VAX or FIRED

[canndo]

The right size is as small as you can get it.

Then how about no government? Is that your ideal? "As small as you can get it" because it isnt efficient as you would like?"

You still refuse to answer my challenge. How small do you think we CAN "get it"?

Yours is nordquists intent. Will you agree that government is the principle bulwark against big business?

 

[printer]

I use sarcasm. When folks talk shit about President Joe Rob, I'll say something like, "you are so right. He is such a loser. He can't even give away a safe and effective vaccine when 1000 Republicans are dying a day.

Is this then confirmed proof sasquatchs do not understand sarcasm?

 

[canndo]

Not big government.

Not an answer. Who? What? How do we manage the excesses of big business and foreign incursion?

I suspect you have taken up the mantle of Republicans where they believe they are the rational fiscal actors and there is no need for government because we most certainly can trust them and their sponsors....big businesses.

 

[printer]

Not an answer. Who? What? How do we manage the excesses of big business and foreign incursion?

I suspect you have taken up the mantle of Republicans where they are the rational fiscal actors and there is no need for government because we most certainly can trust them and their sponsors....big businesses.

Because they always work for the benefit of the the people.

 

[CatHedral]

Because they always work for the benefit of the the people.

Hell, they even funded the Tobacco Institute from their own coffers.

 

[DaFreak]

Not an answer. Who? What? How do we manage the excesses of big business and foreign incursion?

I suspect you have taken up the mantle of Republicans where they are the rational fiscal actors and there is no need for government because we most certainly can trust them and their sponsors....big businesses.

Why do you think it takes big government to manage excesses of big business? That sounds more like a problem handled by reforming campaign finance rules and lobbying. You’re putting forth your believe that big government solves all problems which we know isn’t true. And big business sponsors both sides. You could compare trumps sponsors and Obama and find a long list of the same corporations. At this point I get, you trust government but not corporations. Which is kind of funny because who makes the rules? Government.

 

[hanimmal]

Why do you think it takes big government to manage excesses of big business? That sounds more like a problem handled by reforming campaign finance rules and lobbying. You’re putting forth your believe that big government solves all problems which we know isn’t true. And big business sponsors both sides. You could compare trumps sponsors and Obama and find a long list of the same corporations. At this point I get, you trust government but not corporations. Which is kind of funny because who makes the rules? Government.

lol what a stupid post.

Like 'government' and 'business' is really anything other than a huge number of humans, some of which are complete turds, some are stupid as shit, and mostly everyone tries to do the right thing to varying degrees of proficiency.

Also the troll use of 'all' is bullshit.

 

[DaFreak]

What’s funny is that Americans are just so used to fighting about politics and picking sides that their minds and ears just turn off and they start making assumptions, hence the silly questions about Q etc. I’m probably a little more radical then most of you, I’m for restitution and believe that all oil/gas/minerals should be considered public resources for the benefits of all, not just the dumb cowboy who happened to own land above it. Doesn’t sound very Republican or right does it?

 

[canndo]

Relax guy, I’m just saying I don’t trust the government to protect us which was the argument put forth, bigger government = safer. Example, want to stop oil spills? Sue them till it hurts so much they have no choice. But the other side thinks bigger government (paid by the oil companies) with more inspectors (wined and dined by the oil companies) is the way to go.

Wait. You do understand that law suits are wholly facilitated by government right? And that companies don't often let simple concerned individuals "inspect" their facilities? And exactly how does one sue if there are no government enacted regulations?

 

[canndo]

Dude, I’m on my iPhone in my office. I’m speaking in general terms. The idea of a small government and classic Republicans are still important as a counter measure to unbridled spending and government getting too big. I get it, you think the governments got your back. Good for you. I don’t.

The problem is an either or mentality. I in no way "believe in government" but I see no alternative.


You seem to but have been having trouble telling us what it is.


We can bring this conversation (and thanks for hanging with it) round to the title again.


I have gotten three shots of a vaccine that was entirely paid for by my government. Yes, business designed it but do you actually believe for a second that without government intervention IF companies opted to make a vaccine at all and IF they voluntarily tested it thoroughly they would have sold it at a price that every u.s. citizen could afford?

Was government "too big" to handle a pandemic?

 

[DaFreak]

Again, what does big have to do with it? Yes, I believe that the price was always going to be affordable based on the number of people who need it…like the whole world. I think if they were not careful about it they know the price that they would have to pay.

 

[mooray]

What’s funny is that Americans are just so used to fighting about politics and picking sides that their minds and ears just turn off and they start making assumptions, hence the silly questions about Q etc. I’m probably a little more radical then most of you, I’m for restitution and believe that all oil/gas/minerals should be considered public resources for the benefits of all, not just the dumb cowboy who happened to own land above it. Doesn’t sound very Republican or right does it?

You in California? We tend to make some weird walking-conflict republicans.

 

[canndo]

Lol, I didn’t say no government. How has government done protecting our kids in public schools? Another 6 shot today.

This is poor logic. "Because government does not do its job to my satisfaction, it doesnt work well enough to be supported at all". "Government "only" protects kids from eating lead paint and drinking mercury milkshakes so because it isnt able to protect them from the side effects of rights it should be further hobbled."

 

[printer]

Again, what does big have to do with it? Yes, I believe that the price was always going to be affordable based on the number of people who need it…like the whole world. I think if they were not careful about it they know the price that they would have to pay.

Maybe it is time to ask the population to give up their guns?

 

[DaFreak]

Maybe it is time to ask the population to give up their guns?

I think it’s time to start throwing parents in jail if their kids take their guns and kill people. If my pit bull gets out and kills a baby im in deep shit, but my kid takes my gun and kills a bunch of babies and I’m in the clear? That’s insane.

 

[canndo]

Come on really? I don't know what kind of work you are in, but in my line of work I work with the IRS, it is shocking how much they get wrong, the bad decisions they make and their inefficiency. Yes, part of the problem is they are understaffed, the other part is that it's government, all the red tape, all the headaches from idiots who are wrong, but they don't care because they work for the IRS.
Again, I am not against government control, I am saying that in my mind, anything that can be done by the private sector should be.

"Anything that can be done by the private sector should be".


Yet another reasonable statement that does not bear scrutiny well.

So what does government do that could be done in the private sector? Let's see how well such conversions work.

The prison system?

Law enforcement?

The military?

Justice system?

Public safety?

Regulation of the financial industry?


What?

Making the government as small as you can while accomplishing your goal helps the country by saving money. Governments are inefficient.

As far as the private sector not being trust worthy, I feel like the same can be said for governments. Proven time and again they will fck ya.

Where is everybody's SS money?

As has been posted out, "govenment" is not some monolithic entity that is not affected by those it governs, at least not yet. Government in America is US.

the list of consumer run companies is pretty damn small.

No, consumerism does not directly drive production.



Now I've been baiting you with "what is the right size" you have been presuming we want huge government or that larger government necessarily means ever more insidious control or ever more waste.

And I have been insinuating that you are in a quest for no government and no oversight.



But it seems we both want government that works.


Start then by throwing ALL lobbies out of government.

No revolving government to industry doors. You step down from your senate job you get a job in education or paint or build houses, no ceo or board room reward for you for five years.

No industry to regulation or regulation to industry jobs.

Mandate a sunset clause on ALL spending bills.


Now write laws that are reasonable and considered from every viewpoint and then fucking ENFORCE THEM.

hire the people you need to do so and no more.

All wars save actual invasion shall be previously paid for including projections for taking care of our military.

There is more but you said something about no one having thought this through when you were challenged.


I have.

 

[Severed Tongue]

Told ya it was coming

Europe is cracking down on the unvaccinated. Could America be next?

Europe has often made COVID-19 moves before the U.S., and some analysts expect these measures to migrate across the Atlantic.

fortune.com

 

[Roger A. Shrubber]

Told ya it was coming

Europe is cracking down on the unvaccinated. Could America be next?

Europe has often made COVID-19 moves before the U.S., and some analysts expect these measures to migrate across the Atlantic.

fortune.com

this is what they should have done from the beginning, just crack down hard, and ream the ass of any politician that speaks out against it. "my body, my choice" is fine, until your choice starts to effect other people, then the common good outweighs individual choice, every time.

 

[canndo]

Why do you think it takes big government to manage excesses of big business? That sounds more like a problem handled by reforming campaign finance rules and lobbying. You’re putting forth your believe that big government solves all problems which we know isn’t true. And big business sponsors both sides. You could compare trumps sponsors and Obama and find a long list of the same corporations. At this point I get, you trust government but not corporations. Which is kind of funny because who makes the rules? Government.

It takes big government because it is BIG business. There are no other powerful group entities but three, unions, government and business.


"Reforming campaign finance and lobbying" is a portion of a fix but as I have said several times here, there is NO counter weight to business save government. None. Does government "solve all problems"? No, but government is the only producer of order.

A free market is very good at solving problems but horrible at determining what problems to solve. It produces more social turmoil than government.


The reason I trust government more is because we ARE our government.

We are not our business. Business exists for profit.

Government exists for order. In this country, so far, we have a direct influence on how that order is imposed.

You have not, nor can you offer am alternative.

 

[DaFreak]

Do me favor, stop going back and forth on the quotes and bringing stuff up out of order.

manwhat you say you thought through, well you obviously didn’t think about it much.

mid I had as much free time as you apparently have I might bother making a long list of government shit shows, but hopefully I don’t have to do that if we live in the same reality, you should know by now.

postal service was privatized with some success. Space travel, and I’m sure more can be done.NPO prisons? There are so many ways to think about it.