oldsilvertip55
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A little pricer but i would spend a little more to get what is right in the long run. i forget manners good evening sedan!
Vert(600+400) 5 plant, from Ukraine with love
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Sedan
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Good morning.))
Bro, we are on different sides of the globe.))
Yes, I highly recommend that you spend a little more money once and buy a normal thing. Osram gives a guarantee for its diodes for 8 years. You will regain the difference in price, due to save electricity.
As for the microgrow or stealth, this is ideal.
Sedan
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I would still like to make a remark to Sylvania Grolux.
The property of LED lights is a large light loss with distance. 30-40 cm from the surface of the meadow is the maximum effect .. For greater efficiency, I would push the strip wider, because the lighting area of 400 watts OSRAM is much larger than the area of the lamp itself, which we see in the photo. And oblique rays are not so effective. It turns out that the meadow is illuminated unevenly.
Therefore, we make fixtures specifically for the box, first we find out the dimensions of the box, then we select the configuration. This can be offset 30% efficiency. What we see in the works of my students is the technology of grow, this is not light.)) Therefore, OSRAM experts do not pay attention to this. Most likely, they emphasized the compactness of the lamp itself, because if it were done correctly, it would be of enormous size ... as is often the case with us. Recently, a lamp was made to a client with dimensions of 1.5mX0.7m- for an area of 1.5mX1m +, just this area can be illuminated by 400W of OSRAM, we lower it 30-40 cm above the meadow, and the whole meadow is illuminated evenly. In the same lamp, Sylvia Grolux we see
Abmessung Grundgehäuse (LxBxH): 760 x 415 x 169 mm
The property of LED lights is a large light loss with distance. 30-40 cm from the surface of the meadow is the maximum effect .. For greater efficiency, I would push the strip wider, because the lighting area of 400 watts OSRAM is much larger than the area of the lamp itself, which we see in the photo. And oblique rays are not so effective. It turns out that the meadow is illuminated unevenly.
Therefore, we make fixtures specifically for the box, first we find out the dimensions of the box, then we select the configuration. This can be offset 30% efficiency. What we see in the works of my students is the technology of grow, this is not light.)) Therefore, OSRAM experts do not pay attention to this. Most likely, they emphasized the compactness of the lamp itself, because if it were done correctly, it would be of enormous size ... as is often the case with us. Recently, a lamp was made to a client with dimensions of 1.5mX0.7m- for an area of 1.5mX1m +, just this area can be illuminated by 400W of OSRAM, we lower it 30-40 cm above the meadow, and the whole meadow is illuminated evenly. In the same lamp, Sylvia Grolux we see
Abmessung Grundgehäuse (LxBxH): 760 x 415 x 169 mm
Kassiopeija
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Hello, you've got an interesting discussion here. 
1. Main photosynthesis light with a balanced spectrum (white) and a high PAR efficiency
2. UVB-UVA-NearUV-(various cyans/blues)
3. 660nm Deep Reds
4. 730nm Far Reds (+maybe IR to increase night time temperature)
perhaps 3+4 combined (still undecided on this...)
It's labeled to light out 1.20m x 1.20m but isn't its width too small for this? Do you, by chance, know a graphical recording of the canopy lux/umols just like this one: (just as an example)
^^ too weak on the outside
so one could simply adapt the light dispersion to different growth tents like (0.8m)^2 to (1.5m)^2 or even irrelgular ones like 0.8m x 1.5m? This way, one light could target more different setups - esp. when dimmable....
What's strange is that they write that this light does also give out a small amout of UV:
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Das richtige Spektrum
Das "Universal" Spektrum ist optimal für die Nutzung ohne natürliches Sonnenlicht. Es kann daher als alleinige Lichtquelle für die Produktion von Pflanzen im Indoor-Bereich verwendet werden. Mit dieser Option ist das gesamte Spektrum inklusive Far-Red abgedeckt. Zusätzlich enthält es eine geringe und ungefährliche Menge an UV, welches nachweislich einen positiven Einfluss auf Wachstum, Blüte und Qualität von Pflanzen hat. "
but that doesn't seem to be the case:
depending on what systematic one uses UVA ends at 380nm or 400nm.
The Sylvania lamp has its diodes shielded by glass - which is known to absorb UV-radiation rather well...
this one looks interesting but it seems like the very top colas won't get direct light from the lamps...? what lights are those?
Please ask - I'm from Germany and am currently in the wake of designing 2 entirely similar small growth chambers in order to do controlled comparative grows... I need a 2 boards with each, at least 3, perhaps even 4, separate channels/drivers:
1. Main photosynthesis light with a balanced spectrum (white) and a high PAR efficiency
2. UVB-UVA-NearUV-(various cyans/blues)
3. 660nm Deep Reds
4. 730nm Far Reds (+maybe IR to increase night time temperature)
perhaps 3+4 combined (still undecided on this...)
This is a very good light indeed but I feel it still lacks some stuff to be perfect...
It's labeled to light out 1.20m x 1.20m but isn't its width too small for this? Do you, by chance, know a graphical recording of the canopy lux/umols just like this one: (just as an example)
^^ too weak on the outside
wouldn't it then be a good idea to design a board where the individual heatsinks could be arranged dynamically? like
L: 600-1200 x W: 600-1200 x H: (irrelevant)
so one could simply adapt the light dispersion to different growth tents like (0.8m)^2 to (1.5m)^2 or even irrelgular ones like 0.8m x 1.5m? This way, one light could target more different setups - esp. when dimmable....
What they could so also is to integrate more 550nm light because the bandwith from 520nm-600nm can penetrate deeper into (or through) the leaves - also increasing canopy penetration, and also, this radiation does cause less heatspots, which is important when diodes are close.
What's strange is that they write that this light does also give out a small amout of UV:
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Das richtige Spektrum
Das "Universal" Spektrum ist optimal für die Nutzung ohne natürliches Sonnenlicht. Es kann daher als alleinige Lichtquelle für die Produktion von Pflanzen im Indoor-Bereich verwendet werden. Mit dieser Option ist das gesamte Spektrum inklusive Far-Red abgedeckt. Zusätzlich enthält es eine geringe und ungefährliche Menge an UV, welches nachweislich einen positiven Einfluss auf Wachstum, Blüte und Qualität von Pflanzen hat. "
but that doesn't seem to be the case:
depending on what systematic one uses UVA ends at 380nm or 400nm.
The Sylvania lamp has its diodes shielded by glass - which is known to absorb UV-radiation rather well...
Sedan
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There 2X600 watts of sodium Philips Green Power.
We know that such lamps illuminate in a circle evenly.
To get the light to the top, he bent the reflector up. They grow up, will bend even more.
Now it looks like this
First, I want to say that I’m the same electronics as the violinist from Schwarzenegger.))
Bro, I'm a builder, my specialty is an engineer-technologist.
About electronics, I have only a superficial idea.
Yes, I will ask George where he bought the OSRA M strip in Bonn.
As for the rest, I have already said that every year OSRAM holds a conference in Moscow, our representative attends this conference regularly. OSRAM is the first company in the world that has developed a set of diodes specifically for growing hemp. They conducted experiments with hemp specifically. Therefore, with regard to the spectra and everything else, we clearly adhere to the recommendations of OSRAM.
I know for sure that the Sylvania Grolux sodium Suite is one of the best in its class. When these lamps were made in Belgium, they were the most expensive of the sodium. Now, when in Europe the demand for these lamps disappeared, Sylvania Growlux is already being made in China - they are cheap.
As for the LED lamp of Sylvania, which is higher, I think that there the diodes are the same as OSRAM offers us.
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Kassiopeija
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This is a very interesting approach. It's sort of a combination of the horizontal & vertical approach, but I don't think it'll reach the same efficiency in the usage of the lamps output like your silo-grow - the light gets partially reflected and a bit weaker, but the lux will increase in these areas as well. But he'll cut vegtime enormously down - how does he fertigate?
Friend, I didn't understand that, but I like Schwarzenegger alot! Schwarzenegger for president
Yes, me too, 600w Sylvania Grolux HPS was my main growlight indoors for years. Got it from China.
But prices of electricity are skyrocketing due to the green wave and thus, expensive LED tech becomes more reasonable. The summer heat also gets worse with every year, I'm feeling this clearly.
The price is a good way to regulate certain demands in fields of interest.
thanks for the link
Sedan
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Yes, just like in the case of a 37-watt microgrove, this is a combination of vertical and horizontal cultivation medodes. All this to increase productivity technologically, without adding power.
I don’t understand this word))
this means that if Schwarzenegger would be a violinist now, then I could be an electronic engineer then. This is a joke, as Russians say, when they want to express what is impossible. Not necessarily Schwarzenegger, anyone. It’s impossible to imagine Schwarzenegger as a violinist, there are few brains and creativity.
Yes, Schwarzenegger in my childhood was my one of the most beloved actors in Hollywood. True lie .. Terminator. And I was very disappointed in him when I found out that he starred in porn and achieved his success thanks to his wife. It is very disgusting for me when a man humbles himself in front of a woman because of money. He could not even afford a normal lover, as a star should.))) He was afraid of his wife, like fire.)))
If not for Kennedy, there would be no Terminator. As an actor, he is pathetic and causes only a smile when he begins to play according to Stanislavsky.
And he did not succeed in becoming president, no matter how hard his wife tried, ... it turns out that to be president, it is not enough to be a terminator, you also need a small part of the brain at least.)))
oldsilvertip55
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I have much to learn and to do trying for a self build of led .thanks for insight,sedan!
Kassiopeija
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I'm sorry I mixed it up with "irrigate" - I mean how does he give water to the pots - the ones at the center seem a bit hard to reach...
Porn? oh my God, you see how it is in Hollywood, once you have a beautiful body... and I don't want to know how bad their weman are treated with all those sex-exploitive scandals and shit... too much decadency in some regions of their society there... just look at Charlie Sheen, that guy infected hundreds - maybe thousands with HIV just because he couldn't controll himself and onlöy thinks of himselves, not his brothers and sisters.... a shame
but seriously, Schwarzenegger was quite intelligent as Governor, he managed to find a right balance between the 2 major US american political factions. But his legacy clearly are his movies... Conan the Barbarian was it for me, not because of him the whole movie is just a classic, esp. because of the long scene where you just see the medieval landscape underlayed by impressive emotional film-music - I still listen to that when I read books, the score by Basil Poledouris.
I think he knows he's a bad actor - but when he plays a savage or mechanical robot - that doesn't matter much - perhaps it adds an involuntarily sense of humour to it - he even makes fun of this/himself in the Terminator-series - when the robot "tries" to laugh (esp. in T3 - where the female opponent outplays him at ease). And it's been nice from him by paying a large part of the huge demolition with his own money - that's sort of a dedication you'll hardly find in Hollywood at all.
Sedan
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I also say absolutely seriously: Schwarzenegger is one of the favorite actors of my childhood. It has an extraordinary charm and impressiveness, despite the fact that it looks scary.)) I watched all the films with his participation. Very often I review them now. I return to childhood.)))
In the capitalist world, everything is based on material values, lust and pleasures: people live exclusively by this, caring exclusively about themselves, they do not care about the rest. This is western democracy.
But this is already in the past, people like me have already become extinct, like brontosaurs.))) I’m a museum exhibit.))) You can understand from me what people had in mind during the Soviet Union.))) And it's really guys !
What is happening now in the Russian show business is indescribable, in many aspects of the dirt, it is possibly superior to Hollywood. There is only debauchery, perversion and drugs. All of this from their lives is splashed onto the screens of movie theaters. Cinema in Russia has turned into something between a porn film, Conan the barbarian and the Benny Hill show - it's disgusting to watch.
After he broke up with Kennedy, his affairs began to decline. All his films over the past fifteen years are a dummy.
I also say absolutely seriously: Schwarzenegger is one of the favorite actors of my childhood. It has an extraordinary charm and impressiveness, despite the fact that it looks scary.)) I watched all the films with his participation. Very often I review them now. I return to childhood.)))
If you have electronic skills, then you will not have any problems. I know many guys who started small with simple growers on the forum, and eventually turned into high-class specialists in LED lighting. There are also such ones here. ANC is one of them.
This is his past job.
This is my Soviet upbringing, Bro.))) There is a very strict morality based on spiritual values. It’s a shame for me to trade my body or live off of a woman, which is essentially the same. You can’t re-educate me.
In the capitalist world, everything is based on material values, lust and pleasures: people live exclusively by this, caring exclusively about themselves, they do not care about the rest. This is western democracy.
But this is already in the past, people like me have already become extinct, like brontosaurs.))) I’m a museum exhibit.))) You can understand from me what people had in mind during the Soviet Union.))) And it's really guys !
What is happening now in the Russian show business is indescribable, in many aspects of the dirt, it is possibly superior to Hollywood. There is only debauchery, perversion and drugs. All of this from their lives is splashed onto the screens of movie theaters. Cinema in Russia has turned into something between a porn film, Conan the barbarian and the Benny Hill show - it's disgusting to watch.
His father tried for Charlie Sheen .. I don’t remember his name .. the film "Platoon" was such once. Charlie Sheen did not need to achieve anything - he was presented with all this from childhood. He is a spoiled child, thinking that everything is allowed to him. I do not perceive him as an actor. Even comedic roles he was not very successful.
Yes, I know that when Schwarzenegger started having heart problems and could not act in films, Kennedy appointed him as governor, hoping to push him into the presidency, like Reagan, even against the law, because a foreigner cannot be president. For some reason, she ... and her family did not succeed in returning the Kennedy clan (represented by Schwarzenegger) to the US throne.
After he broke up with Kennedy, his affairs began to decline. All his films over the past fifteen years are a dummy.
I also say absolutely seriously: Schwarzenegger is one of the favorite actors of my childhood. It has an extraordinary charm and impressiveness, despite the fact that it looks scary.)) I watched all the films with his participation. Very often I review them now. I return to childhood.)))
Sedan
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Hello, comrade!
excellent result! Congratulations!
PS to me for a long time, about 3 months. This year was not very successful for me in terms of growing.
gr865
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Yes my friend, mine was not all successful, did not get my weight and the buds were not as tight as my usual grows.
I have run these lamps for about 5 grows so going to change them with my next grow.
Sedan
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Yes, from five cycles the lamps may not shine so brightly. In addition, you have long cycles in the vertical method. I used sodium lamps for no more than 2 years.
Perhaps that is why the buds were not so dense.
Remind me bro, what brand of lamp do you have?
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