War

Fogdog

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Your analogy misses the point. Yes, there is a civil war going on in Donetsk and propaganda is being used by both sides. That is an regional conflict. Putin is invading the whole country. He's going to create many memorials to the fallen. Kids too. But that's what's going on inside Ukraine.

This is what the Russian people are going to get:

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You gave me a list of principles. Do you think the grieving veteran or son is thinking about that stuff as he reflects on the name of a fallen soldier?
 

printer

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I do not pretend to know how Russian people think but i think if leaders like Gorbachev and Jeltsin continued Russia would be now on her knees with a begging bow. This war isn't a coincidence or a miscalculation lines are being drawn in the sand and soon the USA will be facing a challenge from China with Russia at it's back. For me it's enough that the war in Ukraine is over quickly. Its the best for everyone.
Or become a true free country without Russian Mafia squeezing the country dry?
 

Fogdog

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I do not pretend to know how Russian people think but i think if leaders like Gorbachev and Jeltsin continued Russia would be now on her knees with a begging bow. This war isn't a coincidence or a miscalculation lines are being drawn in the sand and soon the USA will be facing a challenge from China with Russia at it's back. For me it's enough that the war in Ukraine is over quickly. Its the best for everyone.
There is no sign of this war being over, much less willingness of the people of Ukraine to submit to Putin's rule. How far are you willing to go with your support for Putin? How many dead children, dead mothers and dead fathers would it take for you to change your mind?
 

printer

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Russian Move on Kyiv Stalled, Troops Show Signs of Low Morale: US Official
Russia's military move on Kyiv has stalled as its forces struggle with basic logistics challenges, including shortages of food and fuel, with some units appearing to be gripped by low morale, a senior U.S. defense official said Tuesday.

Russia warned residents in capital Kyiv to flee their homes on Tuesday and rained rockets down on the second city of Kharkiv, as Russian commanders who have failed to achieve a quick victory shifted their tactics to intensify the bombardment of Ukrainian cities.

Satellite images taken on Monday show a Russian military convoy north of Kyiv that stretches for about 40 miles (64 km), substantially longer than the 17 miles (27 km) reported earlier in the day.

"One reason why things appear to be stalled north of Kyiv is that the Russians themselves are regrouping and rethinking and trying to adjust to the challenges that they've had," said the official, speaking on condition of anonymity.

The official told reporters that it was unclear whether the convoy itself had stalled, but it was not making much progress.

"The Russians have been surprised by some of the morale problems that they're experiencing and I think they're none too pleased about the logistics and sustainment challenges they've had," the official said, without providing evidence.

Images have appeared on social media over the past several days showing Russian tanks and military vehicles idled on the side of roads, some appearing to have run out of fuel.

The official said the United States had seen indications of some Russian units surrendering without a fight, but did not provide details on how many troops that included.

Still, the bombardment continues. Russian forces attacked a television tower in Kyiv, potentially disrupting its signal, Ukrainian Interior Ministry adviser Anton Herashchenko said on Tuesday.

The Russian defense ministry also said Russia would strike sites in Kyiv belonging to Ukraine's security service and a special operations unit.

"The Russian defense ministry threatening statement today... is indicative of a change here, that they are being quite open about," the official said.

Rocket strikes on Kharkiv killed at least 10 people and wounded 35, Herashchenko said.

Human rights groups and Ukraine's ambassador to the United States on Monday accused Russia of attacking Ukrainians with cluster bombs and vacuum bombs, weapons that have been condemned by a variety of international organizations.

The U.S. official said that Russia had systems that could launch vacuum bombs, but could not confirm that they had been used in Ukraine.

Munitions experts told reporters after reviewing footage that it appeared to show multiple cluster bombs being fired on Kharkiv.

As the invasion entered its sixth day, Russia had committed about 80% of its pre-staged combat into Ukraine and launched more than 400 missiles on Ukrainian targets, but did not control any major cities or have complete control of the skies over Ukraine.
 

0potato0

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There is no sign of this war being over, much less willingness of the people of Ukraine to submit to Putin's rule. How far are you willing to go with your support for Putin? How many dead children, dead mothers and dead fathers would it take for you to change your mind?
I am not supporting Putin he is a psychopath but he is a psychopath that tried to get written guarantees on the status of Ukraine (that USA laughed at) 2 months ago and he has 5000 nuclear warheads
 

Fogdog

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there are people here fantasizing about an army of civilians armed with molotovs and stingrays defeating the invasion
Killing an invading soldier is considered an act of patriotism. That is the same the world around. I saw plenty of images of people celebrating dead US soldiers. It hurt but I understood. I never celebrated the deaths of civilians.

Putin is escalating the violence. I think at first they were being careful to avoid civilian casualties. Not now. They are bombing cities. Reducing neighborhoods to rubble. Kids are being killed too. How many dead children will it take before you stop supporting Putin's war?
 

DIY-HP-LED

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Russian Move on Kyiv Stalled, Troops Show Signs of Low Morale: US Official
Russia's military move on Kyiv has stalled as its forces struggle with basic logistics challenges, including shortages of food and fuel, with some units appearing to be gripped by low morale, a senior U.S. defense official said Tuesday.

Russia warned residents in capital Kyiv to flee their homes on Tuesday and rained rockets down on the second city of Kharkiv, as Russian commanders who have failed to achieve a quick victory shifted their tactics to intensify the bombardment of Ukrainian cities.

Satellite images taken on Monday show a Russian military convoy north of Kyiv that stretches for about 40 miles (64 km), substantially longer than the 17 miles (27 km) reported earlier in the day.

"One reason why things appear to be stalled north of Kyiv is that the Russians themselves are regrouping and rethinking and trying to adjust to the challenges that they've had," said the official, speaking on condition of anonymity.

The official told reporters that it was unclear whether the convoy itself had stalled, but it was not making much progress.

"The Russians have been surprised by some of the morale problems that they're experiencing and I think they're none too pleased about the logistics and sustainment challenges they've had," the official said, without providing evidence.

Images have appeared on social media over the past several days showing Russian tanks and military vehicles idled on the side of roads, some appearing to have run out of fuel.

The official said the United States had seen indications of some Russian units surrendering without a fight, but did not provide details on how many troops that included.

Still, the bombardment continues. Russian forces attacked a television tower in Kyiv, potentially disrupting its signal, Ukrainian Interior Ministry adviser Anton Herashchenko said on Tuesday.

The Russian defense ministry also said Russia would strike sites in Kyiv belonging to Ukraine's security service and a special operations unit.

"The Russian defense ministry threatening statement today... is indicative of a change here, that they are being quite open about," the official said.

Rocket strikes on Kharkiv killed at least 10 people and wounded 35, Herashchenko said.

Human rights groups and Ukraine's ambassador to the United States on Monday accused Russia of attacking Ukrainians with cluster bombs and vacuum bombs, weapons that have been condemned by a variety of international organizations.

The U.S. official said that Russia had systems that could launch vacuum bombs, but could not confirm that they had been used in Ukraine.

Munitions experts told reporters after reviewing footage that it appeared to show multiple cluster bombs being fired on Kharkiv.

As the invasion entered its sixth day, Russia had committed about 80% of its pre-staged combat into Ukraine and launched more than 400 missiles on Ukrainian targets, but did not control any major cities or have complete control of the skies over Ukraine.
NEWSMAX! Trump and Vlad's mouth piece yet! This must be dividing the republicans right down to the lunatics. :lol:
 

CCGNZ

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The US has been badly damaged due to its adventures in Afghanistan and Iraq. There was no benefit to the US or anybody other than some arms dealers. But you knew that.

What does that have to do with the Russia's invasion of Ukraine?

How will the people of Russia benefit from Putin's war?
The long view of this is that #1 Putin's credibility is beyond repair following this incident,# 2 Belarus is finished as the only collaborator in this criminal action,#3 Russia has to rid itself of Putin if it ever is to rehabilitate any kind of relationship w/the West and seek a return to the international community to repeal sanctions and resume any semblance of trade.The Russian people cannot have any kind of life under the current conditions and it's only a matter of time before they rise up in mass beyond the control of Putin's police beatdowns,at that point Oligarchs and generals will plot to rid Russia of Putin to begin the long and arduous task of restoring Russia's credibility. From now on there is no Western leader who can in good conscience can even meet w/Putin as a statesman ever again.The sooner Russia comes to this conclusion the better for all involved, waiting,hoping for a patriotic Russian/Russians w/the courage to rise up and end this.Lets go,there are enough intelligent Russians who can see their country's reputation swirling down the toilet, It's time for some brave potential hero's to take the risk to rise up to this madness for the good of their country.
 
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