CaliRootz88
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What about the 20+ warships @ sea? They have missles that can deploy to any part of Ukraine and a moments notice.
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Fogdog
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I'd like to know more on the subject. I don't see the point of laying waste to Ukraine in order to defend Ukraine.
DIY-HP-LED
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It will be a blitzkrieg style attack from multiple directions including the Black sea, they want it over ASAP. It will start with an attack on the power grid and internet, missiles and special operations deployed to critical centers. Armored thrusts and artillery barrages with close tactical air support, seeking to encircle the Ukrainians in pincer movements, it will be a classic land sea air operation.What about the 20+ warships @ sea? They have missles that can deploy to any part of Ukraine and a moments notice.
All of this has been anticipated, I think the American military advisors left them with a plan of defense, usually the attacking force needs a 3:1 ratio, I believe forces in the region are closely matched in number, but the Russians probably have an edge.
DIY-HP-LED
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Not our call, their call we are just helping at this stage.
zeddd
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It’s coming, next week probs
zeddd
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A conventional war is not on the cards. Putin wants to be spectacular so I expect to see him bust out the hypersonic missiles and nukes.
DIY-HP-LED
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It depends on how badly he gets hurt in the Ukraine, if they fight it might be embarrassing and a bit of a slog. Maybe Vlad and his buddies are losing their ill gotten gains in the west and are freaking out. Vlad may be mad but I don't think he is suicidal. Besides they only tested the hypersonic missile, I doubt they are mass producing them and a single American nuclear submarine can destroy every Russian population center of over 100K, the UK has them too.
Fogdog
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nukes? OK. I started out saying there will be no invasion, so, I'm done making predictions. I do not understand this enemy.
DIY-HP-LED
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Ukraine goes under the bus and Russia goes back to the stone age, cold war2 has started.
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Russia attacks Ukraine as defiant Putin warns U.S., NATO
MOSCOW -- Russian troops launched their anticipated attack on Ukraine on Thursday, as President Vladimir Putin cast aside international condemnation and sanctions, warning other countries that any attempt to interfere would lead to "consequences you have never seen."
Big explosions were heard before dawn in Kyiv, Kharkiv and Odesa as world leaders decried the start of an Russian invasion that could cause massive casualties and topple Ukraine's democratically elected government.
Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy introduced martial law, saying Russia has targeted Ukraine's military infrastructure and explosions are heard across the country. Zelenskyy said he had just talked to President Joe Biden and the U.S. was rallying international support for Ukraine. He urged Ukrainians to stay home and not to panic
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Explosions heard in Kyiv as Russia presses Ukraine assault
Explosions were heard in the Ukrainian capital of Kyiv early Friday as Russian forces pressed on with a full-scale invasion that resulted in the deaths of more than 100 Ukrainians in the first full day of fighting and could eventually rewrite the global post-Cold War security order.
Russia attacks Ukraine as defiant Putin warns U.S., NATO
MOSCOW -- Russian troops launched their anticipated attack on Ukraine on Thursday, as President Vladimir Putin cast aside international condemnation and sanctions, warning other countries that any attempt to interfere would lead to "consequences you have never seen."
Big explosions were heard before dawn in Kyiv, Kharkiv and Odesa as world leaders decried the start of an Russian invasion that could cause massive casualties and topple Ukraine's democratically elected government.
Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy introduced martial law, saying Russia has targeted Ukraine's military infrastructure and explosions are heard across the country. Zelenskyy said he had just talked to President Joe Biden and the U.S. was rallying international support for Ukraine. He urged Ukrainians to stay home and not to panic
DIY-HP-LED
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Crumpetlicker
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Pick a country! Put on a blindfold and put a pin anywhere on the map, your own country included and you will see America's death hand at work.
Sativied
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Despite the many warnings Ukraine is still shocked Putin is attacking. Russia probably knows the location of every military vehicle and missile in the Ukraine, planned this in detail. Troops entering from all sides. Crazy.
Boris Johnson said something a few days ago I agree with, ‘Putin would be insane to actually fully invade Ukraine’. Well, turns out he is. The amount of money Crimea and the two new recognized areas require to repair and maintain is already disproportionately high compared to their budget. Now a war in entire Ukraine, massive sanctions as a a result. Doesn’t seem like a reasonable risk-reward balance, seems fueled by emotions or just pure madness.
Boris Johnson said something a few days ago I agree with, ‘Putin would be insane to actually fully invade Ukraine’. Well, turns out he is. The amount of money Crimea and the two new recognized areas require to repair and maintain is already disproportionately high compared to their budget. Now a war in entire Ukraine, massive sanctions as a a result. Doesn’t seem like a reasonable risk-reward balance, seems fueled by emotions or just pure madness.
Crumpetlicker
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Sorry I just forgot about Guantanamo for a second, and Venezuela, and Cuba, and Vietnam, Korea, Japan, Russia, El Salavador, Afghanistan, Iraq. Just so you can swan about in fuel guzzling shitheaps singing your own praises. Is there anybody in the world the US has not fucked over?
Crumpetlicker
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I suck at standing around in a hypocritical circle jerk. You suck at being reminded that that is what you are doing.
DIY-HP-LED
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Russia attacks Ukraine as defiant Putin warns US, NATO
Russian troops have launched their anticipated attack on Ukraine. President Vladimir Putin has cast aside international condemnation and sanctions, warning other countries that any attempt to interfere would lead to “consequences you have never seen.”
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DIY-HP-LED
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There are few places it has not feed at one time or another and many it has aided.
Fogdog
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logic fail
DIY-HP-LED
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It would have been a cake walk when Trump was POTUS, or right after he lost the election. Why now? It's gonna cost way more blood and treasure, if Trump was POTUS there wouldn't even be sanctions and NATO would split apart. It makes me wonder if Vlad screwed up, or something Joe did has motivated him mightily. I think Joe wants to maneuver Putin into cold war 2 to sanction them and attack them economically by embargoing their oil exports and seizing their money and other assets. There's retribution involved here too and Ukraine could be collateral damage, this war could work to Biden's advantage politically at home. If the Ukrainians put up a good fight and inflict massive casualties on Russia along with sanctions, it could damage Putin politically.
DIY-HP-LED
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I wonder how the republicans will feel about Russia when they turn the lights off and shut down the internet? It may be painful to us, but in the end it will be fatal to Vlad...
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Russia threatens to target 'sensitive' US assets as part of a 'strong' and 'painful' response to sanctions
Russia's Foreign Affairs Ministry said the country would target "sensitive" US assets in retaliation.
The ministry said in a statement that the US sanctions against it were part of America's "ongoing attempts to change Russia's course," CNN reported.
"Russia has proved that, despite all the sanctions costs, it is able to minimize the damage," the ministry said in the statement. "And even more so, sanctions pressure is not able to affect our determination to firmly defend our interests."
The ministry said it was open to diplomacy with the US but that the sanctions would be met with a fierce response.
It added: "There should be no doubt that sanctions will receive a strong response, not necessarily symmetrical, but finely tuned and painful to the American side."
US President Joe Biden on Tuesday announced the "first tranche" of sanctions against Russia as a result of what Biden called "the beginning of a Russian invasion of Ukraine."
The US sanctions against Russia target the country's sovereign debt, two large Russian financial institutions, and Russian elites.
"We'll continue to escalate sanctions if Russia escalates," Biden said.
Earlier this week, Russian President Vladimir Putin recognized the independence of two Moscow-backed separatist regions in eastern Ukraine and ordered troops there.
Meanwhile, Ukraine is moving to declare a state of emergency in response to Russia's aggression.
Since late 2021, Russia has gathered tens of thousands of troops on Ukraine's border. For months, Russia claimed it had no plans to invade Ukraine. But Western leaders were highly skeptical, particularly given Russia invaded Ukraine and annexed Crimea in 2014. The Kremlin has also supported rebels in a war against Ukrainian forces in the eastern Donbas region since that year.
Despite Russia's well-documented history of aggression toward Ukraine, Putin has blamed the crisis on the West and NATO in particular. The Russian leader has railed against NATO's eastward expansion and demanded that Ukraine and Georgia be permanently barred from the alliance. NATO and the US have repeatedly dismissed this demand as a non-starter, while expressing an openness to negotiating on issues such as military exercises and missile deployments.
With concerns that Russia could soon mount a full-scale invasion of Ukraine that moves beyond the Donbas, the Biden administration has expressed doubts that Moscow would pursue a diplomatic resolution to the hostilities in good faith.
"Moscow needs to demonstrate that it's serious about diplomacy. Russia's actions over the last 48 hours have in fact demonstrated the opposite. If Moscow's approach changes, we remain ready to engage," State Depratment spokesperson Ned Price said on Wednesday.
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Russia threatens to target 'sensitive' US assets as part of a 'strong' and 'painful' response to sanctions
Russia's Ministry of Foreign Affairs said it was open to diplomacy with the US but that the sanctions would be met with a fierce response.
www.businessinsider.com
Russia threatens to target 'sensitive' US assets as part of a 'strong' and 'painful' response to sanctions
- The Russian government warned of a "painful" response to US sanctions, multiple reports said.
- Its Foreign Affairs Ministry said the sanctions were "attempts to change Russia's course," per CNN.
- "There should be no doubt that sanctions will receive a strong response," the ministry said.
Russia's Foreign Affairs Ministry said the country would target "sensitive" US assets in retaliation.
The ministry said in a statement that the US sanctions against it were part of America's "ongoing attempts to change Russia's course," CNN reported.
"Russia has proved that, despite all the sanctions costs, it is able to minimize the damage," the ministry said in the statement. "And even more so, sanctions pressure is not able to affect our determination to firmly defend our interests."
The ministry said it was open to diplomacy with the US but that the sanctions would be met with a fierce response.
It added: "There should be no doubt that sanctions will receive a strong response, not necessarily symmetrical, but finely tuned and painful to the American side."
US President Joe Biden on Tuesday announced the "first tranche" of sanctions against Russia as a result of what Biden called "the beginning of a Russian invasion of Ukraine."
The US sanctions against Russia target the country's sovereign debt, two large Russian financial institutions, and Russian elites.
"We'll continue to escalate sanctions if Russia escalates," Biden said.
Earlier this week, Russian President Vladimir Putin recognized the independence of two Moscow-backed separatist regions in eastern Ukraine and ordered troops there.
Meanwhile, Ukraine is moving to declare a state of emergency in response to Russia's aggression.
Since late 2021, Russia has gathered tens of thousands of troops on Ukraine's border. For months, Russia claimed it had no plans to invade Ukraine. But Western leaders were highly skeptical, particularly given Russia invaded Ukraine and annexed Crimea in 2014. The Kremlin has also supported rebels in a war against Ukrainian forces in the eastern Donbas region since that year.
Despite Russia's well-documented history of aggression toward Ukraine, Putin has blamed the crisis on the West and NATO in particular. The Russian leader has railed against NATO's eastward expansion and demanded that Ukraine and Georgia be permanently barred from the alliance. NATO and the US have repeatedly dismissed this demand as a non-starter, while expressing an openness to negotiating on issues such as military exercises and missile deployments.
With concerns that Russia could soon mount a full-scale invasion of Ukraine that moves beyond the Donbas, the Biden administration has expressed doubts that Moscow would pursue a diplomatic resolution to the hostilities in good faith.
"Moscow needs to demonstrate that it's serious about diplomacy. Russia's actions over the last 48 hours have in fact demonstrated the opposite. If Moscow's approach changes, we remain ready to engage," State Depratment spokesperson Ned Price said on Wednesday.
printer
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Ukrainian state border service says troops attacked from Belarus
The Ukrainian State Border Service early Thursday said troops attacked Ukraine from Belarus.
“At about 5:00 a.m., the state border of Ukraine in the area with the Russian Federation and the Republic of Belarus was attacked by Russian troops supported by Belarus,” the border service said, according to CNN.
The attacks occurred in the regions of Luhansk, Sumy, Kharkiv, Chernihiv and Zhytomyr, according to the border service cited by CNN. Theses areas are located on the eastern and northern borders of Ukraine.
Additionally, the border service said “the attack takes place from the Autonomous Republic of Crimea side,” according to CNN.
Artillery, heavy equipment and small arms were aimed at border units, border patrols and checkpoints, CNN reported.
A U.S. defense official told CNN that the Pentagon is following reports of troops entering Ukraine from Belarus. The source, however, told the network that it was unclear if the troops were strictly Russian or also Belarusian.
The Hill reached out to the Pentagon for more information.
Russian President Vladimir Putin ordered a military operation in Ukraine early Thursday morning Moscow time amid heightened tensions between the two countries. Russia in recent weeks had amassed up to 190,000 troops at the Ukrainian border, stoking fear in the U.S. and allied nations that Moscow was planning an invasion of Ukraine.
Putin on Thursday claimed that the operation was meant to protect eastern Ukraine from what he called a “regime.”
Reports of troops entering Ukraine from Belarus comes days after the two countries extended their military drills, which were set to end on Sunday. Belarusian Defense Minister Viktor Khrenin said military leaders from his country and Russia decided to “continue checking” joint force readiness because of an “increase in military action” near the Belarusian border.
thehill.com
The Ukrainian State Border Service early Thursday said troops attacked Ukraine from Belarus.
“At about 5:00 a.m., the state border of Ukraine in the area with the Russian Federation and the Republic of Belarus was attacked by Russian troops supported by Belarus,” the border service said, according to CNN.
The attacks occurred in the regions of Luhansk, Sumy, Kharkiv, Chernihiv and Zhytomyr, according to the border service cited by CNN. Theses areas are located on the eastern and northern borders of Ukraine.
Additionally, the border service said “the attack takes place from the Autonomous Republic of Crimea side,” according to CNN.
Artillery, heavy equipment and small arms were aimed at border units, border patrols and checkpoints, CNN reported.
A U.S. defense official told CNN that the Pentagon is following reports of troops entering Ukraine from Belarus. The source, however, told the network that it was unclear if the troops were strictly Russian or also Belarusian.
The Hill reached out to the Pentagon for more information.
Russian President Vladimir Putin ordered a military operation in Ukraine early Thursday morning Moscow time amid heightened tensions between the two countries. Russia in recent weeks had amassed up to 190,000 troops at the Ukrainian border, stoking fear in the U.S. and allied nations that Moscow was planning an invasion of Ukraine.
Putin on Thursday claimed that the operation was meant to protect eastern Ukraine from what he called a “regime.”
Reports of troops entering Ukraine from Belarus comes days after the two countries extended their military drills, which were set to end on Sunday. Belarusian Defense Minister Viktor Khrenin said military leaders from his country and Russia decided to “continue checking” joint force readiness because of an “increase in military action” near the Belarusian border.
Ukrainian state border service says troops attacked from Belarus
The Ukrainian State Border Guard Service early Thursday said Russian troops attacked Ukraine from Belarus.“At about 5:00 a.m., the state border of Ukraine in the area with the Russian Federation an…
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