The Trade war between the US and Communist China

Unclebaldrick

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Between gerrymandering, church organization, and lazy azz voters the Russians didn't need much help.
I see what you are saying, but I think that their participation was critical. The Russians have many decades of manipulating, lying and undermining progress using uneducated sheep-people. They brilliantly leveraged this onto our society once the internet paved a way into the minds of our poor crackers. We have always had this type of people here, but they have been suppressed in most places since the 1960s. Once they could connect with each other and share the racist and hateful thoughts on the internet that they could not share in polite society, they became a political movement again.

They must be hunted down and suppressed again. Thank you Antifa.

But your assertion that the foundation was already there is well founded.
 
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radiant Rudy

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“I don’t think we’re having a recession… “We’re doing tremendously well. Our consumers are rich. I gave a tremendous tax cut and they’re loaded up with money.”

Trump is thoughtless swine, crook, cheat, liar and grotesque con man.

58% of Americans Have Less Than $1,000 in Savings, Survey Finds

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://finance.yahoo.com/news/58-americans-less-1-000-090000503.html&ved=2ahUKEwiZ7r-0gY_kAhUo2FkKHVhDDAUQFjAAegQIAxAB&usg=AOvVaw1nEZ7spY6025gzNedcOsF2
 

Fogdog

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Racism that was stirred up hard over the Obama years leading up to the election by Russian (if not other) disinformation campaigns. The majority that voted for Trump may not have been swayed by it, but the suppression campaign in the Arabic and African American communities was very real and did affect the outcome in Michigan.
Yes, propaganda was used by right wing economic elites to take advantage of the racism and fear of the middle and lower classes that was already present among the white majority. I think we are both right on this one. The only difference is which was the greater effect -- systemic and persistent racism or propaganda. IMO, propaganda doesn't change minds it directs and hardens opinions that were already there.
 

hanimmal

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Yes, propaganda was used by right wing economic elites to take advantage of the racism and fear of the middle and lower classes that was already present among the white majority. I think we are both right on this one. The only difference is which was the greater effect -- systemic and persistent racism or propaganda. IMO, propaganda doesn't change minds it directs and hardens opinions that were already there.
It wasn't just racism either in 2016. Misogyny was as much to do with Clinton's loss as anything, it was very amped up by the trolls too. That is what got my dad ultimately, he started to really hate women.

I am worried that we still are missing the bigger picture with this as a whole, It is using vulnerabilities in every single way for every demographic that is being used to propagandize our citizens. By flipping the right combination of switches in our electorate they might be able to really pick some horrible candidates and get them elected.
 

Fogdog

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It wasn't just racism either in 2016. Misogyny was as much to do with Clinton's loss as anything, it was very amped up by the trolls too. That is what got my dad ultimately, he started to really hate women.

I am worried that we still are missing the bigger picture with this as a whole, It is using vulnerabilities in every single way for every demographic that is being used to propagandize our citizens. By flipping the right combination of switches in our electorate they might be able to really pick some horrible candidates and get them elected.
yep, they are getting really good at that. Zuckerberg is an asshole too.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Facebook–Cambridge_Analytica_data_scandal
 

ttystikk

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All this explaining ignores two basic facts;

One, that America has been hands down the worst offender in modern history when it comes to interfering in the elections and governance of other countries; over 100 examples since 1895, all around the world including Russia.

Two, that Mr Obama and the Democrats serving with him did not help the average American's economic situation- even when when they had a super majority.

Until they (nevermind the rest of you) face those facts, Democrats are going to continue to struggle at the polls.
 

Fogdog

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All this explaining ignores two basic facts;

One, that America has been hands down the worst offender in modern history when it comes to interfering in the elections and governance of other countries; over 100 examples since 1895, all around the world including Russia.

Two, that Mr Obama and the Democrats serving with him did not help the average American's economic situation- even when when they had a super majority.

Until they (nevermind the rest of you) face those facts, Democrats are going to continue to struggle at the polls.
You suck Xi Jinping's dick too?
 
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hanimmal

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All this explaining ignores two basic facts;

One, that America has been hands down the worst offender in modern history when it comes to interfering in the elections and governance of other countries; over 100 examples since 1895, all around the world including Russia.

Two, that Mr Obama and the Democrats serving with him did not help the average American's economic situation- even when when they had a super majority.

Until they (nevermind the rest of you) face those facts, Democrats are going to continue to struggle at the polls.
This is the two guys each pushed a old lady down. One pushed her to steal her purse, the other to push her out of the way of a bus.

And seriously the but Obama bit? If you swallowed this lie during Obama's presidency, whats the point of explaining all of the ways the economy stabilized then had slow but solid growth. In 2 years they had power the Democrats its not like they stopped an economic collapse that the Wealthy White Male Only Party created just before Obama took office, nor brought the national health insurance coverage to over 90%.

The racist backlash combined with the online disinformation campaign has been overtime trying to convince everyone that you can't have a Not Only Wealthy White Male Political agenda without it being socialism. Good luck with this obvious play at trying to make it ok that Trump worked with the Russians.

Was there some memo that your handlers gave you to start trolling this? Trump must have Brad Parscale pushing you guys hard.
 

Moses Mobetta

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All this explaining ignores two basic facts;

One, that America has been hands down the worst offender in modern history when it comes to interfering in the elections and governance of other countries; over 100 examples since 1895, all around the world including Russia.

Two, that Mr Obama and the Democrats serving with him did not help the average American's economic situation- even when when they had a super majority.

Until they (nevermind the rest of you) face those facts, Democrats are going to continue to struggle at the polls.
What planet did this happen on?
 

abandonconflict

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"We (Google) disabled 210 channels on YouTube when we discovered channels in this network behaved in a coordinated manner while uploading videos related to the ongoing protests in Hong Kong". The action by the Google-owned service came this week as Twitter and Facebook accused the Chinese government of backing a social media campaign to discredit Hong Kong's pro-democracy movement and sow political discord in the city.
https://www.rappler.com/technology/news/238346-google-says-youtube-campaign-targeted-hong-kong-protests-august-2019

While they insist that the CIA is behind the protests.
 

xox

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i just watched this i hope it gives the chinese a black eye, after watching it it paints the Chinese worker like indoctrinated slaves from birth starting with the very rigid school system they have. its like there okay with working for little money and only seeing there children a couple times a year. should stop buying products from china entirely i dont understand why we trade with them at all.
 

Unclebaldrick

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So this morning Trump was asked if he had any second thoughts on escalating the trade war. He answered that he did and said "I have second thoughts and n everything".

The White House press agency just clarified this and said that he regrets not making tariffs higher on China - something he could easily do now.

Who is running this shit show? It clearly isn't Trimp.
 

Unclebaldrick

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i just watched this i hope it gives the chinese a black eye, after watching it it paints the Chinese worker like indoctrinated slaves from birth starting with the very rigid school system they have. its like there okay with working for little money and only seeing there children a couple times a year. should stop buying products from china entirely i dont understand why we trade with them at all.
Because we don't want to pay a lot more for the things we buy. It is as simple as that.
 
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