War

[Fogdog]

Half of Russians say military is justified to prevent Ukraine from joining NATO: poll
Twice as many Russians said it would be right for Moscow to take military action to prevent Ukraine from joining NATO compared to those who said it would be wrong, according to a new poll released by CNN on Wednesday.

The survey revealed that 50 percent of Russian participants said they thought use of force would be justified to prevent Ukraine from joining NATO, 25 percent said it would be wrong and the remainder said they were unsure.

However, 43 percent of Russians said it would be wrong for Russia to use military force to "reunite Russia and Ukraine" and 65 percent said they expected a peaceful end to the tensions between the two countries.

Nearly 2 in 3 Russians in the survey said they considered themselves and Ukrainians to be "one people," while around the same percentage of Ukrainians disagreed with this characterization.

Veteran Russian journalist Vladimir Pozner told CNN that Russians are aware that Western leaders have been warning about Russian President Vladimir Putin's possible invasion of Ukraine.

“Russians know what Western leaders are saying. Their statements are widely featured in the media. The general feeling is that the West in fact wants Russia to attack Ukraine because that would be to the West’s advantage, it is goading Russia to attack," said Pozner.

“They are also of the opinion that, while Ukraine could not stand up to an all-out Russian invasion, Russia would lose much more from that than any military victory would win,” he added.

Ukrainians respondents split over how they felt tensions would end, with 43 percent saying the believed it would end peacefully while 43 percent disagreed with this prediction.

Half of Russians say military is justified to prevent Ukraine from joining NATO: poll

Twice as many Russians said it would be right for Moscow to take military action to prevent Ukraine from joining NATO compared to those who said it would be wrong, according to a new poll released …

thehill.com

That means half are saying out loud that the invasion is not justified. Cup half full.

 

[djumbir]

Or you can try reading past the headline...

 

[printer]

Or you can try reading past the headline...

Of course you would not want to be pinned down by giving us...

 

[Fogdog]

Or you can try reading past the headline...

What do you mean by that?

ellipses don't make up for the grammatical error of using half sentences. btw

 

[djumbir]

Well it's not glass half full if it's 2:1 in favor of military action

 

[Fogdog]

Nope,

Says it right at the top. Half support the invasion. That means the other half don't support it. Saying "not sure" is definitely not saying "I support it".

Why are you always wrong? I mean, sometimes people make a typo and reverse the meaning of a sentence. It's possible to make a mistake and occasionally be right. But nope, every time you open your mouth you are wrong. As if you are a bot.

 

[printer]

Well it's not glass half full if it's 2:1 in favor of military action

"
Twice as many Russians said...

The survey revealed that 50 percent of Russian participants said they thought use of force would be justified to prevent Ukraine from joining NATO, 25 percent said it would be wrong and the remainder said they were unsure.

However, 43 percent of Russians said it would be wrong for Russia to use military force to "reunite Russia and Ukraine" and 65 percent said they expected a peaceful end to the tensions between the two countries.

Nearly 2 in 3 Russians in the survey said they considered themselves and Ukrainians to be "one people," while around the same percentage of Ukrainians disagreed with this characterization."

So which number is write?

 

[Fogdog]

"
Twice as many Russians said...

The survey revealed that 50 percent of Russian participants said they thought use of force would be justified to prevent Ukraine from joining NATO, 25 percent said it would be wrong and the remainder said they were unsure.

However, 43 percent of Russians said it would be wrong for Russia to use military force to "reunite Russia and Ukraine" and 65 percent said they expected a peaceful end to the tensions between the two countries.

Nearly 2 in 3 Russians in the survey said they considered themselves and Ukrainians to be "one people," while around the same percentage of Ukrainians disagreed with this characterization."

So which number is write?

If they were good at statistics they would have real jobs.

I'm an engineer and use statistics every day at work. I struggle to understand what reporters are trying to say when they cite statistics.

The one that drives me crazy is the way reporters mix up their units. Something like -- 30% say they like water but two-thirds say they prefer Pepsi. It's technically correct but to me the shift in nomenclature is like a speed-bump and I have to slow down get their meaning.

 

[zeddd]

If they were good at statistics they would have real jobs.

I'm an engineer and use statistics every day at work. I struggle to understand what reporters are trying to say when they cite statistics.

The one that drives me crazy is the way reporters mix up their units. Something like -- 30% say they like water but two-thirds say they prefer Pepsi. It's technically correct but to me the shift in nomenclature is like a speed-bump and I have to slow down get their meaning.

It’s technically incorrect

 

[hanimmal]

If they were good at statistics they would have real jobs.

I'm an engineer and use statistics every day at work. I struggle to understand what reporters are trying to say when they cite statistics.

The one that drives me crazy is the way reporters mix up their units. Something like -- 30% say they like water but two-thirds say they prefer Pepsi. It's technically correct but to me the shift in nomenclature is like a speed-bump and I have to slow down get their meaning.

It drives me nuts when they don't use the range of estimates and then try to bitch about it when the real number is not the one they reported, but still is within the range.

 

[Fogdog]

It’s technically incorrect

within the margin of error that they didn't report, it is correct.

Drives you crazy too, it seems.

 

[Sativied]

Probably none of them are right, but they don’t contradict each other.

Almost half (43%) says no to military force if it’s to reunite the countries (annex Ukraine) but about half of the half (25%) is not sure if it would still be against military force if it’s to prevent Ukraine from joining NATO. Doesn’t actually seem unfair of that last part to at least reconsider if Ukraine would join NATO. They are told that automatically means they‘ll instantly be at all out war with every other NATO member.

Perhaps the most interesting is this: 2 out of 3 gave answers to questions which are to them just hypothetical because they assume it will end peacefully anyway.

 

[cannabineer]

If they were good at statistics they would have real jobs.

I'm an engineer and use statistics every day at work. I struggle to understand what reporters are trying to say when they cite statistics.

The one that drives me crazy is the way reporters mix up their units. Something like -- 30% say they like water but two-thirds say they prefer Pepsi. It's technically correct but to me the shift in nomenclature is like a speed-bump and I have to slow down get their meaning.

“We share 98% of our DNA with gibbons” and they never say how the percentage is figured. I have not found it laid out. I suspect it is a very crude measure like presence of point mutations in exon frames.

 

[printer]

And how do you know the people asking the questions are really who they say they are?

 

[djumbir]

1/4 "not sure" isn't really "half is saying out loud they're against it". They're unsure. Anyways I'm surprised it's not even more, considering the amount of propaganda

 

[printer]

“We share 98% of our DNA with gibbons” and they never say how the percentage is figured. I have not found it laid out. I suspect it is a very crude measure like presence of point mutations in exon frames.

And if we all have 1-4% Neanderthal DNA in us but they can figure out the genome overlaps with about 97–98 percent of that of Neanderthals.

???

 

[djumbir]

"
Twice as many Russians said...

The survey revealed that 50 percent of Russian participants said they thought use of force would be justified to prevent Ukraine from joining NATO, 25 percent said it would be wrong and the remainder said they were unsure.

However, 43 percent of Russians said it would be wrong for Russia to use military force to "reunite Russia and Ukraine" and 65 percent said they expected a peaceful end to the tensions between the two countries.

Nearly 2 in 3 Russians in the survey said they considered themselves and Ukrainians to be "one people," while around the same percentage of Ukrainians disagreed with this characterization."

So which number is write?

All the polls are valid, and they all tell different things

 

[printer]

1/4 "not sure" isn't really "half is saying out loud they're against it". They're unsure. Anyways I'm surprised it's not even more, considering the amount of propaganda

Russians know they are being fed a line by the powers that be. Standard fare.

 

[cannabineer]

And if we all have 1-4% Neanderthal DNA in us but they can figure out the genome overlaps with about 97–98 percent of that of Neanderthals.

???

I always thought this was Mark Twain; it still holds.

 

[Crumpetlicker]

i dunno, your mom would be the expert on that, ask her about swallowing it whole

You don't have to be so brash. I understand your father issues and the feeling of abandonment you have.
Especially as your country is learning that all the shit it has done around the world is going to come back and bite it on the arse.
Having bigger and better guns won't save you from the fact that the rest of the world hates your guts and considers you sniveling hypocrites.
Have a nice day comrade.