Mass Shooting at Florida Gay Club

NLXSK1

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Would you not have to take from Peter to give to Paul ? If that`s so, why aren`t they doing it ? Schools and public services are stripped of cash today.
Maybe because the federal government took in a record amount of revenue.... Send some of that back to the states and see how that helps.
 

Fogdog

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I think the connection has something to do with blaming the victim. And your assertion that accidental deaths and homicides would rise is based on pure fantasy.
No, I didn't blame him. I'm just saying that having a lot of valuables on a property and having it well known should be thought through with the safety of the family in mind. Because, of course it will be a target for thieves. That he had a shotgun ready kind of indicates he did think it through and I'm glad he made it and the thief did not. Maybe the outcome will be different next time -- his is a risky strategy. So, maybe think through alternatives, such as is it really necessary to have fasleep where the crop is grown and processed.

I still don't understand the connection with rape, which is an altogether different crime.

Its you who are wrong about the statistics regarding accidental deaths and homicides, this is very well documented. I've posted links to credible sources before and found it to be a waste of time. re: your posting.
 

NLXSK1

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No, I didn't blame him. I'm just saying that having a lot of valuables on a property and having it well known should be thought through with the safety of the family in mind. Because, of course it will be a target for thieves. That he had a shotgun ready kind of indicates he did think it through and I'm glad he made it and the thief did not. Maybe the outcome will be different next time -- his is a risky strategy. So, maybe think through alternatives, such as is it really necessary to have fasleep where the crop is grown and processed.

I still don't understand the connection with rape, which is an altogether different crime.

Its you who are wrong about the statistics regarding accidental deaths and homicides, this is very well documented. I've posted links to credible sources before and found it to be a waste of time. re: your posting.
So you admit the government is incapable of defending peoples property? That helps our argument, thanks!!
 

Fogdog

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"People shouldn't rob houses. " normal people logic.
What's this shit about liberal? Rich people, liberal or right wing take care to protect themselves from thieves. Reducing risk has nothing to do with political affiliation. Are you really putting your kid's lives on the line by doing this? Think it through, man.
 

fdd2blk

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No, I didn't blame him. I'm just saying that having a lot of valuables on a property and having it well known should be thought through with the safety of the family in mind. Because, of course it will be a target for thieves. That he had a shotgun ready kind of indicates he did think it through and I'm glad he made it and the thief did not. Maybe the outcome will be different next time -- his is a risky strategy. So, maybe think through alternatives, such as is it really necessary to have fasleep where the crop is grown and processed.

I still don't understand the connection with rape, which is an altogether different crime.

Its you who are wrong about the statistics regarding accidental deaths and homicides, this is very well documented. I've posted links to credible sources before and found it to be a waste of time. re: your posting.

How do you not see the comparison?

If you have a nice body and you wear a skirt you should expect to be a target.

You must be smoking some good weed. Everyone else gets it.
 

Fogdog

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How do you not see the comparison?

If you have a nice body and you wear a skirt you should expect to be a target.

You must be smoking some good weed. Everyone else gets it.
You say I blame victims and I don't. I do say that everybody should think through a situation and be smart about what they are doing. As a father, you bet I've had similar discussions with my daughter.

I'm not blaming the person who blames everything on liberals for his home invasion. I'm just saying that there might be better alternatives to consider rather than depending on an old shotgun as the first and only line of defense when he stores a large amount of valuable weed in his home.

I don't argue with drunks, I pay attention to where I am and what's going on, I don't frequent seedy bars, I don't hold valuables at home and if I did, I wouldn't let others know about it, I don't live in fear and don't own a gun. I'm also living in a safe neighborhood, know my neighbors and realize this isn't everybody's situation. I don't advocate for draconian gun control laws. I don't understand why this bothers so many of you gun owners.
 

fdd2blk

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You say I blame victims and I don't. I do say that everybody should think through a situation and be smart about what they are doing. As a father, you bet I've had similar discussions with my daughter.

I'm not blaming the person who blames everything on liberals for his home invasion. I'm just saying that there might be better alternatives to consider rather than depending on an old shotgun as the first and only line of defense when he stores a large amount of valuable weed in his home.

I don't argue with drunks, I pay attention to where I am and what's going on, I don't frequent seedy bars, I don't hold valuables at home and if I did, I wouldn't let others know about it, I don't live in fear and don't own a gun. I'm also living in a safe neighborhood, know my neighbors and realize this isn't everybody's situation. I don't advocate for draconian gun control laws. I don't understand why this bothers so many of you gun owners.
You are extremely confused. I don't even own a gun. I never have.
 

MuyLocoNC

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No, I didn't blame him. I'm just saying that having a lot of valuables on a property and having it well known should be thought through with the safety of the family in mind. Because, of course it will be a target for thieves. That he had a shotgun ready kind of indicates he did think it through and I'm glad he made it and the thief did not. Maybe the outcome will be different next time -- his is a risky strategy. So, maybe think through alternatives, such as is it really necessary to have fasleep where the crop is grown and processed.

I still don't understand the connection with rape, which is an altogether different crime.

Its you who are wrong about the statistics regarding accidental deaths and homicides, this is very well documented. I've posted links to credible sources before and found it to be a waste of time. re: your posting.
While you seem to be one of the more rational libs in here and likable to a degree, I would stipulate that your "credible" sources are anything but and their statistics are fabricated horseshit that rely on suicides to get the results they want, especially the government agencies. Anti-gun organizations laughingly disguised as nonpartisan groups and university studies by flaming liberals don't hold much water either. When Conservative groups and the NRA start pumping out the same numbers, despite not wanting to, then I'll buy it. Until then, it's all political horseshit to advance their ultimate goal, disarmament. Truth is to liberals as salt is to slugs.
 

Kalonji

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Sure they would. Except in every state with policies that make CCW easily obtainable. Good argument except for that pesky reality thing.
reality is different in the real world than in your cave. It's easy to make sense of things when you're dealing with shadows, rats and cave dwellers. The real world is complex and not reducible to idiot like simplicity. Realists would view your isolated, ignorant bigotry as merit-less trash and evidence of a failed upbringing, pretty much the same as how you are viewed here.
 

Kalonji

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While you seem to be one of the more rational libs in here and likable to a degree, I would stipulate that your "credible" sources are anything but and their statistics are fabricated horseshit that rely on suicides to get the results they want, especially the government agencies. Anti-gun organizations laughingly disguised as nonpartisan groups and university studies by flaming liberals don't hold much water either. When Conservative groups and the NRA start pumping out the same numbers, despite not wanting to, then I'll buy it. Until then, it's all political horseshit to advance their ultimate goal, disarmament. Truth is to liberals as salt is to slugs.
you are looking forward to agreeing with stats generated by the NRA. By that logic you like to get your nutrition facts from monsanto and your education from the liberty univ or trump univ. Your commitments are laughably ignorant. Your statements have a tone of bloated self importance coupled with stupefying devotion to clownish dogma.
 
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