Have you owned a business/company?

[kmog33]

But there would be no jobs.

To give a person a dollar an hour raise it costs over $2000.00 per year. In the laundrymat example we have had previously to go from 10.50 - 15.00 is over $9,0000 per year per employee. If there were 10 employees it adds over $90,0000 in costs to that business. That business may not make $90,000 per year and even if it made more than that the resulting costs might have the owner making less than minimum wage.

So the store would close and there would be 10 more people looking for the jobs that no longer existed... You keep talking about people working 2 -3 jobs but the jobs would not be available. So, what would they do now?

Your cost does not go up at all of you pay twice as many people the same amount for shorter periods of time. France has one of the best economies/work forces on the planet. They get paid more than enough to live and have more forced vacation days than I think anywhere else in the world. They also subsidize cheese and wine because they think every citizen should be able to afford cheese and wine lol. Are they failing because everyone is getting paid enough to live?

If those 10 stores failed. More successful stores would open in their place. There is a ton of money and necessity for work in the economy. The fact that everyone is fighting over laundromat jobs is a totally different problem. We need more skilled workers.

If a company cannot afford to pay its employees a liveable wage, that business should fail.

I dont think the American car companies should have gotten bailed out either. That would have initially cost a ton of jobs. But then better car companies would open up shop and the jobs available would be better.


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[NLXSK1]

Your cost does not go up at all of you pay twice as many people the same amount for shorter periods of time. France has one of the best economies/work forces on the planet. They get paid more than enough to live and have more forced vacation days than I think anywhere else in the world. They also subsidize cheese and wine because they think every citizen should be able to afford cheese and wine lol. Are they failing because everyone is getting paid enough to live?

If those 10 stores failed. More successful stores would open in their place. There is a ton of money and necessity for work in the economy. The fact that everyone is fighting over laundromat jobs is a totally different problem. We need more skilled workers.

If a company cannot afford to pay its employees a liveable wage, that business should fail.

I dont think the American car companies should have gotten bailed out either. That would have initially cost a ton of jobs. But then better car companies would open up shop and the jobs available would be better.


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I am pretty sure you are not a business owner. How about this idea. If you want to pay people a certain rate, why dont you open a business and employ them? You could be a model for all the other ignorant business owners out there. Your superior wages would bring in excellent employees and your profit sharing plan would be the envy of minimum wage workers everywhere...

Of course you would set your salary the same as your employees so as not to take advantage. Right?

 

[kmog33]

So you want the government to prohibit cheap jobs? More prohibition?

I want the government to get the hell out of my life...

No I think that minimum wage was invented for a reason. A lot of business owners and most people are selfish and greedy and will pay as little as they can.

Than move somewhere that you don't have to live with the laws/rules of here.

I'm pretty sure you're not going to find it much better anywhere else though.


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[kmog33]

I am pretty sure you are not a business owner. How about this idea. If you want to pay people a certain rate, why dont you open a business and employ them? You could be a model for all the other ignorant business owners out there. Your superior wages would bring in excellent employees and your profit sharing plan would be the envy of minimum wage workers everywhere...

Of course you would set your salary the same as your employees so as not to take advantage. Right?

Lol you would be wrong. We pay our employees $25-40/hr though. So stfu.


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[NLXSK1]

No I think that minimum wage was invented for a reason. A lot of business owners and most people are selfish and greedy and will pay as little as they can.

Than move somewhere that you don't have to live with the laws/rules of here.

I'm pretty sure you're not going to find it much better anywhere else though.


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It was invented so government could get a bigger cut of employers income. I am living with the current laws and rules, it is you that is demanding change. That would indicate that you should move right? Yeah, I want to keep it less shitty than anywhere else, you seek to do the opposite. Dont let the door hit ya on your exit... Kthxbye!!

 

[kmog33]

It was invented so government could get a bigger cut of employers income. I am living with the current laws and rules, it is you that is demanding change. That would indicate that you should move right? Yeah, I want to keep it less shitty than anywhere else, you seek to do the opposite. Dont let the door hit ya on your exit... Kthxbye!!

You stated you wanted the government out of your business smarty, that's what I was responding to. Ad hominem. If you can't stay on point, stop arguing.


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[kmog33]

The current laws and rules dictate that minimum wage is adjusted as living costs go up so I'm on board with that. You are the one complaining about what laws the government makes.


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[NLXSK1]

You stated you wanted the government out of your business smarty, that's what I was responding to. Ad hominem. If you can't stay on point, stop arguing.


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You are the one advocating change genius.

 

[kmog33]

You are the one advocating change genius.

The current laws and rules dictate that minimum wage is adjusted as living costs go up so I'm on board with that. You are the one complaining about what laws the government makes.


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Here, I'll quote myself.


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[NLXSK1]

The current laws and rules dictate that minimum wage is adjusted as living costs go up so I'm on board with that. You are the one complaining about what laws the government makes.


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The current laws and rules do not dictate that or you would not be advocating change. I am complaining that you want to make ridiculous laws.

 

[Carolina Dream'n]

If ma and pa can't pay a reasonable wage, then maybe ma and pa shouldn't be in business.

You've obviously never owned a small business.

 

[kmog33]

You are the one advocating change genius.

You smoke weed? So do you. That's the way our government works. Laws constantly are changed and updated.


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[NLXSK1]

Lol you would be wrong. We pay our employees $25-40/hr though. So stfu.


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What do your employees do? And when did it suddenly become 'Our' employees. You still sound like an employee, not a business owner.

 

[kmog33]

The current laws and rules do not dictate that or you would not be advocating change. I am complaining that you want to make ridiculous laws.

What is a democracy? How does that form of government work? You need to look these things up lol.

Did minimum wage boot go up this year, or the last? Because I'm pretty sure when I stayed working min wage was $7 and now it's $9. So change is happening with that whether or not I'm involved buddy.


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[Red1966]

It's not an arbitrary number lol. It's tons of research data and polling. I don't really think that nationwide it makes sense to have a base. But Im pretty sure that if you raised minimum wage to $15/hr where I live, you would still have to work 2-3 jobs to afford to actually live here and eat. You wouldn't get to have any hobbies though, as all your time would be taken up by your 3 full time jobs.

If you know about how and why minimum wage was instated, you would also know the way it creates jobs is by allowing the economy to work on more people working less hours. So instead of 1 guy working 12 hours at $8, you have 2 people working 6 hours at $16/hr.

See, twice as many jobs, same amount of money being made by both.

That is how minimum wage was designed and implemented by I think fdr... May be wrong on the president.


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But twice the expense for the same amount of income means you lose money, so no jobs at all. You have to look at both sides of the equation.

 

[kmog33]

What do your employees do? And when did it suddenly become 'Our' employees. You still sound like an employee, not a business owner.

I have a partner lol. Our business is web design and developement. We have a team of employees that do a variety of tasks from backend and js to front end and branding.

And yes our, I'm honest about the fact that I work with people lol. Most businesses have more than one person that run them. And lots of times the business owners don't even know what they employees are paid lol.


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[bearkat42]

You've obviously never owned a small business.

I'm confused as to why that would matter.

 

[NLXSK1]

He has got to be trolling. He cannot have ever owned a business. The profit margins are nothing like these guys think they are. Especially for businesses that pay minimum wage.

In the blink of an eye he wants to destroy the pool service, bug treatment service and lawn care service of everyone in America by upping those jobs so fucking high that people will do them themselves.

Massive unemployment of untrained physical labor with no prospect of employment in the future because a ditch digger is not suddenly going to become a dental technician or whatever other job pays 15+ dollars an hour.

 

[kmog33]

But twice the expense for the same amount of income means you lose money, so no jobs at all. You have to look at both sides of the equation.

I do see the point you are making, but IMO these businesses should have been keeping up with the economy. If, as businesses because successful, they paid their employees more as there was more money to be paid, this would never be an issue.

The problem is that people will open a business and pay minimum wage, get successful and never change wages. Then, 10 years down the line when housing costs have doubled and inflation has worked its magic, your employees are still being paid that initial number even though their cost of living us doubled.


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[Red1966]

Your cost does not go up at all of you pay twice as many people the same amount for shorter periods of time. France has one of the best economies/work forces on the planet. They get paid more than enough to live and have more forced vacation days than I think anywhere else in the world. They also subsidize cheese and wine because they think every citizen should be able to afford cheese and wine lol. Are they failing because everyone is getting paid enough to live?

If those 10 stores failed. More successful stores would open in their place. There is a ton of money and necessity for work in the economy. The fact that everyone is fighting over laundromat jobs is a totally different problem. We need more skilled workers.

If a company cannot afford to pay its employees a liveable wage, that business should fail.

I dont think the American car companies should have gotten bailed out either. That would have initially cost a ton of jobs. But then better car companies would open up shop and the jobs available would be better.


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Paying twice as many people the same amount for the half as much of work does cost more. You are stupid beyond belief.