimatized and adapted for indoor growing, for short flowering, for high calyx to leaf ratio etc etc. Incompetent self-proclaimed breeders who work with them end up creating a pale shadow of the parents. Which are then used to breed little inbred mongols, from which an "elite" cut is taken, which is then selfed and hyped long enough till another self-proclaimed breeder comes along and backcrosses it to SSH and becomes the new hot breeder at riu.

The running joke in the US that jews are greedy/frugal? I only know that from tv, that joke is on us here. Yet the largest and most commercial dutch breeders have less strains after 3 decades than a pollen chucker in the US has after a year... and then some noobs here who pretend to have any credibility when it comes to reviewing strains got the bloody nerve to bitch over how sensi seed is crap and not the real thing, while praising some of the most blatant chuckers, while in fact, without Ben Dronkers and other dutch breeders many of those self-proclaimed breeders in the US would have little to offer.

I got to say I like how Dynasty is open about their methods and lineage, although it factually shows they are just pollen chucking. Crossing phenotypes instead of genotypes.





Sure lol... that is so like me... Going into a christian forum telling people the story of Jesus is just bullshit is one thing... refuting the delusional responses and petty ad hominem attempts is not something I can be bothered with... well, unless it's entertaining. I gave up on trying to have a normal discussion with trolls. Time travel is hardly an exact science, doesn't change the point.

Plus why would I do a weird walk like that when I can drive away on my invisible bike...

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Poor guy... i get the sense you are an unhappy person... im sorry

 

[kristoffolese]

How are you working with 33% less genetic material? The whole point of line breeding is to bottleneck. you want to have as many genetic traits as possible in one plant all showing at the same time. The more you bottleneck the stronger hybrid vigour you will get in your f1 when you breed out. Bottlenecking or stacking genetics is not easy. the chances of hitting your wanted combination of phenotypes greatly increases with each one added. If you have crossed two parents each holding a recessive phenotype the f1s will be "double hets" heterozygous for 2 genes (meaning they are hidden till filial 2). when f2'd the chances of having both wanted phenotypes produced in one plant is one in every 16 seed. If you had 3 recessive phenotypes it would take your chances of producing all 3 in one plant to one in every 64 seed (Basic mendelian genetics). Of course genes are not restricted to recessive mutations there are dominant ,and x linked mutations also.

Love it!

 

[corners]

...and their origin.

Since you’ve all been so receptive and warmhearted I figured I do another one. I’m starting to see a pattern.

Let’s see, who’s Dynasty seeds.

“It all started in 1996 when professor p moved to a mmj friendly state with a few 100 seeds in search for a fresh start... During his first few years of growing from seed, professor p had realized what healing properties lie within certain cannabis genetics…”

I tried to copy a longer description but if I read the word medicinal one more time I’m going to puke. If you can’t breed, you need an angle. Bodhi for example suckers the “organic” growers, but you also got to love supporting a family business using a special genetics file. For Dynasty it’s all about helping people in need, people in pain. Which for all I know may be true, this is just about linage.

Part of the reason people talk about medical this and that was because of a while those were the ONLY people that could legally sell grow or breed pot. If you didnt say it was for medical you could be in violation of law.

 

[corners]

"Yet the largest and most commercial dutch breeders have less strains after 3 decades"

That's what happens when titans of an industry sit on their old winnings and ways. Anyone but you say the best Breeders are still in Holland?

The only thing that changed here is superior genetics from the United States dont have to go to Holland to get commercialized anymore just because it was illegal in the USA

 

[jimihendrix1]

Holland/Europe aint got nothin on USA breeders.

Weve still got many of those original old genes Nevil, and all the like got themselves back in the 70s- 80s. From USA. And some of the old stuff like Sensi Seeds, Nevil, Super Sativa Seed Club, Cultivators Choice are still around. Albeit some as handpicked clone only, and are available to the masses in hybrid crosses only. But if you have access to all the original cuts, you've got a gold mine.

The original PNW Hashplant is still alive.
90s Sensi Black Domina is still around in blth clone, and seed form, but is limited. The Nature Farm Genetics has the original genetics, and is working on increasing the numbers. He has a cut that won the 2017 Humbolt Cut for best Indoor Indica, and is also the same cut he gave to Bob Hemphill fo his Black Lights. Which is BD x NL1
Heirloom NL1 is still alive and well
79 Romulan cut
83..Blue Orca.... 83 The ONE
Williams Wonder
Super Sativa Seed Club Sk1... The Nature Farm also has PURE SSSC Sk1 seeds from the original release, and is also working on increasing the #s of these.
He also has PRE Skunkman ( RATMAN ) Sk1 AKA Sk18... Hells Angels Sk18 IBL 1969.. No Sweet in this stuff. He does have the SSSC X Sk18 for sale. AKA Red Eye Skunk.
Nepali Hashplant??? Eugene cut.... 1 of the genetics in original Willie Nelson????
Long before Reeferman had the genetics.

Monkey Paw… Original cross of Nepali Highland x Vietnamese Black. And though he wont specify, like 79 Romulan cut... its also from the 70s, Nepali Highland x Vietnamese Black. These are the original genetics clone only of PRE Willie Nelson, nearly 30 years before Reeferman even thought about getting them. This was a clone only from the 70s.
Swami Organic Seeds still has all the original BOEL Genetics that DJ Short used to create Blueberry. Swammi just had a drop of the grandparents of BB, and were sold out in minutes, at $300 a pack even.
Swami also did a Limited drop of the original Chocolate Thai that DJ used in his crosses. He also had some Paki x Choco Thai crosses. Still may have. Hes on Instagram.
Swami has the original LTD Release 88 Nevils NL5 x Hz, though they are more NL5 Leaning, they still have a long flowering time. Up to 100 days.

The Original NL5 Clone is still alive.. Pre Nevil... 1984, or earlier.
Sensi 89 clone only NL5, which has made a huge name for itself, is still alive.
early 90s NL5 Caution Male is a hit, and very sought after
91chem va
95 VA Afghani
MassSuperSkunk
Colorado Cough
Skelly Hashplant
Cuddlefish Hashplant
G13/HP

All of this is around, and is as potent as it ever was.


We have all kinds of these genes floating around, and theres a whole lot more I could have typed out.

While many of the European Banks lost many of of their original genetics starting in the late 90s, through the 2000's... that came over in the 80s-90s. We never lost much, if any of what was taken to Europe. Its Still here. Alive, and well.

The best stuff that's ever been commercially available happened in the 80s, and 90s.. IMHO/YMMV.. But 1 whole hell of a lot of these are still alive, and hybrids of them.

 

[misterlaxx]

these guys are cheesy

marketing whores

thieves