giving defoliation during flower a try

[AlphaPhase]

Yuppers cob. As I mentioned, I think everything has been covered in this thread alone a million times. I've had my stab at pruning with great success, but there's absolutely no point in medium to heavy defoliation.

This thread should now start talking about other forms of plant training that actually have great benefits that do not hurt the plant, while increasing all aspects of yield in the end results.

#1 Topping.
#2 fimming
#3 supercrop
#4 lst

If using all of these tools at the right times, yields are 100% guaranteed to go up a lot, especially compared to a plant grown with little or no training.

Anyone looking at this thread thinking defoliation will increase yields, or whatever, just stop thinking about defoliation and start learning the training techniques I've mentioned and how to use them properly.

 

[AlphaPhase]

FYI, there are growers that can get 4 units from a single 1000w se bulb without growing vertically. They certainly do not get 4 pounds with a single light by defoliation.

 

[AlphaPhase]

Also, for taller or very thick canopies, lollipoppping IS a good tool as well, regardless of what was mentioned by some others earlier in this thread.

Shaded and older leaves that are deep in a canopy and receiving little to no light do not achieve photosynthesis efficiently, but they are still using energy from the plant, while doing no work (a sink) , thus consuming photosynthate rather than creating energy for the plant to use. This is the only time to lollipop. People have different opinions about what lollipopping is, so do not be the extremist. If your canopy is dense and you're noticing you're lower leaves are not looking as they should, this is because they are not receiving enough light and are actually making your plant work harder for less productivity. Remove MAXIMUM the bottom 1/3 of the plant shoots and leaves. I prefer 1/4. You will not need to do this if your plants are smaller in size or growing a couple small plants under a light. You do this when you are maximizing you're grow space and producing a thick canopy.

Class dismissed

 

[a mongo frog]

FYI, there are growers that can get 4 units from a single 1000w se bulb without growing vertically. They certainly do not get 4 pounds with a single light by defoliation.

4 units? Wish i was one of them..........

 

[AlphaPhase]

4 units? Wish i was one of them..........

You and me both brother. They do 32 plants in 3 gallon pots I think, spread out over a wierd canopy shape, 6x6 with a triangle pattern on the ends, all plants on the outside get lollipopped 1/2 way up and I think they train each plant for like 6 tops or something. I'd be happy with 2 per light lol

 

[homebrewer]

I never read a book I got a tent and some seeds and off I went.

I think that's what you would call a real gardener I dialed in with everything before joining RIU, and came to look for advice on how to do it better and found the man.

From just growing I managed to find a plant to that loves the environment changes, what doses of nutes to get things good with a broken ph pen and no ppm reader just good old look at your plat and listen to what she wants.

Just needed training on my bad habits ie extreme defoliation and how to make my perpetual better.

All that on mg Soil and cheep vegtable nutes grow sure all rounder.

I am a practical grower I can't sit there and read shit that's not gonna work in my case I live in England where it could be summer in the morning and winter by afternoon so my environment is gonna be little bit hard to control.

My tent is 80cm square and 160cm tall I'm using a 600hps

I been growing mj since last Christmas advice from a real indoor gardener made my wishes come true.

By growing small but yielding big
Forgot to add my grows are personal so I don't need to impress no one, just the wife

I get that you've just gone by the seat of your pants and figured out some stuff that works but listening to folks like UB can take you to the next level. You'll spend less time, less money, and less effort growing a greater amount of higher quality meds with a sound background in 'what makes a plant tick' (as UB would say).

So just keep that in mind when reading things you may not agree with. You've got a year under your belt, some of us have decades. And the good guys never stop learning either and those are the folks you want to emulate.

 

[Labs Dexter]

I listened to jacks and I'm doing all that less plants more yield.
So you and UB  maybe you guys should listen to jacks lol you will save time money and all in all yield big.

 

[chuck estevez]

lol,newbs

 

[Labs Dexter]

Or even alphadog he is talking sense and explaining that what people need to hear, advice and what to do. You guys are just jokes and piss takers I think I know who i listen to and who I shouldn't.
You guys showed your professional garbage, I'm listening to people who don't have co2 and manipulate a plant by doing things to trick the plant into production more.

Practical growers advice, you guys have just wrote garbage from books not from what you did.

I've tried those 4ft long shit and that's where I was going wrong.

 

[chuck estevez]

LOL

 

[chuck estevez]

Or even alphadog he is talking sense and explaining that what people need to hear, advice and what to do. You guys are just jokes and piss takers I think I know who i listen to and who I shouldn't.
You guys showed your professional garbage, I'm listening to people who don't have co2 and manipulate a plant by doing things to trick the plant into production more.

Practical growers advice, you guys have just wrote garbage from books not from what you did.

I've tried those 4ft long shit and that's where I was going wrong.

Bro, it's thanksgiving, so Imma help you out. Do a search on Uncle Ben, see ALL those threads just chock full of info?

now do a search on Jack or alpha, HMMMM, no threads with LOADS of info.
Uncle Ben has Been around and worked with some of the biggest names in the cannabis industry. the best thing you could do is read EVERY thread UB posted. Follow what he says and you will grow far more better bud,cheaper. OR be a Donkey and continue on.

 

[Terry385]

one plant one 600 watt bulb one pound 40 x 40 scrog first try see how close i come

 

[Labs Dexter]

Bro, it's thanksgiving, so Imma help you out. Do a search on Uncle Ben, see ALL those threads just chock full of info?

now do a search on Jack or alpha, HMMMM, no threads with LOADS of info.
Uncle Ben has Been around and worked with some of the biggest names in the cannabis industry. the best thing you could do is read EVERY thread UB posted. Follow what he says and you will grow far more better bud,cheaper. OR be a Donkey and continue on.

Never mind your missing the point

 

[jacksthc]

Bro, it's thanksgiving, so Imma help you out. Do a search on Uncle Ben, see ALL those threads just chock full of info?

now do a search on Jack or alpha, HMMMM, no threads with LOADS of info.
Uncle Ben has Been around and worked with some of the biggest names in the cannabis industry. the best thing you could do is read EVERY thread UB posted. Follow what he says and you will grow far more better bud,cheaper. OR be a Donkey and continue on.

uncle ben thinks scrog and mainline is a crap way to grow,
everyone knows scrog is the best way to get the maxuim yeild in a small grow room with a low plant count
mainline is a good start for newbies to lean the basics of topping, lst and light defoliation and should give you a good yeild if done right

 

[AlphaPhase]

Well, Chuck.. I've been here since 2006. And I do have many grow logs. Actually, I have one I update daily, and I do a grow log here and there monthly. He's got a point. Ub and hb have great info, no denying that. But I can out grow 9/10 growers in a small indoor setup. I mean, no offense, but you must be doing some things wrong if only getting 4 zips per OG with de bulbs. I get 2.5 zips flowering an OG at 10" tall. So, while Ub and hb have great info, you must find other sources for knowledge if you're going to up your game. Yes, Ub and hb will get you heading in the right direction and give you solid basics and a good frame work, but there are other things to learn, and I hope you learn them, too.

 

[AlphaPhase]

Here's another for your pleasure. Oh, isn't it beautiful? I give run downs on everything I do by the way, in my journal check it out chuck, you may learn a thing or three

This will be 6oz plants and I only vegged for 4 weeks! There's 15 plants BTW, so do the math

 

[AlphaPhase]

I'm not on a high horse, Chuck, I know botany basics, and I grow nice plants. There's nothing wrong with that is there?

 

[AlphaPhase]

See, the way I see it is this. There is botany. And there is growing indoor mj. If you grow indoor mj, the end point of taking the risk is getting THE MOST you can for every watt you're using. Yeah, we all can throw a plant under a light, keep it healthy and get some buds. But, why not maximize the yield? Got a botany book for that, Chuck? I didn't think so. That's my point. There is no high horse I'm sitting on, no tricks or smoke or mirrors, I prove what I do and I prove it time and time again. Hands on. With pics.

 

[AlphaPhase]

LOL! I've been growing longer than you man. I know plants yield different. We were talking about ogs. Most ogs yield the same unless you're growing ogs that aren't ogs.

 

[chuck estevez]

See, the way I see it is this. There is botany. And there is growing indoor mj. If you grow indoor mj, the end point of taking the risk is getting THE MOST you can for every watt you're using. Yeah, we all can throw a plant under a light, keep it healthy and get some buds. But, why not maximize the yield? Got a botany book for that, Chuck? I didn't think so. That's my point. There is no high horse I'm sitting on, no tricks or smoke or mirrors, I prove what I do and I prove it time and time again. Hands on. With pics.

that is your ego, I know what I do and I don't need forum approval like you.