War

[GoatSoup]

Fossil Fools?

On the other hand if Russia and the Ukraine go at it in Donbas is a Nuke exchange possible or probable?
Have they trained for that?
Operation Tumbler-Snapper
the US has trained in the post Nuke battlefield. What did they learn?

War is bad, nukes are forever!

 

[BudmanTX]

Maybe. The oil and gas industry would love it. A lot of it comes from fracking. Just saying there is an environmental cost in that. Best answer is Europe finds ways to cap demand and speed up the switch to renewable alternatives. But it's a bonus to Biden's economy. I'm torn on this one. I'm loving the irony that LNG is being directed away from China.

yeah they would. They've been fracking down this direction for a few years now, so far so good on the environmental cost, but i know it's there....especially with the sand they use, and with the water......

kinda loving that to......china is prolly shitting right now....going what...no gas...

 

[BudmanTX]

Fossil Fools?

On the other hand if Russia and the Ukraine go at it in Donbas is a Nuke exchange possible or probable?
Have they trained for that?
Operation Tumbler-Snapper
the US has trained in the post Nuke battlefield. What did they learn?

War is bad, nukes are forever!

kinda hard to have a nuke exchange Ukraine, since they don't have any.....they gave them back to Russia....the irony

 

[DIY-HP-LED]

hopefully we can help offset the need from what they are getting from Russia.....

It will accelerate the development of a robust green new power grid, one that can handle EV charging and heating without the need for gas. Power storage is the key using batteries and other technologies that are rapidly evolving, several of these are in the early mass production stages or soon will be. Lab concepts and experiments are one thing mass producing it and working out the million bugs is quite another, but there are a few battery technologies that are either there or almost there.

It will take a decade to roll out, but it's coming everywhere, not just Europe, shit like this gives it a big political and financial boost. Long term petroleum markets should dwindle and Russia is heavily dependent on petroleum exports. If they are frozen out of the world financial and technological systems for a decade they would be in very deep shit.

 

[rkymtnman]

What’s your angle?

obtuse

 

[Fogdog]

yeah they would. They've been fracking down this direction for a few years now, so far so good on the environmental cost, but i know it's there....especially with the sand they use, and with the water......

kinda loving that to......china is prolly shitting right now....going what...no gas...

Russia and China share a border, so, yeah, it's not going to just sit around in Russia. This is why sanctions against China are important too.

 

[Fogdog]

obtuse

My wife is acute.

 

[printer]

China has long term orders of NG that will not change.

 

[printer]

My wife is acute.

And she lets you know it often.

 

[Fogdog]

And she lets you know it often.

One look is all I need.

 

[DIY-HP-LED]

Russia and China share a border, so, yeah, it's not going to just sit around in Russia. This is why sanctions against China are important too.

Iran is closer...

 

[Fogdog]

Iran is closer...

huh?

They don't share a border with China

 

[BudmanTX]

Iran is closer...

say what? so to say mate, they don't share a border with either.......now Iran uses the Caspian Sea...they can only get to russia....not china

 

[DIY-HP-LED]

huh?

They don't share a border with China

They sell them a lot of oil and gas ain't hard to ship, I'm sure with quiet American support something can be worked out. Iran is a mere pain in the ass, reducing Russia's oil exports is the goal, the oil producing regions in Russia are pretty distant and there are plenty of oil rich stans in the southern region too. If they are frozen out of SWIFT building pipelines would be problematic, unless China built it for them.

 

[Fogdog]

They sell them a lot of oil and gas ain't hard to ship, I'm sure with quiet American support something can be worked out. Iran is a mere pain in the ass, reducing Russia's oil exports is the goal, the oil producing regions in Russia are pretty distant and there are plenty of oil rich stans in the southern region too. If they are frozen out of SWIFT building pipelines would be problematic, unless China built it for them.

They already ship at least 6% of China's needs. Plenty more going in un-marked tankers.

That's a tough part of the world to build a pipeline. Not practical.

Kazakhstan already pipes LNG into China and as I said, Russia shares a border with them. However, if you want to die on this hill, I'll let you .

 

[DIY-HP-LED]

They already ship at least 6% of China's needs. Plenty more going in un-marked tankers.

That's a tough part of the world to build a pipeline. Not practical.

Kazakhstan already pipes LNG into China and as I said, Russia shares a border with them. However, if you want to die on this hill, I'll let you .

Nope, the point is, others can be encouraged to sell oil and gas to China, you want to divide them, not drive them together! Iran shipped a lot of oil to the west for many decades, they can do the same for China, provided America cooperates, all oil and gas is not shipped by pipeline. America was on track to improving relations with Iran until Trump came along.

Speaking of Kazakhstan, Putin deployed troops there not long ago to prop up his puppet government from a popular uprising.

 

[DIY-HP-LED]

Did anybody budget money to harden the power grid from cyber attack? Or did the republicans object to the expense and bother? Why mandating vaccination from internet viruses is an infringement on their liberty and freedumb! We might soon see the folly of not attending to this, provided their lobbyist were successful at killing it.

I guess if the lights go out as the shit hits the fan, it won't make much difference, since the fan won't be running anyway.

 

[hanimmal]

Did anybody budget money to harden the power grid from cyber attack? Or did the republicans object to the expense and bother? Why mandating vaccination from internet viruses is an infringement on their liberty and freedumb! We might soon see the folly of not attending to this, provided their lobbyist were successful at killing it.

I guess if the lights go out as the shit hits the fan, it won't make much difference, since the fan won't be running anyway.

 

[zeddd]

I’ve just listened to the first 8 1/2 mins of Putin’s tv monologue. It’s very clear he will try to take the whole country.

 

[printer]

Can't but say good things about his friend.

Trump on Putin plan to recognize breakaway Ukraine regions: 'This is genius'
In an interview on "The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show," Trump said Russian President Vladimir Putin's recognition of the Donetsk and Luhansk people’s republics in eastern Ukraine on Monday was "smart" and "pretty savvy."

"I went in yesterday, and there was a television screen, and I said, 'This is genius,'" he said. "Putin declares a big portion of the Ukraine — of Ukraine — Putin declares it as independent. Oh, that’s wonderful."

"I said, 'How smart is that?' He's going to go in and be a peacekeeper," added Trump, who regularly praised and sought close ties with Putin during his time in office. "That's the strongest peace force. We could use that on our southern border. That's the strongest peace force I've ever seen. There were more army tanks than I've ever seen. They're going to keep peace, all right."

Following his recognition of the two Donbas areas, which are controlled by Russian-backed separatists, Putin moved in troops, which led to international condemnation.

In his interview, Trump repeated his false claims that the 2020 election was stolen from him and said if he had remained president, Putin would never have attempted something like this.

"It never would have happened with us. Had I been in office, not even thinkable," Trump said. "You know what the response was from Biden? He didn't have a response."

The former president, who has been teasing a 2024 presidential run, also released a statement on Tuesday arguing that "there was absolutely no reason that the situation currently happening in Ukraine should have happened at all."

"Russia has become very very rich during the Biden Administration, with oil prices doubling and soon to be tripling and quadrupling," he said. "The weak sanctions are insignificant relative to taking over a country and a massive piece of strategically located land."

Trump on Putin plan to recognize breakaway Ukraine regions: ‘This is genius’

Former President Trump on Tuesday called Russia’s recognition of two breakaway territories in eastern Ukraine a “genius” move ahead of its military invasion.In an interview o…

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