Is anyone coming from 1000w mh/hps that is getting similar or better results with LEDs?
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Budget Buds
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ANC
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TreeFarmerCharlie
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The problem is that there are a ton of shitty LED lights that muddy the water.
ANC
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This.
2Hearts
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I think us growers can just focus on the ton of good lights owned here and easily dismiss the others. If theres no answer yet then thats what it is - just one side vs the other. If cfl were trying to outdo a hps it would be clear cut but even with claims of over 30% increase to be having this debate seems strange as if there is some problem.
Kassiopeija
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yes but we know what the good LED boards can do, we know most of their specs, output spectrum luminosity.... and the math is clear: LED converts electricity more efficiently into light than everything else, and this is why the industry develops this technology further.
CFL grows create one hell of a quality bud + healthy plant because of the tremendously big light areal.
Are they done yet? What does "done" look like?
How many times does are they done get posted? I figured I'd post a done pic so growers could see what it looks like Patience is key :)
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HPS is a good flower inducer & massbuilder, and has FR & (too much) IR. But even S-HPS lacks alot of green, cyan, blue, near UV, UVA, UVB.
at least, add a MH or CMH to it.
2Hearts
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Blurples used that hps is an inefficient spectrum and that hasnt ended well, like outside in the sun is it not concievable the superior spectrums contain weights of ir green and that sort of stuff and hps atests to that in growing a lot of bud.
Leds are their own downfall sometimes, they prove just how inefficient efficiency can be and hps shows just how efficient inefficiency is in relation to a complex life form like plants.
Leds are their own downfall sometimes, they prove just how inefficient efficiency can be and hps shows just how efficient inefficiency is in relation to a complex life form like plants.
hybridway2
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True That!
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2Hearts
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No even more confusion as if your plants werent so frazzled id expect that to be a full 70% and over and whatever you love the most that stupid numbers.
hybridway2
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Hu?
It's just a lot of work up until flower...but I love growing big plants!
Kassiopeija
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stopped right there - who's defending blurples here? (strawman-fallacy)
you talk the same uninformed shit like Kingrow1.
2Hearts
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No one is defending blurples.
Uninformed are led and hid but im sure that will change one day when its not up for debate.
Uninformed are led and hid but im sure that will change one day when its not up for debate.
ANC
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A decent light should produce north of 2.2umols/W without having to extensively rely on using too many blue or funny spectrum diodes.
The closer it is to a nice full spectrum golden sunlight vibe, the better it seems to work.
The only scenario I'dd use blurples are as supplementary light for light dep greenhouse, where you rely on the sun for most of the energy.
The closer it is to a nice full spectrum golden sunlight vibe, the better it seems to work.
The only scenario I'dd use blurples are as supplementary light for light dep greenhouse, where you rely on the sun for most of the energy.
I probably would use HLG if my space allowed. The heat and vertical restriction is the only problem for me . Plus I'm doing mine in large hydro reservoirs so the heat makes the humidity that much worse with transpiration. I saw the 650r-spec in action the other day and I think I can confidently say there's not a light that can compete with that thing if... someone has the height and cooling effort it would require. I was in a room with 2 and it was like looking at the anus of the sun. Interstellar Batman could use one of those things to cast his call sign from planet to planet. I had to readjust my eyes to walk into the full noon sun.
coreywebster
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Again I would just like to point out that the heat, as in a flir test or ir gun on the back of the LED only shows how efficient the heat sink is, as in its either minimal or maxed out. It doesn't change the amount of heat the light is putting out.
Its like an air cooled light would look cooler under flir camera but if you don't have a duct taking the hot air out the heat output is the same in the room.
So your idea that you cant run a HLG is based on misunderstanding.
It will put out the same heat as any other LED of the same wattage and efficiency.
THERE ARE MANY MORE BRANDS OF LED and I don't care which you buy, just your misunderstanding the concept.
I get what you're saying, don't think I'm misunderstanding the concept. The purpose of a heat sink is to offset the amount of heat that an LED is putting out by transferring the heat to the heat sink. Yes? The more efficient the heat sink, the lower the ambient temp will be in the tent/room because it is dissipating heat at a slower rate - since the heat sink is more efficient. Tell me if I'm wrong here.
I've never used LEDs personally. There's a lot of people that use LEDs and speak definitively on how superior they are to mh/hps but have little or no experience with hps. And vice versa. Which is why I worded my question the way I did and measure my words in the whole debacle. Lest it turns into a PlayStation vs Xbox style turd farm. I am relatively ignorant with LEDs. However, I have seen several in action and have felt a much greater amount of heat under and around the light due to a shatty heat sink. So in this respect, I don't think every equally powered LED will put out the same ambient temperature in say a 5x5 area, in the same amount of time. Because each company uses a different mechanism to dissipate the heat.