I'm voting for McCain....
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blazin waffles
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jamiemichelle
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Thats where you are incorrect AGAIN, they did have a government in the 1900's that was monarchy based. Please do some research before you try to act like you know it all, if you like later I can post proof that they did not have a hawaiian ran government since the 1800's (that was strictly race ran) later on today when I am done with my other obligations. I dont feel like searchin the web to prove my point. King Kamehameha I, II and III all said that there would be no race ran government.Try the early 1900's... . . .. Just because the gov. got aid from other countries means nothing. Look at the line of MONARCHS that led Hawaii for years.
THEYVE NEVER HAD A RACE BASED GOVERNMENT since 1800's- I have never got drunk since this past weekend.
So just because we came in there and jailed the Queen and made them accept our treaties. They don't deserve anything?
And PS. Sorry i was going to say towns but wasn't sure....never been there. In Europe they are villages. I wasn't talking huts and shit.
~~TLB
The people that colonized the islands. Got them running and successful. Those are the Native Hawaiians. Then like other places people from the region moved there. The influx of caucasions and shit didn't happen until Britain, France, and US realized what a crucial place these islands are.
Kamehameha I had a race ran government that was based off of Kabu, which was the last pure Hawaiian ran government. They practiced Cannibilism, Sex Slaves (of the same sex, being gay was an honor - and Im not against gays Im just pointing out some stuff about how it was ran), Men and Women were no allowed to sleep or eat together, you were put to death if you stepped in the kings shadow ... I could go on and on how bad it was. Then other nations started to come into play; King I started becoming ashamed of how his nation was ran from all the riducule...so King II abolished most of the rules which was practically the end of the Hawaiian (RACE RAN) Government.
jamiemichelle
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So do you got any pics of the monarchy before 1893? Just wondering... cuz if you can locate them, or even look at the names, you will see filapinos, chinese, whites, hawaiians and porteguese people... not all Hawaiians. Just look at the names... if they have more than the 12 letter Hawaiian alphabet they probably were not hawaiian... the letters are
A, E, I, O, U, H, L, K, M, N, P and W. The government was not race ran.
EDIT :
THE MORGAN REPORT (U.S. Senate, 1894)
A revolution in 1887 by 1500 armed local men had forced King Kalakaua to agree to a new Constitution giving up most of his powers but retaining his figurehead status as King. The U.S. played no part in that event. On January 17, 1893 the same local revolutionaries took the final step and dethroned Queen Lili'uokalani.
Because of serious threats of violence and arson as the revolution moved from rumor to reality from January14-17, the U.S. representative in Hawai'i sent about 160 sailors and marines ashore to protect American lives and property and to prevent rioting -- the same sort of peacekeeping mission done in modern times in Granada, Haiti, and, quite recently, in Liberia. U.S. forces remained scrupulously neutral; did not conspire beforehand with the revolutionaries; did not provide assistance during the revolution; did not fire a shot or take over any buildings; and spent the night inside a building behind where the Post Office is now located and out of sight of the Palace and the Government Building (Ali'iolani Hale). The mere presence of U.S. troops in Honolulu might have encouraged the revolutionaries and discouraged the Queen's forces; although there is also evidence that some royalists thought the U.S. troops would support the Queen.
U.S. President Grover Cleveland came into office a few weeks after the revolution. He was a friend of Queen Lili'uokalani, and an isolationist opposed to U.S. expansion. He immediately withdrew from the Senate a treaty of annexation proposed by the revolutionary government that had been approved by outgoing President Harrison. Cleveland sent a new representative James Blount to Hawai'i with secret orders to destabilize the Provisional Government of President Sanford B. Dole and to restore the Queen. Blount tried to stir up trouble; and he sabotaged negotiations whereby Lili'uokalani was offering to abandon any efforts at restoration in return for a lifetime pension. Blount assured Lili'uokalani that President Cleveland would get her back on the throne; and she passed along that message to her supporters. Later, in December, Blount's replacement as Cleveland's representative wrote a letter to President Dole on behalf of the U.S. government ordering Dole to step down and restore the Queen. When all Cleveland's efforts failed because of the strength and determination of the revolutionary government, he referred the matter to the Senate Committee on Foreign Affairs to investigate the U.S. role in the overthrow and to recommend what should be done (he was hoping Congress might approve the use of force to overthrow Dole).
In early 1894, after two months of hearing sworn testimony under cross examination in open session, the Senate Committee on Foreign Affairs, chaired by James Morgan, published an 808-page report concluding that the U.S. had not conspired with the Hawai'i revolutionaries beforehand and had not assisted them during the revolution. The Morgan report repudiated a previous report by Cleveland's hatchet-man Blount. It included evidence that Blount had listened to the royalists and excluded the revolutionaries, and had falsified or misrepresented some statements made to him. As a result of the Morgan report the Senate passed a resolution that there should be no further U.S. interference in Hawai'i, thus destroying Cleveland's hope for approval of U.S. intervention to restore the Queen. Also as a result of the Morgan report, President Cleveland gave up any further efforts on the Queen's behalf; he extended formal diplomatic recognition de jure (rather than merely de facto) to the Dole government, and he engaged in diplomatic negotiations regarding further implementation of treaties. The Dole government held power for more than 5 years, including all 4 years of an initially hostile President Cleveland, and in the face of an attempted armed counter-revolution in which several men were killed and many were imprisoned. The Dole government was not democratic, and probably did not enjoy the support of the majority of Hawai'i's people. But it was given diplomatic recognition by all the nations who had previously recognized the monarchy; just as other oligarchies around the world.
The Morgan report, and President ....
The abve is from the website I posted earlier...
blazin waffles
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Click the link that says The monarchy. I'm a step ahead my dear.
And the timeline link shows as different races were there.
~~TLB
jamiemichelle
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I have looked at the website before... so then what is your point if you are admitting there were different races there? Why should the Hawaiians get a race based government, when they didnt have one when they became a part of the United States DEAR?Click the link that says The monarchy. I'm a step ahead my dear.
And the timeline link shows as different races were there.
Please help me understand your point.
Why are the Amercans going to repay for something they did to theirselves? Please justify that.
blazin waffles
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They didn't have one when the became the united states because it took like sixty years for them to become a state.
So your telling me that if the Americans that came over and started trying to take over the Islands they would have still became a state?
The whole reason we made them a state was because we didn't want them to become part of the European market. Hawaii didn't need us or anybody to sustain life. they had done it successfully before the missionaries came in the late 17 early 1800's.
Hey CC what thread was all that shit about hawaii on? Remember the one where the guy was saying Obama couldn't be pres b/c Hawaii isn't a state?
I will find the shit that i would like to show you.... don't get mad. And i don't know it all, its my opinion. You are the one that "knows it all" from how you are reacting... and the dear thing was not out of sarcasm when i used it. Sorry if you took it that way.
~~TLB
blazin waffles
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and all the monarchs seemed to be hawaiian, that was "race ran".
The Monarch is the HEAD the one and only the KING SHIT OF TURD MOUNTAIN. Sooooo, thier race was hawaiian so it was Hawaiian race ran.
~~TLB
The Monarch is the HEAD the one and only the KING SHIT OF TURD MOUNTAIN. Sooooo, thier race was hawaiian so it was Hawaiian race ran.
~~TLB
jamiemichelle
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Im not mad at all, what my point is, is that people do not recognize that the Hawaiians voted to become a part of the United States. I am not saying that there was no wrong doing by the US at all, but they did vote.They didn't have one when the became the united states because it took like sixty years for them to become a state.
So your telling me that if the Americans that came over and started trying to take over the Islands they would have still became a state?
The whole reason we made them a state was because we didn't want them to become part of the European market. Hawaii didn't need us or anybody to sustain life. they had done it successfully before the missionaries came in the late 17 early 1800's.
Hey CC what thread was all that shit about hawaii on? Remember the one where the guy was saying Obama couldn't be pres b/c Hawaii isn't a state?
I will find the shit that i would like to show you.... don't get mad. And i don't know it all, its my opinion. You are the one that "knows it all" from how you are reacting... and the dear thing was not out of sarcasm when i used it. Sorry if you took it that way.
Before the introduction of other countries they were ran in a barbaric manner, thats the truth whether you want to believe it or not. The introduction of other races, made Hawaii what it is today; a diverse, multicultural island filled with the Aloha Spirit. Making America pay for the fact that they didnt run their country properly is not our fault, or my future grandchildrens.
It would not be fair and is against the constitution to have a race based government.
blazin waffles
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I'm just really high and wanted to take the opposit stance, if i can find that thread... HEY CC!!!!! HEY>>>>YOU KNOW THE ONE I'M TALKING ABOUT... TELL ME PLEEEEEAAAaASE. Its interesting and it shows what i was saying.
Your cool Jamie, you should come hang around the TLB! I think you already know EMAIL... anyway i'm only this prickish in the political threads
I will find this thread and prove you wrong though,.....wuahahahahahhaah
~~TLB
Your cool Jamie, you should come hang around the TLB! I think you already know EMAIL... anyway i'm only this prickish in the political threads
I will find this thread and prove you wrong though,.....wuahahahahahhaah
~~TLB
jamiemichelle
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Even if you find the thread I will still stand strong on my beliefs. I have felt this way since I was 13 and I havent changed it one bit despite people arguing with me about it. Like you, I can debate all day to prove my point. But thanks for the compliments, I promise Im not a raging bitch, I just want people to accept responsibility for their actions instead of try to make the taxpayers pay for it. They have been given land, money, funding, special projects and are being repaid in other ways. They are not getting short handed and most Hawaiians will stand by that with me. The people who are mad are the people who are greedy and want more. That would be like me digging back into my roots and wanting back what my great great great grandpa had, its not going to happen.I'm just really high and wanted to take the opposit stance, if i can find that thread... HEY CC!!!!! HEY>>>>YOU KNOW THE ONE I'M TALKING ABOUT... TELL ME PLEEEEEAAAaASE. Its interesting and it shows what i was saying.
Your cool Jamie, you should come hang around the TLB! I think you already know EMAIL... anyway i'm only this prickish in the political threads
I will find this thread and prove you wrong though,.....wuahahahahahhaah
If blacks do not get a race ran government for how they had to suffer, then why should Hawaiians? Thats my point. Whether you think so or not, they did not have a working or fair government and the Monarch had whites all up in it.
Anyway, ya Email is a cool dude and Im sure you guys are too. Im just like you I stand strong for what I believe in.
blazin waffles
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WordEven if you find the thread I will still stand strong on my beliefs. I have felt this way since I was 13 and I havent changed it one bit despite people arguing with me about it. Like you, I can debate all day to prove my point. But thanks for the compliments, I promise Im not a raging bitch, I just want people to accept responsibility for their actions instead of try to make the taxpayers pay for it. They have been given land, money, funding, special projects and are being repaid in other ways. They are not getting short handed and most Hawaiians will stand by that with me. The people who are mad are the people who are greedy and want more. That would be like me digging back into my roots and wanting back what my great great great grandpa had, its not going to happen.
If blacks do not get a race ran government for how they had to suffer, then why should Hawaiians? Thats my point. Whether you think so or not, they did not have a working or fair government and the Monarch had whites all up in it.
Anyway, ya Email is a cool dude and Im sure you guys are too. Im just like you I stand strong for what I believe in.
~~TLB
Leilani Garden
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1. You have completely missed the point. There are no more "welfare queens." Google "welfare reform clinton administration" and see for yourself. Doesn't happen, yet again and again and again, I see remarks like yours above, that only tell me you've bought into a bunch of propaganda about the welfare queen.
2. how do you feel about Walmart getting such incredible tax breaks? THAT is a welfare queen.
3. I had a similar experience to yours. I was a couple years older when I had my first child, and although I was married, it did not last. I never got child support, I "put" myself through college, etc, etc, etc. Never asked for assistance, because I was genuinely afraid of what it would have done to my self-esteem. So may I ask: Did you attend a private university or college? A state school? If you attended a state/public school, guess what? You did NOT do it all on your own, as you believe. ALL public schools are subsidized by the federal government. The roads you did not drive on, but walked on, are also paid for with tax funds. Do you read weather reports? Also funded in part, sometimes completely, with tax funds. Your instructors? Paid by tax funds.
This libertarian argument about the totally self-made man or woman has been debunked over and over again.
TRUE, yes, that there are those who put in more effort (like it sounds you did), but still, were it not for monies supplied by tax payers, your life would not be what it is today.
4. Are you aware of just how little most corporations pay in taxes? Do you approve of the tax breaks given to corporations wealthy enough to pay their CEO's bonuses in millions of dollars? Really--contemplate this. YOU pay taxes, I'm assuming; why would you not want wealthy corporations to pay THEIR fair share? I don't get it. I never will, except to say: A lot of people are sorely uninformed.
The welfare queen is a myth. Move on folks.
Leilani Garden
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Oh, and if you turned down financial aid, like Pell Grants, you were just foolish. Those grants are there to help people educate themselves. If you were, as you say, not even eating because you could not afford to, AND you were paying tuition and for books, etc, had no transportation, you made your life unnecessarily difficult by refusing any financial aid. That's just silly.
tipsgnob
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Native Hawaiians are the indigenous, native people of Hawaii with whom the United States has a trust responsibility. Congress has repeatedly recognized the unique status of Native Hawaiians since 1921. The long-standing policy of the United States has been to protect and advance Native Hawaiian interests.
jamiemichelle
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1. I was telling my story and how I dont think anyone should be on public assistance. Period.
2. I do not think its fair for Wal-mart to have any tax breaks, period. I feel bad for the Wal-Mart employees and I am saddened that most live under poverty because they work there.
3. I went to private schools and public schools. My parents are/were (my fathers now deceased) taxpayers... thats who paid my way through school. All of the colleges, minus a semesters at a jc have been private institutions.
4. I am entitled to my own belief just like you are... whats your point?
jamiemichelle
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PS I never said I was against taxes. OR doubted what I got from them.
tipsgnob
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The media questioned McCain yesterday about just how many multimillion dollar homes he owns. And just what was McCain's response? "I think - I'll have my staff get to you," he said. "It's condominiums where - I'll have them get to you."
The fact that McCain couldn't remember how many mansions he has proves how elitist and divorced from economic reality he truly is. That's why McCain admitted economics is not his strongest suit, and why he offered a budget plan that would create the largest debt in our country since World War II. That's why he proposed tax hikes on employer-based health care, doesn't know the price of gas, and has no appreciation for the struggles of hard-working Americans facing foreclosure.......
The fact that McCain couldn't remember how many mansions he has proves how elitist and divorced from economic reality he truly is. That's why McCain admitted economics is not his strongest suit, and why he offered a budget plan that would create the largest debt in our country since World War II. That's why he proposed tax hikes on employer-based health care, doesn't know the price of gas, and has no appreciation for the struggles of hard-working Americans facing foreclosure.......