US Paid $1B to Green Climate Fund, Top Polluters Paid $0

twostrokenut

twostrokenut

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Grandpapy said:
Hmmm, Rest of the world wants cheap clean dependable and abundant wind and solar energy.

Meanwhile, we are no longer a leader in the world (win for Exxon, China and Russia).
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right, leading the world is a first world problem....
ok so let's go ask a guy in the undeveloped world who was bitten by a poisonous snake if he really cares what is powering the closest refrigerator holding the antivenom.....chances are the cheapest most efficient solution would put that fridge a little closer. could be pretty crucial for that dude.
 
twostrokenut

twostrokenut

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SneekyNinja said:
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If that's your argument for fossil fuels it's a pretty weak one.
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4wd vs 2wd though isn't it? also the dodge can make it to the beach and back today running the ac the whole way with the lights running and a few phones and laptops charging.

Tesla is cool tho.
 
Grandpapy

Grandpapy

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twostrokenut said:
right, leading the world is a first world problem....
ok so let's go ask a guy in the undeveloped world who was bitten by a poisonous snake if he really cares what is powering the closest refrigerator holding the antivenom.....chances are the cheapest most efficient solution would put that fridge a little closer. could be pretty crucial for that dude.
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I don't believe you understand the level of oil development, in what use to be underdeveloped.

"The biggest obstacles to economic engagement across Africa are the unknown and perceived risks."
https://www.uschamber.com/africa
Remember the other Donald, (Rumsfeld) The US Dept of Commerce is still in his court.

Yea, we need to sell ND Oil to China because Russia is too far from Beijing.:wall:

Perhaps the salesmen moved to DC when they seen they could no longer sell Ice to the Eskimos.
 
twostrokenut

twostrokenut

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Grandpapy said:
I don't believe you understand the level of oil development, in what use to be underdeveloped.

"The biggest obstacles to economic engagement across Africa are the unknown and perceived risks."
https://www.uschamber.com/africa
Remember the other Donald, (Rumsfeld) The US Dept of Commerce is still in his court.

Yea, we need to sell ND Oil to China because Russia is too far from Beijing.:wall:

Perhaps the salesmen moved to DC when they seen they could no longer sell Ice to the Eskimos.
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not sure what you're saying and I will read your link later.

are you saying solar and wind is the now solution for millions of people dying from such as cooking dinner over an open fire without proper ventilation?

because that's kind of what it sounds like.
 
twostrokenut

twostrokenut

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Grandpapy said:
You put in a road before an oil well, that would be a good time to put up a wind mill.
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if You can afford the windmill more power to you...(har har)....even so......
You still need the oil well to make more roads and produce and lube the windmill tho....and the water treatment, and the school, and the hospital...so on and so forth.

I mean I guess we could run pe numbers from the well vs the windmill to get a true mental image.....one windmill vs one oil well is giving wind a sort of comic hero persona imho

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_Roadways
 
ttystikk

ttystikk

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twostrokenut said:
if You can afford the windmill more power to you...(har har)....even so......
You still need the oil well to make more roads and produce and lube the windmill tho....and the water treatment, and the school, and the hospital...so on and so forth.

I mean I guess we could run pe numbers from the well vs the windmill to get a true mental image.....one windmill vs one oil well is giving wind a sort of comic hero persona imho

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_Roadways
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Denmark is in the midst of switching to renewables to power the whole country, from homes to farms to hospitals, offices and heavy industry.

There's nothing written in stone that says we have to use fossil fuels, including habit and existing infrastructure.
 
UncleBuck

UncleBuck

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twostrokenut said:
if You can afford the windmill more power to you...(har har)....even so......
You still need the oil well to make more roads and produce and lube the windmill tho....and the water treatment, and the school, and the hospital...so on and so forth.

I mean I guess we could run pe numbers from the well vs the windmill to get a true mental image.....one windmill vs one oil well is giving wind a sort of comic hero persona imho

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_Roadways
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why are you in a global warming thread at all?

you think it's all a jewish conspiracy.
 
Grandpapy

Grandpapy

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twostrokenut said:
if You can afford the windmill more power to you...(har har)....even so......
You still need the oil well to make more roads and produce and lube the windmill tho....and the water treatment, and the school, and the hospital...so on and so forth.

I mean I guess we could run pe numbers from the well vs the windmill to get a true mental image.....one windmill vs one oil well is giving wind a sort of comic hero persona imho

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_Roadways
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Perhaps you've been influenced.

With members of Congress paying special attention to Big Oil, the policy that elected representatives have developed does not reflect the interest of the public, which wants "affordable, reliable, clean sources of energy," Slocum says. A 2006 survey by the Pew Research Center found a majority of Americans across the political spectrum want an energy policy that emphasizes renewable and alternative sources of energy.

Over 10 years now, I sure would like to know how much this $500 billion Oil deal with Russia is gonna cost the "American" public in further hampering of clean energy technology.
 
ttystikk

ttystikk

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Grandpapy said:
Perhaps you've been influenced.

With members of Congress paying special attention to Big Oil, the policy that elected representatives have developed does not reflect the interest of the public, which wants "affordable, reliable, clean sources of energy," Slocum says. A 2006 survey by the Pew Research Center found a majority of Americans across the political spectrum want an energy policy that emphasizes renewable and alternative sources of energy.

Over 10 years now, I sure would like to know how much this $500 billion Oil deal with Russia is gonna cost the "American" public in further hampering of clean energy technology.
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The tech has already been developed and the prices have already dropped. What it will hamper is the implementation of renewable energy in this country.

A bad thing.

It will leave us vulnerable to the next oil shock, which is always a great excuse to send troops and bombs to the Middle East.

Coincidence? I think not!
 
Drowning-Man

Drowning-Man

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ttystikk said:
The tech has already been developed and the prices have already dropped. What it will hamper is the implementation of renewable energy in this country.

A bad thing.

It will leave us vulnerable to the next oil shock, which is always a great excuse to send troops and bombs to the Middle East.

Coincidence? I think not!
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We need to tap into our own oil. We have plenty.
 
ttystikk

ttystikk

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Drowning-Man said:
We need to tap into our own oil. We have plenty.
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We need to rebuild our energy infrastructure to take advantage of sources of energy that don't cost money.

Once the panel is in place, the sun is free.
Once the wind turbine is installed, the wind is free.

There's no way fossil fuels can compete with that.
 
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