socalcoolmx
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Thesse big corporations want to manfacture and operate out of much cheaper countries and then granted free acess to US market.
51 Percent Of All American Workers Make Less Than 30,000 Dollars A Year
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Harrekin
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iPhones seem to be popular in the US...
"Made in slave factories in China".
An iPhone is $127 worth of components assembled in China.
$800 sale price.
How do you think all your liberal friends would react if they couldn't have their selfies?
Padawanbater2
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Exactly
Fuck that, right?
You want to fuck over American workers? Fuck you.
You want to fuck over (the lowest bidder)? FUCK YOU.
You offshore, you pay a hefty import tax to do business in America, there's your incentive to stay stateside. Go abroad, kiss the American market goodbye. You don't get to exploit foreign labor to absorb even more disgusting profit margins at the expense of the American worker, you get to go fuck yourself for being so greedy.
Harrekin
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Americans couldn't afford to buy "Made in America" for exactly the reasons you present.
To expensive to produce.
Padawanbater2
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Then make it more expensive to import
That's how you incentivize domestic production
Harrekin
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No, that's how you screw American consumers and piss off the world with Protectionism.
Is this the 1900's again?
So we pay 50 bucks for the same product the rest of the world pays 1.50 for? No thanks.
Free Trade needs to be Fair Trade.
Maybe true, but think of the junk we buy from other countries as consumers because it is affordable. If this crap just simply wasn't available because import tax kills the profits on these garbage consumer products, you dont think people would restructure their spending habits to accommodate?
Padawanbater2
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No American corporation in existence would offshore American jobs if they weren't allowed access to the American market
ginwilly
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What would stop Microsoft from being a Belgium company selling to the US?
Each company will do a cost analysis. Do we move completely out of the country so we can go somewhere with lower taxes and have the entire world to deal in, or do we stay in the US under some of the highest corporate taxes in the world and be limited as to where we can manufacture?
No corp offshoring is a pretty bold statement. You didn't think that one through. What you are saying is if they want to tap the US market, they need to either play by your rules or cease being a US company. No unintended consequences there...
Wavels
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The labor participation rate has some bearing upon this Obama induced calamity.
Thanks, Obama!
Now go ahead and blame Bush for this catastrophe....
http://data.bls.gov/timeseries/LNS11300000
Thanks, Obama!
Now go ahead and blame Bush for this catastrophe....
http://data.bls.gov/timeseries/LNS11300000
ginwilly
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Sorry about double quoting the same post, but had another question.
How do we handle companies like Kia, Toyota, Mercedes, Honda that are all foreign companies but have some of the best unskilled jobs in OUR country? Do we use different rules for foreign companies operating here than we do US companies? Does that increase or decrease incentives to open a new company in our country?
Or do you plan on telling them they have to leave and take those jobs with them?
So... same rules or different rules?
Padawanbater2
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Bill Gates' American citizenship
Your excuse to keep corporate taxes low to keep jobs in country doesn't match history. Corporate taxes were higher during the 1950's and GDP growth increased in America. GDP went from ~$13,000 per person per capita in 1950 to ~$20,000 per person per capita in 1960.
Padawanbater2
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Same taxes, same rules
No pay, no play
ginwilly
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The 50's followed a time after we had blown manufacturing bases up in Europe which eliminated a lot of the competition. Overseas transport was much more cost prohibitive.
Government spending in the 50's was a fraction of what spending was today and the country thrived!!
See how that works?
Bill Gates can't sell his company to a foreign entity? He could still be CEO and a major stockholder.
ginwilly
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What happens to those jobs?
You do realize every single one of them were given tax breaks to come here, because we realized having good paying jobs was better for the overall health of the country than those foreign companies staying overseas because of our tax policy.
How are you creating jobs with your policy?
Padawanbater2
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False
"During this time there was high worldwide economic growth; Western European and East Asian countries in particular experienced unusually high and sustained growth, together with full employment. Contrary to early predictions, this high growth also included many countries that had been devastated by the war, such as Greece (Greek economic miracle), West Germany (Wirtschaftswunder), France (Trente Glorieuses), Japan (Japanese post-war economic miracle), and Italy (Italian economic miracle)."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Post–World_War_II_economic_expansion
Do you have a source?
Sure he can, but he can't sell any Microsoft products in the US. An added benefit would be higher competition and less influence from monopolies on markets
Well, where are all those "good paying jobs" now?
ginwilly
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They had jobs rebuilding their manufacturing bases. We had jobs exporting shit until they caught up. They've caught up.
You need a source that government spending in the 50's was lower.....
If the company is not a US company anymore, they can still do business here right? If not, then shit, put a wall up around the country and we'll just go that route.
Those good paying jobs from Honda, Kia, Mercedes, Toyota and Mercedes are still here. Why are you trying to run them off? We NEED those jobs.