Dylann Roof Sentenced to Death for Charleston Church Shooting

twostrokenut

twostrokenut

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Fogdog said:
I get it. Roof is guilty beyond any question. I'm not caught up in a moral dilemma about "taking a life" or even a cost/benefit analysis. It's just that the judicial standard of "guilty beyond question" is not reliable. We know from DNA testing how unreliable the standard is. Also statistics show economic status and race is a factor in the application of capital punishment. And so, capital punishment isn't a just punishment in this society.

Don't get me wrong. I'm not going to shed tears for him when he's gone. Nor would I regret Cheney getting what he deserves for his war crimes. But that's not going to happen. Just saying. Life aint fair. I'd rather err on the side of eliminating capital punishment even for the people who unquestionably deserve it when innocent lives would also be taken. .
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I kinda see what you're saying. Remember the dude that stood up I think it was during the debates that said he spent x amount of time in prison then was found innocent? Neither candidate had shit really to say about it that amounted to much.

I could very well have just made that scene up while smoking weed though.
 
Padawanbater2

Padawanbater2

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Blunted 4 lyfe said:
I certainly couldn't forgive him if he took the life of someone I love for most killers I do have sympathy for and may possess redeemable qualities however this garbage has none that I feel strongly that compassion should be shown to, tmo.
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I agree. If Ridgway murdered someone I loved, I don't think I'd ever be able to forgive him for it. But I think my weakness really does show a contrast to their strength when it comes to actual forgiveness. It's like with the 1st amendment, people who truly support it still support it when people they disagree with say (or do when it comes to things like burning the American flag) abhorrent things because they believe the freedom to speak freely in an open society supersedes their own personal sensibilities. Forgiveness is a quality not based on the action, it's based on a deep emotional understanding of human psychology and sociology, and it takes someone strong beyond words to forgive the murderer of a loved one.
 
Fogdog

Fogdog

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twostrokenut said:
I kinda see what you're saying. Remember the dude that stood up I think it was during the debates that said he spent x amount of time in prison then was found innocent? Neither candidate had shit really to say about it that amounted to much.

I could very well have just made that scene up while smoking weed though.
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I have a problem with a state doing it at all. For exactly the same reason you cite. At least in your story, the innocent man lived long enough to see his innocence proven. Innocent people are killed though this punishment by those same mistakes. And so, I think it's time to recognize the limits of the justice system to accurately determine guild and avoid even the chance of killing an innocent by abolishing capital punishment. Including for Roof, who is as a despicable and most clearly a murderer as has come along in a long time.

That said, in his state under current law, Roof's going down. I can't agree but won't shed a tear.
 
Corso312

Corso312

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twostrokenut said:
I kinda see what you're saying. Remember the dude that stood up I think it was during the debates that said he spent x amount of time in prison then was found innocent? Neither candidate had shit really to say about it that amounted to much.

I could very well have just made that scene up while smoking weed though.
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I don't know who you are talking about, I'm a firm believer if somebody is sent to prison and is innocent, they should receive a hefty sum, but more importantly is get to the bottom of how and why it happened.. Cops lied? Send those pigs to prison and take their pension and put it in a fund for exonerated cons. Cops beat a false confession ( very common til around 2000) etc .

D.A. withhold evidence? Send them to prison, take their pension and toss that in the fund.

There is no accountability for police, district attorneys, judges, witnesses who commit perjury .
 
Rob Roy

Rob Roy

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st0wandgrow said:
I don't view a threat to my life and my wallet being a little lighter as equal threats. Taxes are a part of living in a civilized society. I don't always agree with how my tax dollars are spent, but I have no problem with paying them.

We will have to agree to disagree...
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Except you're now disagreeing with your previous position, which was you don't like threats of offensive force etc.

If you don't pay the forcible taxation and refuse to let them steal your home...won't your life be threatened then? Ultimately, wouldn't you be killed ? Isn't THAT a threat of offensive force foisted on a large part of "society" ?

If you don't agree with how your tax dollars are spent, why do you have "no problem" paying them. Also if you DID agree with how a person who took your money under threats of force spent it, does that justify the taking of it by force from others who don't agree?

What if Dylan Roof was a tax collector enforcer and the people he shot were peaceful people who simply refused to be extorted from and leave their home or church if the church hadn't been "granted" a tax exemption ..what then? Would he be a hero?
 
SneekyNinja

SneekyNinja

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Rob Roy said:
Except you're now disagreeing with your previous position, which was you don't like threats of offensive force etc.

If you don't pay the forcible taxation and refuse to let them steal your home...won't your life be threatened then? Ultimately, wouldn't you be killed ? Isn't THAT a threat of offensive force foisted on a large part of "society" ?

If you don't agree with how your tax dollars are spent, why do you have "no problem" paying them. Also if you DID agree with how a person who took your money under threats of force spent it, does that justify the taking of it by force from others who don't agree?

What if Dylan Roof was a tax collector enforcer and the people he shot were peaceful people who simply refused to be extorted from and leave their home or church if the church hadn't been "granted" a tax exemption ..what then? Would he be a hero?
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Pretty sure the IRS aren't taking people's primary residence unless they REALLY fuck up.
 
Rob Roy

Rob Roy

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SneekyNinja said:
Pretty sure the IRS aren't taking people's primary residence unless they REALLY fuck up.
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I was referring to local taxation where a home is held ransom. With all the various schemes and levels of taxation, I realize it's hard to sort them all out.
 
SneekyNinja

SneekyNinja

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Rob Roy said:
I was referring to local taxation where a home is held ransom. With all the various schemes and levels of taxation, I realize it's hard to sort them all out.
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Keep voting to change it, that's your right.

We'll be here in reality waiting for you.
 
Rob Roy

Rob Roy

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SneekyNinja said:
Nope, it's where (primarily) UV light causes THC to break down to CBD/CBN...

Do Bigfoots (Bigfeet?) not grow/smoke weed?
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Yes. Don't leave the weed in the sunlight.

I have consumed the herb since Nixon was the boss. I even have the groovy striped bell bottoms to prove it.
 
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