Flushing

[MrsGreenThumb79]

Calm down everybody this was just supposed to be a discussion not an argument.

 

[Daveindiego]

Stupid ass House & Garden. Making millions, but they don’t even know what they’re talking about.

lulz.

 

[Daveindiego]

Calm down everybody this was just supposed to be a discussion not an argument.

This is the best thread this forum has had in a month.

Lulz

 

[jeepster1993]

I don't flush. I ease up on the last weeks feeding.
I have always figured I want the most vigorous, healthiest, best looking plants possible for my consumption.

 

[ISK]

This is the best thread this forum has had in a month.

Lulz

This is just another flush vs non-flush debate/pissing match.....this one is no better or worse than the other dozen flushing threads we have had in the past month

 

[Daveindiego]

This is just another flush vs non-flush debate/pissing match.....this one is no better or worse than the other dozen flushing threads we have had in the past month

Well, this thread is on page 5, and all the other threads on page 1 have about 5 replies on average.

 

[ISK]

Well, this thread is on page 5, and all the other threads on page 1 have about 5 replies on average.

so like 5 pages makes a difference.....still a repetitive debate that will never come to a conclusion.....it's like what came first, the chicken or the egg.

Argue/debate/slander/curse to flush or not to flush....there is no more to discuss as it up to each individual to flush or not, why do people keep on bringing up the subject.

BTW there are flushing threads that go on for dozens and dozens of pages.....so yours is rather short in comparison.

You could always try a defoliation thread....that's another overly debated subject with no decisive conclusions

 

[Daveindiego]

so like 5 pages makes a difference.....still a repetitive debate that will never come to a conclusion.....it's like what came first, the chicken or the egg.

Argue/debate/slander/curse to flush or not to flush....there is no more to discuss as it up to each individual to flush or not, why do people keep on bringing up the subject.

BTW there are flushing threads that go on for dozens and dozens of pages.....so yours is rather short in comparison.

You could always try a defoliation thread....that's another overly debated subject with no decisive conclusions

Triggered.

 

[Daveindiego]

So it seems that some people become rather ‘emotional’ over NOT flushing, and instead seem to prefer to ‘feed correctly’ and ‘wind down the nutrients’ at the end. Fuck flushing.

If that be the case, then what is a typical ‘wind it down’ in a PPM? Say the last 4 feeding PPMs?

 

[NanoGadget]

So it seems that some people become rather ‘emotional’ over NOT flushing, and instead seem to prefer to ‘feed correctly’ and ‘wind down the nutrients’ at the end. Fuck flushing.

If that be the case, then what is a typical ‘wind it down’ in a PPM? Say the last 4 feeding PPMs?

My last run was rDWC and my ppm topped out at 850. I brought that down to about 550 once the calyx had finished swelling and most of the pistils had receded most of the way and kept it there for about a week. Once the pistils had finished receding and the trichomes looked the way I wanted them to I gave them 72 hours of 150 ppm. Then I chopped.

 

[Indacouch]

Triggered.

That's an original response ...SMH ....your welcome

 

[Daveindiego]

My last run was rDWC and my ppm topped out at 850. I brought that down to about 550 once the calyx had finished swelling and most of the pistils had receded most of the way and kept it there for about a week. Once the pistils had finished receding and the trichomes looked the way I wanted them to I gave them 72 hours of 150 ppm. Then I chopped.

Thanks.

What do you mean ‘72 hours’? 2 feedings?

Is that 150 ppm consisting of an A/B base nutrients only?

How many weeks did your last run take?

What’s rDWC?



This seems to make some sense, and I appreciate the thoughtful answer.

 

[Daveindiego]

That's an original response ...SMH ....your welcome

Snowflakes melt.

“You’re”


You’re welcome.

 

[NanoGadget]

Thanks.

What do you mean ‘72 hours’? 2 feedings?

Is that 150 ppm consisting of an A/B base nutrients only?

How many weeks did your last run take?

What’s rDWC?



This seems to make some sense, and I appreciate the thoughtful answer.

rDWC stands for recirculating deep water culture and it's a type of hydroponics where the nutrient solution that the roots are in are kept in a constant state of recirculation which helps with oxygenation of the water and few other things. Anyway, in this context "keeping it at 150ppm for 72 hours" means that I either completely change out my nutrient reservoir and add nutrients until I got 150, or add clean, pH'd water until I got 150. It's a little harder in soil because what you put in interacts with what's already in the soil.

 

[Daveindiego]

rDWC stands for recirculating deep water culture and it's a type of hydroponics where the nutrient solution that the roots are in are kept in a constant state of recirculation which helps with oxygenation of the water and few other things. Anyway, in this context "keeping it at 150ppm for 72 hours" means that I either completely change out my nutrient reservoir and add nutrients until I got 150, or add clean, pH'd water until I got 150. It's a little harder in soil because what you put in interacts with what's already in the soil.

Now I completely understand. Thanks.

 

[zep_lover]

i run my ppm at 650.i get there by mixing my nutes to 1.2 ec.that is with pure water.they want you to follow their charts so you use alot more nutrients then needed and then use their flushing agent.i have ran both ways over the years and think the plants do better running lower ppm all the time.i take my cuttings and put in a bubbler with the same strength as i veg and flower with.650 ppm.none of my patients complain about taste.i now use jacks hydroponics mix which is dry and costs pennies a grow.some times when the plants move to stronger light i get a slight mag deficiency and just folier spray with epsom salt water mixed at 1/4 tsp pes standard spray bottle of water.

 

[Dr. Who]

So again, why would a nutrient manufacturer suggest a 3-5 day flushing of the plant? They aren’t selling a product to assist in flushing.

Why the fuck do you believe them anyway?
Hell, half your problem is H&G!
Way to many bottles of un-need, watered down, crap! They have you overfeeding anyway!
They have you spending a shit ton of your hard earned dollars on mostly, things you don't need!

Even some lines I liked for a long time, have you using things you just don't need!

Any "root" bottle = Kelp extract
Any Vitamin = Kelp extract
Any Amino = Kelp extract
Living bio (Myco's) = AACT
"Booster" = Why isn't it in the bloom and be one bottle at the right ratio? You can use less or more of a single bottled nutrient.

A simple 2 part works.
Not in soil? A simple 3 part works.
Hell, there are powdered nutrients that are one and done! You just feed differing amounts at the right times.

Flushing is a myth!

It's been said here, in this thread. You can not "flush" nutrients from a plant! Basic plant biology...

Read this, and the link at the end if you want more.

I got asked about this in a PM by a member after seeing the disaster another thread became. He asked where to find books and papers on "flushing" and said he might try the "fade".

Here's my answer to him......I felt it needs to be seen,,,,,,again!

Your looking for post grad work. You would do better to search papers......The thing is, NOTHING in agriculture gets 'flushed" and that leads to little to no research in the area. You see, the thing is, the whole "idea" of "flushing is nonsense! Plants don't work that way! They do not take up nutrients or salts as most of you think of them! They do not "store" them in the sense you think of them! Not only that, but the nutritional "stores" in a plant are not in buds or budding or flowers! NO amount of "flushing" will "exchange" plant "stored" nutrition back "out" of the plant! Scientifically impossible by the way most of you guys understand......Ok, that's my word on "flushing". (No one listens to this in threads if they don't want to hear it or accept it.)

Now then, you propose the "FADE TO FINISH" method. Great idea in theory but, and this IS a BIG BUT! Remember when I said above that "the nutritional "stores" in a plant are not in buds or budding or flowers!" ? This shoots that theory in the ass right away. You see the main amount of stored nutrition is in either the roots and the rest in leaves and some in small amounts in transit in the phloam (the sap that actually moves the nutrients around the plant)......

Now when you "starve a plant" it will draw from it's self by actually breaking down the needed parts of it's self to do an "emergency" attempt to reproduce! (This can happen in certain plants even in veg! A kind of last ditch effort to continue the species.)

With that in mind you take the fact that the plant is not "moving" nutrients "out" of buds, but into them to speed growth and as fast as it can - "reproduce". This single minded process the plant now puts it's self on, causes the plant to stress it's self. This self induced stress can, in many cases if done long enough, lead the plant to go bisexual, and produce "banana's" in a last ditch effort to reproduce and "carry on the line" and produce seeds...

Basically put, In reality you are moving nutrients that you're "attempting" to get rid of,,right to where your trying to remove them from! You are also stressing the plant in the way for "Herming" to actually happen easier!

I and many others that have tried to convey this actual plant science, are called everything you can think of and those 'impossible of understanding these facts", fight so hard against us that many of us have simply chosen to avoid the issue or don't fight to hard.

Anyway, there you are in as short and sweet and as simple/understandable as I can...

The thing is you have to understand Botany and Horticulture (and there are LOTS of subsections to those that are involved here) to truly put together the pieces of the puzzle to get your head wrapped around the idea that flushing and the "fade" don't work for what they are intended or alleged to actually do!

There you go Mods, nice, polite and to the point. (Sorry about the other thread Sunni)

There you go, Now have at it!
I'm stepping back to watch the circus.

Read this too!

https://www.rollitup.org/t/the-truth-about-flushing.409622/

Any more questions?

 

[MichiganMedGrower]

7 days and 1/2 gallon of water?

One more time....I’m using H&G nutrients, they call to flush for 3-5 days. They don’t sell anything for flushing.

Why do they recommend to flush their product with clean water? Anyone? Hello? Help?

Likely because the recomended concentrations are 2 or 3x too strong for cannabis and you have to eventually dilute it somehow or you will have overfed for months.

Fox farm over directs so much they have you flush constantly.

But professional food and flower producing greenhouses only stop feeding the last week to save money on the fertilizer. They feed by proper ppm's of nitrogen measured for their fertigation.

Of course they aren't trying to get the most canabanoids from their plants.

Also. The customers expect to need to flush from decades of being told too so they adjust their marketing and products to meet popular demand.

The president of dyna Grow admits in an interview he only made the bloom bottle due customer demand. Pot growers think extra pk makes more flowers so they wouldn't use only Grow nutes for pot. The tissue samples do not support Such less nitrogen in flower needed.

Now that everyone wants to flush they have dyna flush. Marketing and profit. I have used only a Grow ratio for years and in testing i watered only for 2 weeks 1 week and after my yellowing plants did not get me the results I needed when faded I learned to taper off the nutes during ripening. Their very last feed might be water only. Or they may still look like they need a little something. I want them to always have everything they need.

You can not "flush" anything out of the plant. Trying actually raises the concentration of mobile elements to the buds. You can rinse the medium but then you strip the cec of the soil and starve the plant of any needed elements.

Hope this helped.

 

[xtsho]

3 pages, no one has said why not to flush.

Not one reason to take another 7 days, and run some clean water through the plant.

Because it's a waste of time. What other reason do you need?

 

[xtsho]

Not one person can state why a manufacturer recommends to flush, when that manufacturer makes nothing financially off the flush.

The nutes I use don't recommend that you flush. The manufacturer might tell you to use a certain amount as well but it will end up burning your plants. Nutrient companies are in it for the money. You can't listen to anything they have to say. It's not as if they are the holy grail of cannabis growing knowledge.