Does growing autos make any sense?

Iamlegend2121

Iamlegend2121

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Gbuddy said:
I did and all I see is
- 3-4 weeks or longer vegtimes
- a minimum of 16 hours of light per day

Okay you maybe right with some yielding okay but my other points I have to see arguments to chalenge them.
I think the same way to each his own. If people grow auto or not its on them. If they have fun all is fine. But there is no big advatage besides the single cab argument.
and sad but true I must see one more time that most breeders are not honest in their description. Or can you show me the autostrain that starts flowering after developing 4 sets of leafes have developed? Cant find one. Sorry
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If you want a quick one then grow mephisto genetics sour crack every single one I've seen is ready at 55-70 days from seed. And 70 days is for people who like them really Amber. My sour crack showed preflower at day 14 probably about 3-4 leaf sets. I think I harvested at day 60 if not a couple before that. But a lot of breeders lie. I would recommend Mephisto genetics or Dutch passion before you give up.
 
Gbuddy

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Iamlegend2121 said:
I agree with you that most breeders lie about the seed to harvest days. But I have had autos that do preflower on day 14 and then are flowering within a week or two after that. Autos are a lot different then photos. You can trigger early flowering with autoflowers by putting them in a smaller pot and also starting flowering nutes as soon as you see pre flowers. If you want them to go longer then bigger pots and not feeding bloom nutes early is the way to go. Try using smaller pots. I don't think I've ever had an auto that would fill a ten gallon pot. I also agree that most autos grown outdoors (depending on where you live) don't yield as well as the indoor ones. If you do some digging you will find ones that do extremely well outdoors but they won't be the same as photos. The advantage I see from autos as that one you don't need to worry about light schedules or light leaks. Another advantage is those who don't have space for four foot monsters.
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Thats also great info bro.
I will try smaller pots and early flowering nutes with the ones I just popped for indoors.

What will be the difference between 24-0 and less hours of light? I would be happy if you could share your thoughts about that.

I am in a learning process I see and try to do some things different this time
Thank you bro

Peace
 
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TaNg PeNg

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Yeah Mephisto are pumping out some killer autos at the moment,I rate Dutch Passions too.

Here a little video of my latest Mephisto auto, its The White x OG Ghost Train Haze in Auto called The White Train, shit smells like pineapples and grapefruit.

 
Iamlegend2121

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Gbuddy said:
Thats also great info bro.
I will try smaller pots and early flowering nutes with the ones I just popped for indoors.

What will be the difference between 24-0 and less hours of light? I would be happy if you could share your thoughts about that.

I am in a learning process I see and try to do some things different this time
Thank you bro

Peace
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Smaller pots will deffinatley help trigger early flowering. I use 3 gallons all the way from start to finish some people use bigger if they want bigger plants. As far as the light schedule less light would be a smaller yield. I don't know how big of a difference though because I do 20-4 I used to do 24-0 but I felt as though the plants needed a break lol. A lot of people argue that they don't need rest but I found the best for me is 20-4 I have never tried 18-6 to be fair. But if your going to do photos as well you have to do what you have to do. You can try 12/12 but that will deffinatley Impact yield.If you have a separate tent to veg then just leave them on the schedule that you veg your photos on.
 
Gbuddy

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Great info again bro.
I have a seperate vegbox running on 24-0 for my moms and clones.
I want to fill my empty spaces in there with my autos.
Maybe I have better results this way compared to the outdoor disaster :mrgreen:

Peace
Iamlegend2121 said:
Smaller pots will deffinatley help trigger early flowering. I use 3 gallons all the way from start to finish some people use bigger if they want bigger plants. As far as the light schedule less light would be a smaller yield. I don't know how big of a difference though because I do 20-4 I used to do 24-0 but I felt as though the plants needed a break lol. A lot of people argue that they don't need rest but I found the best for me is 20-4 I have never tried 18-6 to be fair. But if your going to do photos as well you have to do what you have to do. You can try 12/12 but that will deffinatley Impact yield.If you have a separate tent to veg then just leave them on the schedule that you veg your photos on.
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whitebb2727

whitebb2727

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Try you a Buddha auto variety pack. You get four of the dwarf strains along with six varied seeds like pulsar and quasar. I don't know the weight on them, I never weigh it. The bigger ones finished at about 20 in with very good bud to leaf ratio. I grew 4 under a 8 bulb t5 with the 6500k bulbs that came with it. Still got a couple quart jars each plant of dried, cured, not a stem one. Some of it would stink a house up when the jar was cracked. Dinafem and bomb have good genetics, stable I mean.

I heard all the arguing about autos and see where the argument is. So I decided to grow some and see. My first autos were great and the next horrible. The key is finding a good breeder. Some are very good at what they do.
Oh and the Buddhas were in 10 inch pots and took 60-80 days to finish.
 
Gbuddy

Gbuddy

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whitebb2727 said:
Try you a Buddha auto variety pack. You get four of the dwarf strains along with six varied seeds like pulsar and quasar. I don't know the weight on them, I never weigh it. The bigger ones finished at about 20 in with very good bud to leaf ratio. I grew 4 under a 8 bulb t5 with the 6500k bulbs that came with it. Still got a couple quart jars each plant of dried, cured, not a stem one. Some of it would stink a house up when the jar was cracked. Dinafem and bomb have good genetics, stable I mean.

I heard all the arguing about autos and see where the argument is. So I decided to grow some and see. My first autos were great and the next horrible. The key is finding a good breeder. Some are very good at what they do.
Oh and the Buddhas were in 10 inch pots and took 60-80 days to finish.
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Thanks bro great info there too.
maybe it wasnt the best idea to grow mine outdoors.
 
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Gbuddy

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whitebb2727 said:
Outdoors is great for big autos. The tap root tells an auto when to flower. The bigger the pot, the longer the grow time.
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Mine were in big pots and maybe the late starting flowering that resulted in the plants having less lighthours in late summer than in june made them grow big but yield shit.
I thought like that:
When I germinate them beg may They will flower like a week or two later and recieve the long sunlight periods in june and therefor yield okay.

Maybe a earlier germination would have done the trick. That way the plant would have been able to develop rootsystem before june and flowering june and july and ready to harvest about beg august......
 
whitebb2727

whitebb2727

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Gbuddy said:
Mine were in big pots and maybe the late starting flowering that resulted in the plants having less lighthours in late summer than in june made them grow big but yield shit.
I thought like that:
When I germinate them beg may They will flower like a week or two later and recieve the long sunlight periods in june and therefor yield okay.

Maybe a earlier germination would have done the trick. That way the plant would have been able to develop rootsystem before june and flowering june and july and ready to harvest about beg august......
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Maybe. Just get some good genetics and I think even growing late in the year will be fine. I just popped some autos about three weeks ago. I will let them grow outside.
 
tekdc911

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Gbuddy said:
Yeah not the best strains definitly....
but large rootspace....propper ferts...plenty of sunlight for the whole day.

The only reason I started experimenting for was the argument that autos start flowering after producing three to four leafelets. But even that wasnt true.
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they preflower at 3 weeks / 21 days / 3-5 leaf's but that isnt flower .... just showing maturity ... flower is around week 5-6 depending on strain ...... in a 10 gal ? you really shouldnt have to feed them much if any ...... small plants are usually overwatered or fed too much too early and stunted ..... 10 gal pots that would be 6 gal's of soil mix with an extra 4 gals' of perlite mixed in correct ?
 
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tekdc911

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18 + hours a day light is needed to really see what they can do ..... pic is a 1 gal and a 3 gal in the preflower stretch phase ......
 

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Gbuddy said:
Looks like I overdid a bit with potsize looking at the aftermath :blsmoke::bigjoint:
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the term " dry cycle " fixes most of the size issues ..... they really like dry fluffy soil and bland feedings ;) good luck on your next round brother ... they really are the home growers best choice for medical IMO ..... they have enough CBD to work magic with daily pains .... and more then enough THC to get you blitzed .... afghan kush ryder from world of seeds would be my suggestion ..... they can yield big after you get to know the strain ..... but give it 11 + weeks and its some really good like pain pill buzz without the nasty addiction o_O
 
tekdc911

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i run 20/4 to 24/0 normally ...... i mean for the one room grower its great to be able to just pop a seed or 5 :D every couple of weeks to keep a steady chop every couple of weeks
 
qwizoking

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Does growing autos make sense...
No..
End of story


Does this post make sense? I was thinking describing win 55 killed it. I was just trying to show how its still a "cannabinoid"

As long as yiu dont try to play on words as cannabis is a "facultative photoperiodic" plant
With many equatorial sats autoflowering under certain conditions





Without going too much into the pharmacological aspects. Thca will cross the blood brain barrier in high doses. Our pets having a much greater reaction. Binding affinities many times stronger will still feel effects unlike humans.

Cbd acts on some 11 pathways not counting those indirect. This occurs in the brain. There are cb2 receptors outside the brain that can be hit to reduce inflammation. But opiate receptors wont be hit for example among many others. Whats commonly misunderstood is thc has relatively similar binding affinities for both cb1 and cb2.

Thc binds..well specifically
cb1 receptors respond to the c-9 position of the cyclohexane ring, the phenolic hydroxyl and carbon/non polar side chains at c3...

check structure of win 55,napthalene ring and cyclohexane ring, carbonyl group and phenolic hydroxyl, and morpholinoethyl group

2 oxygens a phenolic hydroxyl at position 1 and an oxygen pyran ring opposite,interacting through hydrogen bonding with a lysine residue,the opening of the pyran ring not being significant...




Now not only does this carboxyl group -cooh ..nitice the oxygens and hydrogen..alter this hydrogen bonding

When we look at synthetic cannabinoids in drug design..
acyclic ring was found to be better than a heterocyclic ring, with a cyclohexane ring being optimal. In addition, the size and the position of the substituent on the cyclic ring is important to maintenance of CB1 affinity...position of double bonds within the cyclohexane ring effect activity. For example, moving the double bond of 9-THC to position 8 (as in delta8-THC) decreases CB1affinity. Bu about 30%
methyl (less likely to hydrogen bond) ethyl etc generally kills short side chains kill activity, 4-6 is best, branched chain increases activity.. increasing ring size to say heptane increases activity of both, conversion to a pyran cuts cb2 .adding oxy, hydroxy ketones increase cb2 .a sulfur substitution anywhere ruins it.
oxy in the phenyl ring increases cb1 can't substitute the phenol or alter placement as I was mentioning about delta 8, serious alterations ruin it
, degree of saturation as well as the position of the double bond in the cyclohexane ring effects cb1


I could literally carry on for a whole page.. receptor binding.. relies on the 3 things mentioned in my post above with slight variations drastically altering binding affinity and huge changes kill it. As decribed





So again the addition of the polar -cooh decreases activity butvit also effects the logp of the compound

Cbd logp in the high 6's thc Bout 7
In practice optimum colonic absorption is 1.32, intestinal is 1.35, oral 1.8, Cns 2, percutaneous at 2.6 and sublingual 5.5.

So this effects how we make the base to get the polar cbda into the skin



I rampbled like fuck and prolly made nosense...im not a vet and not completely sure on any pharmacological differences among humans and yur pets. But between 20 and 30 fold increase in potency is known
 
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