Budley Doright
Well-Known Member
Double bullshit .
I did not mean someone using ''organic'' bottled nutrients, I mean someone that really knows what they are doing, yield more with organic. Also yields a far superior product. But anyway I wanted to share my opinion and I did. never seen anyone yields more per sq ft than a properly vegged sub irrigated planter with living soil. Have fun with your bottles... ENDBullshit. Everyone knows synthetic yields more in a given pot size.
"Soilless" yields more for container size as you can grow huge plants in tiny containers with hydro, ect.. Synthetics themselves do not.Bullshit. Everyone knows synthetic yields more in a given pot size.
The earlier video explained it when she said that 50% of the sugar created by photosynthesis is sent to the roots to feed the bacteria & fungi in the rhizosphere. These bacteria & fungi then process organic matter to make it available to the plant. That's how organic works."Soilless" yields more for container size as you can grow huge plants in tiny containers with hydro, ect.. Synthetics themselves do not.
Feeding synthetics to a soil container will not yield more than a living soil container by some rule, as you are stating.
It is possible as all growers have different skills with their grow styles but organic soil containers have very healthy plants that yield great that you do not have to monitor and adjust feeding (which has a high skill cap.) Where in living soil you can just water with....well.....only water. Lot more room for error in synthetics to hurt yield.
Most growers do not realize that plants feed the soil organisms, which is why organic yields are generally lower than synthetic. Plants in organic mediums also need larger pots to accommodate a much more diverse rhizosphere.Plants only take up inorganic nutrients. They take up pure elements. Typically elements that are bound to a carbon molecule are what we mean by organic nutrients. These organic nutrients have to be converted to inorganic nutrients through the process of micro organisms consuming the organic carbon based elements and releasing the elemental inorganic plant available forms either as poop or by microbe death. So the biggest difference right off the bat is when growing organic, root zone temperatures need to ideally be above 68 degrees to start waking up microbe activity along with oxygen (most conversions are aerobic), which will convert the organic nutrient into inorganic form.
two problems tend to arise with Borgia can but can easily be managed: nutrient availability and sodium concentrations. If root zone temps are off or a low pH is present (microbes don't like that) your conversions will be slow or non exsistent. As well if using cheap fish fertilizers, sodium content is usually very high. Watch out for sodium increasing your EC values. It's important to check the drain EC REGULARLY. EC meters only pick up inorganic nutrients by sending an electrical charge through the water and return the resistance of the that reading back to the meter to show the overall concentration.
The only inorganic element usually found in organic fertilizers is NH4 or ammonium & and potassium sulfate. Although a synthetic inorganic nutrient, NH4 still needs bacteria in its availability process. This said, it is a good example of how the bacteria work for organic nutrient forms. Plants can up take this form of nitrogen, NH4, but most plants like the NO3 nitrate form more, which is also an inorganic form. They can store more NO3 than NH4. So two bacteria come along, naturally occurring all around us, called nitrosumonus and nitrobacter. They convert the NH4 to Nitrite and then nitrate, the plant available form when the root zone temps are usually above 65-68F. Amazing how nature works. Organics is really balance of natures behavior, while inorganics is a more scientific exact numbers game of adjusting ppm values. Organics to me is more of a ratios game than exact nutrient numbers.
However, let it be noted that many fish fertilizers and guano contain organic NO3 nitrogen. This means that nature already has done the conversion process and it was not instigated by man made processes.
However, again, compost teas are a good example of fermenting and colonizing natural airborne bacteria to convert the organic goodness in the tea to plant available forms though lots of (man) added oxygen through a bubbler or aerator. This is a great way to speed up the natural conversion processes for plant available forms derived from organic sources.
Just remember all organics need to be converted by root zone micro organisms to be used by plants.
Organic all the way. When the big boys come in and they will with monster green house no one will be able to keep up with them, but they will never be able to do it organically. But with all the robots and machines they will be selling pounds for 300 500 hundred hydroponically. I would learn how to grow organically if you are going to stay in business.
But yields less cannabinoids and terpenes, hydro might be great for weight but not great for quality.Bullshit. Everyone knows synthetic yields more in a given pot size.
Bullshit. Everyone knows synthetic yields more in a given pot size.
What if its organic hydro?But yields less cannabinoids and terpenes, hydro might be great for weight but not great for quality.
What do you mean, like a SIP? Cause a lot of people think they are doing organic when actually they are just doing drain to waste hydro. To me organic means the soil/microbes are the source of food and that source is breaking down materials and bonded with the rhizosphere or the plants, forming a symbiotic relationship.What if its organic hydro?
Where do you get this information?But yields less cannabinoids and terpenes, hydro might be great for weight but not great for quality.
Personal experience, aka growing the same cut in hydro and organic right next to each other under the same lights and then sampling the final product. It's also been documented that organic produces more flavonoids , antioxidents and other benefictial compounds since there's more trace minerals and micronutrients in the soil.Where do you get this information?
Sounds subjective to me.
I have a preference for organic, but coco DTW is my choice for indoor crops. (I just finished an outdoor crop in organic soil.)
So your test was subjective, as I suspected.Personal experience, aka growing the same cut in hydro and organic right next to each other under the same lights and then sampling the final product. It's also been documented that organic produces more flavonoids , antioxidents and other benefictial compounds since there's more trace minerals and micronutrients in the soil.
https://www.acs.org/content/acs/en/pressroom/newsreleases/2017/june/organic-conditions-boost-flavonoids-and-antioxidant-activity-in-onions.htmlSo your test was subjective, as I suspected.
Documented where? By who?
Shit gets "documented" daily on RIU by dumb fucks...