Unconventional Organics

[MeJuana]

Orphan Crippler are you not adding air so this is an anaerobic bacterial process? I'm all about separating myth from fact so I would love to hear your results.

 

[TeamSuperman]

How much should I piss in my plants. Should I piss directly into the pots or should I pee into a cup and then mix it with water. I am thinking about the second route because I have trouble stopping midstream so measuring word be tough. What

So it's funny because last week I posted about using an urea foliar spray to promote blooming, and someone was like, I thought this was an organics forum.. and I'm sitting there thinking to myself "Urea is an organic compound derived from mammalian urine. It's literally where we get the word urine from." The other one that bothers me is ammonia. Ammonia is also a metabolic waste. Why are these things not considered organic?

 

[iHearAll]

Something I can not find much info on, Coquina.
From Wiki: "Coquina is mainly composed of the mineral calcite, often including some phosphate, in the form of seashells or coral." - "..and the coquina was burned and made into fertilizer." - "Because coquina often includes a component of phosphate, it is sometimes mined for use as fertilizer."

So trace phosphates, loads of calcium. Available in ton size stones, pounds size rocks, chunky gravel (like lava rock), and crushed (with sand or washed).

Anyone have any ideas of possible use? Char some washed/crushed on a grill plate and amend to soil in place of lime where lime is used?

you can char and extract Ca & P with vinegar or compost it. try conposting in bokashi but iv noticed that things that are typically underwater have a tough time breaking down without inititally break them down. shells for one. id like to see someone with a sustainable coral garden. that'd be sick.. this questions old, have you played around with your thoughts yet?

 

[iHearAll]

Orphan Crippler are you not adding air so this is an anaerobic bacterial process? I'm all about separating myth from fact so I would love to hear your results.

shouldn't he add some kind of concentrated microbe?? even a yeast starter takes constant feeding to grow a stable culture

 

[RuRu.The.Half.Elf]

you can char and extract Ca & P with vinegar or compost it. try conposting in bokashi but iv noticed that things that are typically underwater have a tough time breaking down without inititally break them down. shells for one. id like to see someone with a sustainable coral garden. that'd be sick.. this questions old, have you played around with your thoughts yet?

I was thinking about the gravel sized chunks for aeration.

I actually talked with some local garden club ol' biddys about making soil with just local stuff. Wild Muscadine grape leaves, palmetto fibers, Coquina gravel, gypsum "slime" from wells, local sources for livestock/chicken manure/hair/feathers, pond silt, Spanish moss (sun brewed plant tea, compost, aeration and mulch). Learned a bit and got even more ideas. Also got a free "Ice Cream" Banana pup.

What'cha mean by sustainable coral garden?

 

[iHearAll]

I was thinking about the gravel sized chunks for aeration.

I actually talked with some local garden club ol' biddys about making soil with just local stuff. Wild Muscadine grape leaves, palmetto fibers, Coquina gravel, gypsum "slime" from wells, local sources for livestock/chicken manure/hair/feathers, pond silt, Spanish moss (sun brewed plant tea, compost, aeration and mulch). Learned a bit and got even more ideas. Also got a free "Ice Cream" Banana pup.

What'cha mean by sustainable coral garden?

salt water aquarium with coral grows the coral realllly quickly if the water is tuned in just right.

but yea definitely make your own soil from local naterials. forest peat is awesome stuff but harvest SUstAinAbly cuz ot takes forever to form.

 

[subcool]

I have added Insect Frass to ythe mix we add 5 pounds

Sub

 

[Orphan Crippler]

Orphan Crippler are you not adding air so this is an anaerobic bacterial process? I'm all about separating myth from fact so I would love to hear your results.

Yes it is an anaerobic fermentation process much like the way BioBizz makes their solutions.
More info can be found at theunconventionalfarmer.com about brewing your own Fermented Plant extracts as well as formulating your own lactic acid cultures.

 

[Orphan Crippler]

shouldn't he add some kind of concentrated microbe?? even a yeast starter takes constant feeding to grow a stable culture

I have it the EM stands for effective microbes and can be bought from most places either as EM1/SCD probiotics or as pond cleaner at your local hardware store. EM ferments and extracts the nutrients into your solution creating a nice organic liquid nutrient concentrate.

 

[Orphan Crippler]

I have added Insect Frass to ythe mix we add 5 pounds

Sub

There has been some good results utilizing Cockroaches to digest food scraps / plant matter and creating a compost that is rich and full of microbes. Can't say for sure how Roach Poop stacks up against EWC but they are prolific breeders and eaters so they are easy to maintain according to what I have heard and can covert inputs into compost quickly.

 

[Orphan Crippler]

I have added Insect Frass to ythe mix we add 5 pounds

Sub

If you are the same SubCool as in the TGA guy well my friend been a fan for many years so keep on keeping on : )
Your pics of Pinky Day many years ago were something special.

 

[iHearAll]

I have it the EM stands for effective microbes and can be bought from most places either as EM1/SCD probiotics or as pond cleaner at your local hardware store. EM ferments and extracts the nutrients into your solution creating a nice organic liquid nutrient concentrate.

it's cultured from EM1 yes

 

[Michiganjesse]

I have added Insect Frass to ythe mix we add 5 pounds

Sub

Are you the real deal

 

[Orphan Crippler]

it's cultured from EM1 yes

Yes I used EM1

 

[Orphan Crippler]

Just my 2c I Think that many people do not show enough patience when making their own FPE and bottle after a week or two. If you want you solution to be as highly concentrated as possible leave the fermentation process for at least a month to ensure that all the nutrients possible have been extracted.
My fermented Banana/Papaya/Squash mix looked active at the 1 month mark so I left it for an additional two weeks before bottling.
What is nice is that these ferments will last at least a year in the bottle as I have not had a fong smelling surprise yet : )

 

[iHearAll]

Just my 2c I Think that many people do not show enough patience when making their own FPE and bottle after a week or two. If you want you solution to be as highly concentrated as possible leave the fermentation process for at least a month to ensure that all the nutrients possible have been extracted.
My fermented Banana/Papaya/Squash mix looked active at the 1 month mark so I left it for an additional two weeks before bottling.
What is nice is that these ferments will last at least a year in the bottle as I have not had a fong smelling surprise yet : )

yea i do about a month ferment at room temp or outdoors in the shade. then filter it, store the liquids in the fridge, and depending in what i just extracted i either compost it if its big stuff or mix it in the soil like bokashi if it's small particals (like juicer pulp).

good stuff orphan crippler

i use this garden technique in my vegetable garden as well. works fantastic. here's some of myJupiter OG grown in FKG and fed with FPE.

i cut these 36hours ago. looks good for having been grown in my kitchen scraps.

 

[Orphan Crippler]

Those nugs do look good there : ) Even better since you know what all your inputs are. 2 Claps on the back for you.

 

[Orphan Crippler]

Fermented plant juices is what it is called I think. I already have so many experiments right now or I'd try some of those also. It is said (without em1) the chances of making good bacteria are equally as well as making bad bacteria. (again without em1, we know with em1 the odds change back to our favor)

You can also use a couple capsules worth of probiotics which are also lactic acid bacteria.

 

[MeJuana]

Orphan ok I'm with it now fermented plant extract. I would try doing these experiements but I'm already at capacity for experiementing lol

 

[iHearAll]

yea if you use 1kilo organic mass to 1 liter of water to be fermented. the final product can be fed equal volume molasses (upon using) and should be diluted 1:100 in the watering can.
obviously the NPK value changes according to inputs but this way the concentration of each liquid you make will be the same.

but that's just in my tek. it really doesnt matter as long as you dont change the pH too too much in your plant's diet.