Lockdowns work.

[DIY-HP-LED]

tbh the german numbers give me a headache.

first of all, we had a national debate here why our clinical system was shattered by Corona (basically the outsourcing of state property to the free market caused the lack of catastrophy-backups due to capitalistic reasons.

Nevertheless, we effectively prevent the people from dying and I don't think the demographic change is responsible for this. Because, US, Ger, France, Italy, Spain have rather the same structure - if you say compare to Central Africa it look totally different.

So what is it? Ventilators? Staff? Rooms...?

Are they organising for convalescent plasma collection and treatments in europe yet? Getting ready to start immediately upon a positive clinical trial? How about making remdesivir in europe? These are the two big potential treatment options that might have the biggest impact on mortality rates.

 

[Fogdog]

They're going to all be open long before there's a vaccine or herd immunity. I suggest all boomers isolate themselves so as not to die while the able continue having a society.

I just checked and lockdowns are still working.

Yesterday's data vs projections from one of the models the CDC used to project the effects of the lockdown:

Number of deaths per day:

Model projected for 5/1: mean: 1,049. maximum: 3067
Actual: 1,897

within 2 weeks, they project the number to be down to about 300 with the maximum dead that day to be 1300. By then, if we have adequate testing in place, we'll be ready to start opening up. That's a good thing, right?

Totally agree that for people of advanced age and those with conditions that render them most susceptible to the effects of coronavirus, they should continue to maintain stricter social distancing practices. The outlook for them is really bad until a vaccine can be developed.

 

[Fogdog]

All of your numbers are off mainly because your stats lack attribution. You need to cite something.
The infection fatality rate won't be the same everywhere. The only peer reviewed IFR I have seen is the Gangelt study where a city in Germany has an IFR of .37%. Herd immunity begins at 50%.

Making predictions of how many will die is always wrong. Flat out, it is never correct. Even your number for the US population is way off. If you want to make a prediction despite this I will give you a hint, you need to base this off of age death rates. This is a disease that, by and large, kills the old and the fat. In fact, it's becoming clear that it's more of a coronary disease than a pulmonary. The number of people who are likely to die of this disease are dying, when they're dead, the death rate will diminish.

lulz

That's pretty easy to say because predictions are always wrong. A prediction that is off by 100% for something as variable as this epidemic is often considered good. Most reports I've read put the point at which this virus won't spread at 70%. But then again, that's a prediction and is most likely wrong too.

You should just listen to the experts rather than spout off like the ignorant fool we have for prezydint.

The lockdown has worked great. The days when we can begin to end it are approaching and I hope we have adequate testing in place so that we can open up.

Too bad for your tourist industry gig, though. What's you plan B?

 

[rkymtnman]

Too bad for your tourist industry gig, though. What's you plan B?

I hear scuba diving for Titleists in golf course ponds can be quite lucrative.

 

[Fogdog]

I hear scuba diving for Titleists in golf course ponds can be quite lucrative.

AC is a technical diver and could probably work for an oil company as a commercial diver. From what he says (take that with a grain of salt), he's an U/W welder, not a trivial skill. So, wait a bit. Once it's in his interest to do so, he will start calling the science behind the climate crisis a hoax too.

 

[rkymtnman]

he's an U/W welder,

According to commercial divers and global statistics, the average underwater welding salary is $53,990 annually and $25.96 per hour

Or you could sell once-dunked balls for $20 bucks a dozen. Climate change is messing up golfer's yardages and more balls are going in the drink.

 

[Fogdog]

According to commercial divers and global statistics, the average underwater welding salary is $53,990 annually and $25.96 per hour

Or you could sell once-dunked balls for $20 bucks a dozen. Climate change is messing up golfer's yardages and more balls are going in the drink.

Haven't golf courses gotten hammered too? I'm pretty sure there aren't enough duffers out there to support all the people willing to dive in polluted ponds for golf balls. So, he has other skills. One nice thing about his diving is nobody will have to listen to his whines and fake sciency remarks while he's working.

I think that $53k/yr is a really good wage in the Phillippines. It's a plan B. Of course plan A: a destination dive-resort tourism business, that didn't account for the virus, was preferable. Railing against lockdowns isn't going to save Plan A. So, on to plan B. I don't think being an anti-science troll pays nearly as well.

That said, regardless of his callous remarks about other people's lives, I'm sympathetic about his losses.

 

[Fogdog]

Too bad for Putin that he can't gaslight an epidemic to cover a policy mistake. Lockdowns work. Ignoring expert advice on this might even topple the Russian dictator.

MOSCOW — About one-third of the workers at a vast natural gas field in Russia’s far northeast have tested positive for the coronavirus.

Olga Balabkina, deputy head of the local government in the Sakha republic, says more than 3,000 of the Chayandinskoye fields 10,000 workers have tested positive, according to Russian news agencies.

Employees of one of the contractors at the field reportedly held a protest this week, claiming insufficient measures taken against the spread of the virus.

The Latest: Hundreds protest Oregon's stay-at-home order

Hundreds opposed to Oregon’s stay-at-home order demonstrated at the state Capitol as health officials announced dozens more cases and five additional deaths from COVID-19

abcnews.go.com

 

[Budley Doright]

Haven't golf courses gotten hammered too? I'm pretty sure there aren't enough duffers out there to support all the people willing to dive in polluted ponds for golf balls. So, he has other skills. One nice thing about his diving is nobody will have to listen to his whines and fake sciency remarks while he's working.

I think that $53k/yr is a really good wage in the Phillippines. It's a plan B. Of course plan A: a destination dive-resort tourism business, that didn't account for the virus, was preferable. Railing against lockdowns isn't going to save Plan A. So, on to plan B. I don't think being an anti-science troll pays nearly as well.

That said, regardless of his callous remarks about other people's lives, I'm sympathetic about his losses.

I know a couple of commercial divers and they make far more than $53,000 a year but two is not a good base for averages. I too feel bad for anyone who has lost someone from this virus but according too AC it’s only the fat and old (that would prefer to die anyways) as he stated, “I'm not really sorry to say it, but a lot of the crusty olds would rather just die in peace than in solitude.” Hard to even think there is much remorse but more blame for their lifestyle and longevity.

 

[Fogdog]

I know a couple of commercial divers and they make far more than $53,000 a year but two is not a good base for averages. I too feel bad for anyone who has lost someone from this virus but according too AC it’s only the fat and old (that would prefer to die anyways) as he stated, “I'm not really sorry to say it, but a lot of the crusty olds would rather just die in peace than in solitude.” Hard to even think there is much remorse but more blame for their lifestyle and longevity.

Yeah, that wasn't a good look.

 

[Budley Doright]

Yeah, that wasn't a good look.

There’s been a lot of bad optics.....to bad really. Would have been an interesting topic. Now it’s entertainment lol.

 

[Fogdog]

There’s been a lot of bad optics.....to bad really. Would have been an interesting topic. Now it’s entertainment lol.

At the root of the anti lockdown argument is the sacrifice of humans to capitalism and consumerism. "I want my cheeseburger so you or your mother must die. "

 

[hanimmal]

At the root of the anti lockdown argument is the sacrifice of humans to capitalism and consumerism. "I want my cheeseburger so you or your mother must die. "

I thought of it more as a 'Im not the one cleaning up the mess or paying the price, so who cares' mentality was in the middle of this. All the poor service-based workers are the ones that are on the frontline of this nightmare.

 

[Fogdog]

I thought of it more as a 'Im not the one cleaning up the mess or paying the price, so who cares' mentality was in the middle of this. All the poor service-based workers are the ones that are on the frontline of this nightmare.

I keep hearing callous remarks about how "it's just old and people with conditions who would have died soon anyway, so, let them die now". That vein of talk is about sacrificing people's lives so that capitalists can make more money and consumers getting their pizza or whatever.

 

[Fogdog]

I just checked and lockdowns are still working.

 

[DIY-HP-LED]

Covid-19: the right way to leave lockdown | The Economist

Governments are starting to ease restrictions designed to curb covid-19. But with most of the world still vulnerable to the virus, what's the right way to leave lockdown? Read more here: https://econ.st/3bMn3YU

 

[abandonconflict]

AC is a technical diver and could probably work for an oil company as a commercial diver. From what he says (take that with a grain of salt), he's an U/W welder, not a trivial skill. So, wait a bit. Once it's in his interest to do so, he will start calling the science behind the climate crisis a hoax too.

You're desperate. I thought you were going to go with the Rothschild thing as a way to discredit me, as if I have ever said anything like that. Seriously man, it's uncouth. I got up this morning to find my thread had 8 pages of shit posting but no retorts to my arguments, and this thread, is literally dedicated to discrediting me, personally. I'm that important to some of you.

I get it, some people live for me here, but grasping at "what if Carlos becomes a climate denier", dude, I have cultivated enough coral reef area to produce oxygen for an entire city with my own hands. I get it, the next post will be to say I'm upset or that I steel snorkels or some stupid fake sympathy for the loss of my diving business.

It's just a little more than obvious that a few of you have dedicated your empty lives to trolling me because I didn't side with your political party on the issue of lockdowns. The sad thing is, you'd be doing it whether you were stuck inside or not. So this is genuine sympathy for a few losers here who are now stooping obviously to low personal attacks. Try not to burst now that the lockdowns are ending.

 

[Fogdog]

You're desperate. I thought you were going to go with the Rothschild thing as a way to discredit me, as if I have ever said anything like that. Seriously man, it's uncouth. I got up this morning to find my thread had 8 pages of shit posting but no retorts to my arguments, and this thread, is literally dedicated to discrediting me, personally. I'm that important to some of you.

I get it, some people live for me here, but grasping at "what if Carlos becomes a climate denier", dude, I have cultivated enough coral reef area to produce oxygen for an entire city with my own hands. I get it, the next post will be to say I'm upset or that I steel snorkels or some stupid fake sympathy for the loss of my diving business.

It's just a little more than obvious that a few of you have dedicated your empty lives to trolling me because I didn't side with your political party on the issue of lockdowns. The sad thing is, you'd be doing it whether you were stuck inside or not. So this is genuine sympathy for a few losers here who are now stooping obviously to low personal attacks. Try not to burst now that the lockdowns are ending.

No,

Lockdowns work. You don't.

That is all.

 

[abandonconflict]

There is still no vaccine, no herd immunity anywhere, case numbers rising precipitously, deaths accelerating. Nonetheless, governments everywhere are backing away from the failed lockdown strategy that ravaged the global economy, threatening famines.

Lockdowns ease as global infections near 3 million
MADRID — Spanish children were allowed outside on Sunday for the first time in six weeks as countries eased lockdown measures and reopen economies gutted by the coronavirus pandemic that has infected nearly three million people worldwide.
a week ago

Lockdowns ease as global infections near 3 million

MADRID -- Spanish children were allowed outside on Sunday for the first time in six weeks as countries eased lockdown measures and reopen economies gutted by the coronavirus pandemic that

newsinfo.inquirer.net

 

[Fogdog]

^^Is that a science denier's idea of a convincing argument?