Heaven Bright Led

Best cob led for the money... Excluding DIY

  • Optic Lighting

    Votes: 1 3.1%

  • Go Green Led

    Votes: 2 6.3%

  • Pacific Lighting

    Votes: 11 34.4%

  • Johnson Led

    Votes: 1 3.1%

  • Other

    Votes: 17 53.1%
  • Total voters
    32
  • Poll closed .
captainmorgan

captainmorgan

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hotshotisdashit said:
Never doubted your sincerity. As mentioned I know youre an og in these parts. But thanks for notifying us that you are in business. Do you plan on selling to online customers? Im sure youll make a great light.
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Thanks,I'm just getting started and it looks like I have plenty of local customers lined up to try LED so I will just take it one step at a time,we're also working with a solar power company.
 
AquariusPanta

AquariusPanta

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hotshotisdashit said:
Lol. Good shit. I love ufc almost as much as I love growing. Diaz is tough and is naturally heavier than Diaz but McGregor is an ox. He should pull out the win by unanimous decision.
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I watched the weigh in last night between Diaz and Connor and Diaz looks like he hasn't lifted a single weight in the past month! He's hungry though, so anything's possible.
 
hotshotisdashit

hotshotisdashit

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AquariusPanta said:
I watched the weigh in last night between Diaz and Connor and Diaz looks like he hasn't lifted a single weight in the past month! He's hungry though, so anything's possible.
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Lol. Diaz is more of a brawler while McGregor is a technician. In my younger days as a boxer technicians always topped brawlers. But just dont get caught with that big punch or its lights out. But I dont think he can beat dos anjos. He's too versatile.
 
AquariusPanta

AquariusPanta

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That may have been why they pulled Dos Anjos out at the last second, to prolong the McGregor legacy and to further build hype for the next UFC paid event involving Connor. It should make for a very entertaining match-up though once it takes place; champion vs. champion!
 
EfficientWatt

EfficientWatt

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hotshotisdashit said:
But im sure all diy cobs can be made for cheaper. So I guess theres no need for commercial cobs at all?
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That's not what I said, my point was that saying that a DIY build will not be on par with a commercial fixture is plain BS.

There is a need for commercial cob lights, as some do not have the time, or sometimes the capability of making one. Others don't care about paying more either.

I personally would not buy a commercial unit, ever. But if I did, I would go tasty, plc, or gogreen but heavenbright wouldn't make it. I might even consider buying a HPS over heavenbright...
 
hotshotisdashit

hotshotisdashit

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EfficientWatt said:
That's not what I said, my point was that saying that a DIY build will not be on par with a commercial fixture is plain BS.

There is a need for commercial cob lights, as some do not have the time, or sometimes the capability of making one. Others don't care about paying more either.

I personally would not buy a commercial unit, ever. But if I did, I would go tasty, plc, or gogreen but heavenbright wouldn't make it. I might even consider buying a HPS over heavenbright...
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Perhaps I misinterpreted your response. Apologies. But my point is im in no position to build a light. I just dont have the time or passion to make that commitment. So my only alternative is to purchase a commercial light. But this is the reason I mentioned in the survey "excluding diy". But again my apologies if I misinterpreted or misrepresented your words.
 
AquariusPanta

AquariusPanta

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EfficientWatt said:
WTF ?!?
Seriously ? For the price of one of your fixtures, just about anyone can expect to DIY a MUCH better fixture. A little time consuming, sure, maybe a little challenging at the start, but at the end, (much) better performance, and a more rewarding experience too.

EG : Your mothership, with it's close to 100W driven cobs, according to your website :

PPF: 1100~1275
Wattage : 580~605W
Price : 900$ (CXB3590)

Lets see :
2 x HLG 240H-C1750 - 200$
8 x CXB3590 3500 CD with lens and holder - 400$
2 x 56" 5.886 HSUSA profile : 215$
Some wiring and equipment at home depot : 85$

Total 900$

The DIY option is PASSIVE vs ACTIVE cooling for the same price, and most importantly, gives off close to 20% more light per watt. Or put differently, will give off a little more light, for a lower wattage, I see a tripple win for the DIY. Maybe that's just me tho :roll:

Now if you mean "not on par" performance wise, yes that's true, the DIY will beat your light by a mile.

Oh, btw, I am in no way affiliated with ANY of your competitors ...
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Have you ever built your own DIY cob fixture before? If you have, you should know that it takes practice to perfect the art of building these things; no one ever got it perfectly right the first time so to say that a DIY cob fixture would perform better than a commercial cob fixture could only be true in the case that the person building the DIY cob fixture carried established experience and knowledge and had a few builds under their belt, regardless of the parts used. Secondly, a bunch of us aren't running charities here. If you ever ran a business you'd know there are start up costs associated with such a feat, as well as annual costs - Uncle Sam wants his share, and so does PayPal. If you're worried about me getting mad-rich off my set prices, you should consider the fact that I'm offering the best $/PPF figure with my products among all other commercial VERO/CXB based fixtures. Now if you see a company publicly boasting about breaking a million dollars in gross profit, then go ahead and analyze their product(s) but you won't see me doing that anytime soon.

I'm curious, when you proposed your DIY option, was that your recipe, someone else's recipe. or a recipe that you drew up just to make a point?
 
OneHitDone

OneHitDone

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AquariusPanta said:
Have you ever built your own DIY cob fixture before? If you have, you should know that it takes practice to perfect the art of building these things; no one ever got it perfectly right the first time so to say that a DIY cob fixture would perform better than a commercial cob fixture could only be true in the case that the person building the DIY cob fixture carried established experience and knowledge and had a few builds under their belt, regardless of the parts used. Secondly, a bunch of us aren't running charities here. If you ever ran a business you'd know there are start up costs associated with such a feat, as well as annual costs - Uncle Sam wants his share, and so does PayPal. If you're worried about me getting mad-rich off my set prices, you should consider the fact that I'm offering the best $/PPF figure with my products among all other commercial VERO/CXB based fixtures. Now if you see a company publicly boasting about breaking a million dollars in gross profit, then go ahead and analyze their product(s) but you won't see me doing that anytime soon.

I'm curious, when you proposed your DIY option, was that your recipe, someone else's recipe. or a recipe that you drew up just to make a point?
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AP, Zip lips and show us about a pound under your Mothership and everyone will have a whole new respect for you ;)
 
EfficientWatt

EfficientWatt

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AquariusPanta said:
Have you ever built your own DIY cob fixture before? If you have, you should know that it takes practice to perfect the art of building these things; no one ever got it perfectly right the first time so to say that a DIY cob fixture would perform better than a commercial cob fixture could only be true in the case that the person building the DIY cob fixture carried established experience and knowledge and had a few builds under their belt, regardless of the parts used. Secondly, a bunch of us aren't running charities here. If you ever ran a business you'd know there are start up costs associated with such a feat, as well as annual costs - Uncle Sam wants his share, and so does PayPal. If you're worried about me getting mad-rich off my set prices, you should consider the fact that I'm offering the best $/PPF figure with my products among all other commercial VERO/CXB based fixtures. Now if you see a company publicly boasting about breaking a million dollars in gross profit, then go ahead and analyze their product(s) but you won't see me doing that anytime soon.

I'm curious, when you proposed your DIY option, was that your recipe, someone else's recipe. or a recipe that you drew up just to make a point?
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1) I'm building one as we speak. Yes, it does take time and knowledge, two things readily available to most people who hang out here.

2) I do run my own business, in a european country with extremly high taxes, so yeah, I know how that goes, you think uncle sam wants his share ? Try >20% VAT rate and local cost of labour here is off the roof compared to USA. I never said there was something wrong with making money. Just your products to me seem like a rip off, your lights offer the poorest performance from what I can see (see 3).

3) PPF/$ heh ? what I'm concerned with is more PPF/W ...

Your unit : 1.87 ppf/W, a good HPS is closer to 1.9 PPF/W. My build is about 2.4PPF/W.

So your unit DOES NOT beat a quality HPS in terms of total output, output/W or upfront cost nor long term cost, that's pretty poor isn't it ?
THAT DOES concern me when most people on this forum are doing the switch in the hope of performing (much) better than with a 'good old' hps.

Conclusion : I'll repeat again :
- I have nothing against companies making quality product and making a profit that way.
- I DO have a problem with companies taking advantage of the hype to make a profit by selling low quality products which are not on par with what people are expecting.
- I am for DIYing, although I do understand it is not for everyone, and I have already stated it is time consuming and will require some reading/knowledge and planning to get it right. Nothing to hard for someone who is a little passionate and spends the time to understand.

I use to like reading you, you've been on the led topics for years, but I don't like the 2015/2016 AP. Don't put it on me hating a company man, I have nothing against GG or Rahz starting up, for example.
But you changed AP, you switched sides, at least that's how I perceive it.

:peace:

EDIT : About the recipe, yes, it spontaneously came out of my head, with a little on the spot rough calculations. I have been reading and checking options so much, it kind of sticks.
1750mA is a great way to make an 'economical' use of CXB3590's. 67.5W seems like the max reasonable wattage to run them with still ok performance to me. IE PPF/$ without sacrificing to much PPF/W ...
 
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hotshotisdashit

hotshotisdashit

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OneHitDone said:
AP, Zip lips and show us about a pound under your Mothership and everyone will have a whole new respect for you ;)
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I think this is a good idea. Not to zip lips (thats just mean... Lol) but to show us a few plants/grows that youve done with your lights. I think this will help show some results with your product.
 
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