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DIY-HP-LED

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i would say half to 3/4 of them would go back to fight, the rest logistics etc etc
The main point is, the Ukrainians have the manpower reserves and support to field an army of hundreds of thousands of extra combat troops by early summer, even before the ground dried out, which I'm sure is a consideration. Almost every one will have an anti armor weapon of some kind on his back and some units can be trained to use mortars etc. Also consider the NATO training and tactical doctrine which depends on individual initiative, perfectly suited for the Ukrainians. In addition to this there is and will be excellent generalship by the Ukrainians and their expert NATO advisors. Nothing adds up for Vlad where it counts, at the decisive point, on the field of battle. The numbers on his economy and capacity to wage war are another matter and I can't see him going on for more than 30 days without going flat broke and chewing up most of his missiles and other weapons.

If the Ukrainians take large numbers of Russian prisoners he might try to kill them if they are in large POW camps with chemical weapons. He would probably also try it if they were inside cities, but by then he would need to do it with long range missiles and move trained troops and equipment in range. Ukrainian air defense might shoot down many and by then could include patriot missile defenses, they can defend against such long range chemical attacks using ballistic missiles.
 

schuylaar

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Famous for towing captured Russian tanks, Ukrainian farmers step up for war effort
Ukraine's farmers now have the fifth-largest army in Europe — or so goes a dark joke on the internet, a reference to all the captured Russian military equipment they've towed off the battlefield.

In a country desperate to keep its spirits up in dire times, the near-daily social media posts featuring Ukrainian farm tractors recovering Russian tanks, trucks and missile launchers that got stuck in their muddy fields have certainly helped.

But now, Ukraine's government is asking its agricultural community for more than just morale boosts.

April 1, the unofficial start of the spring planting season, is looming, and the government of President Volodymyr Zelensky is urging farmers and food producers to redouble their efforts to ensure every last seed is sown and every available piece of land is used to its full advantage.

Chickens are seen on a farm near Lviv, Ukraine. (Jean Francois Bisson/CBC)
That's because the Russian invasion has made an enormous part of Ukraine a war zone and off-limits to food production.

"If things stand as they are, it's very likely that we will be able to safely use only 30 to 50 per cent of arable land," said Nazar Bobitski, who works at the Ukrainian Business and Trade office.
Planting season set to begin
A former Ukrainian diplomat, Bobitski is typically based in Brussels, where he works with European countries to help get Ukrainian farm exports to foreign markets. But since Russia's invasion on Feb. 24, he has returned to Lviv to try to help the country's farming community chart an extremely difficult course over the months ahead. Aside from the actual fighting, Bobitski says Russian troops are trying to systematically destroy farms and farm equipment as they push deeper into the country.

Ukrainian farmers fear much of their prime agricultural land, like this plot outside Lviv, will be unusable this year because of Russia's invasion. Planting season traditionally starts on April 1. (Stephanie Jenzer/CBC)

"One of the very horrific features of this Russian war is that the Russian troops are deliberately targeting and destroying agricultural machinery in Donetsk Oblast, and also near Chernihiv and Sumy," Bobitski said. "They really pursue the scorched earth policy as far as [Ukraine's] agricultural facilities are concerned."

Aside from the dangers farmers face because of bombings and missile attacks, Ukraine's government claims Russian forces have dropped landmines from the air over a huge swath of agricultural area, rendering it unsafe.

Exports curtailed
Ukraine is one of the world's most important agricultural exporters. In 2021, 16 per cent of its gross domestic product (GDP) came from agricultural production — almost 886 billion Ukrainian hryvnia (or $30 billion US).

Agriculture accounted for 45 per cent of Ukraine's total exports, with sunflower oil products, corn, wheat and poultry products leading the way, according to figures compiled by Ukraine's Ministry of the Economy.

Ukraine's bounty "really affects the food security of less fortunate, less developed countries around the world," said Bobitski, noting that Egypt and other North African countries, as well as the Middle East, are among the largest importers of Ukrainian farm products.

But with the expected contraction of Ukraine's agricultural market, Bobitski says its exports will be drastically curtailed, although the country will likely still be able to keep feeding its own people.

"Ukraine will not be able to deliver as we did before to the international market," he said.

Adding to the complicated logistics of getting products to foreign markets, Russia is enforcing a blockade of the Black Sea port of Odesa, which is the primary shipping outlet for distributing Ukraine's bulk agricultural products to the world.

Earlier this week, Ukraine's government offered a loan program for farmers worth over $800 million US. It also slashed taxes for small- and medium-sized businesses to just two per cent.

Supply issues
With much of Eastern Ukraine now essentially off-limits, farmers in western regions of the country are being asked to maximize their crops and ensure they are working at full efficiency.

CBC visited Yaroslav Protsaylo, 51, who has been growing mostly wheat, corn and eggs on his mid-sized farm not far from Lviv.

He says even here, far from the front lines, the war is creating challenges as the planting season approaches.

"I have a problem with the supply of seeds. Some are stuck because they come from the area where there's shelling," Protsaylo said. "Some of the seeds could come from the West, such as Poland and Germany, but not all Western companies want to supply [during a war].

"So it's a question mark [whether we will get the seeds]."

He also said it's hard to get enough diesel fuel to power his equipment, as the military gets priority.

Like many other farmers, Protsaylo has been donating vast quantities of the eggs and dairy products he produces to help feed soldiers and refugees arriving in Lviv.

Bobitski says such humanitarian efforts will inevitably have to slow down as farmers switch their focus to getting the upcoming season's crops in the ground.

"This is not a very sustainable situation, because they are quickly running out of liquidity and supplies," Bobitski said.

Yearning to 'work our fields again'
A few kilometres away from Protsaylo's farm, in Vinyavy village, hazelnut farmer Andrii Zhydachek has organized dozens of local farmers into the GorboGory Agro-tourism Cluster.

Prior to the invasion, Zhydachek was attempting to create what he calls an "agro-tourism" sector near Lviv, featuring farmers markets and other tourism ventures to attract visitors to the rolling hills and farmland outside the city.

Andrii Zhydachek is a hazelnut farmer who manages an agricultural co-operative near Lviv. (Stephanie Jenzer/CBC)
He was in the midst of getting export permits for niche products such as hazelnut milk, which is popular in Europe. Plans are now on hold because of the war, he says, and the focus has shifted to defeating Russia's army.

"We also support our army and our soldiers," said Zhydachek.

That means providing them with food.

"If the Ukrainian army manages to defend us from Russia, from summer we'll begin to clean the land [of mines and ammunition] and work our fields again."
https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/ukraine-farmers-1.6387964
And yet our subsidized welfare bread basket farmers throw food away and kill livestock due to our own internal bullshit.
 

schuylaar

Well-Known Member
If he deploys a wmd, he will be at war with bigger dogs than Ukraine. Syria is one thing. (probably for racist reasons) But deploying wmd in Europe will draw a sharp response from NATO. Enough of a response to make it worse for him than if he’d not done it.
Well Beau tells us there are only two 'rings' to be concerned about..the one you see; the one you hear..you've got 15 minutes to get inside somewhere.

This is good sane info and worth a second listen to.

 

DIY-HP-LED

Well-Known Member
When this war started I talked about the unintended consequences of war on this thread and particularly this war. Vlad should be beginning to realize that now that he blundered so badly and perhaps fatally. Using chemical weapons should also give him pause, if he learned anything from his recent experiences about unintended consequences, ones that will last until he dies, or might cause his own death. The soldiers in Ukraine will be protected and many civilians will seal up their house and apartments with plastic, while thousands of switchblade drones and other goodies pour into the country to end things real fast. If he murdered more than a million civilians in Europe, fellow Slavs next door with chemical weapons, I don't see anyway out for him short of a bullet
 
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DIY-HP-LED

Well-Known Member
Famous for towing captured Russian tanks, Ukrainian farmers step up for war effort
Ukraine's farmers now have the fifth-largest army in Europe — or so goes a dark joke on the internet, a reference to all the captured Russian military equipment they've towed off the battlefield.

In a country desperate to keep its spirits up in dire times, the near-daily social media posts featuring Ukrainian farm tractors recovering Russian tanks, trucks and missile launchers that got stuck in their muddy fields have certainly helped.

But now, Ukraine's government is asking its agricultural community for more than just morale boosts.

April 1, the unofficial start of the spring planting season, is looming, and the government of President Volodymyr Zelensky is urging farmers and food producers to redouble their efforts to ensure every last seed is sown and every available piece of land is used to its full advantage.

Chickens are seen on a farm near Lviv, Ukraine. (Jean Francois Bisson/CBC)
That's because the Russian invasion has made an enormous part of Ukraine a war zone and off-limits to food production.

"If things stand as they are, it's very likely that we will be able to safely use only 30 to 50 per cent of arable land," said Nazar Bobitski, who works at the Ukrainian Business and Trade office.
Planting season set to begin
A former Ukrainian diplomat, Bobitski is typically based in Brussels, where he works with European countries to help get Ukrainian farm exports to foreign markets. But since Russia's invasion on Feb. 24, he has returned to Lviv to try to help the country's farming community chart an extremely difficult course over the months ahead. Aside from the actual fighting, Bobitski says Russian troops are trying to systematically destroy farms and farm equipment as they push deeper into the country.

Ukrainian farmers fear much of their prime agricultural land, like this plot outside Lviv, will be unusable this year because of Russia's invasion. Planting season traditionally starts on April 1. (Stephanie Jenzer/CBC)

"One of the very horrific features of this Russian war is that the Russian troops are deliberately targeting and destroying agricultural machinery in Donetsk Oblast, and also near Chernihiv and Sumy," Bobitski said. "They really pursue the scorched earth policy as far as [Ukraine's] agricultural facilities are concerned."

Aside from the dangers farmers face because of bombings and missile attacks, Ukraine's government claims Russian forces have dropped landmines from the air over a huge swath of agricultural area, rendering it unsafe.

Exports curtailed
Ukraine is one of the world's most important agricultural exporters. In 2021, 16 per cent of its gross domestic product (GDP) came from agricultural production — almost 886 billion Ukrainian hryvnia (or $30 billion US).

Agriculture accounted for 45 per cent of Ukraine's total exports, with sunflower oil products, corn, wheat and poultry products leading the way, according to figures compiled by Ukraine's Ministry of the Economy.

Ukraine's bounty "really affects the food security of less fortunate, less developed countries around the world," said Bobitski, noting that Egypt and other North African countries, as well as the Middle East, are among the largest importers of Ukrainian farm products.

But with the expected contraction of Ukraine's agricultural market, Bobitski says its exports will be drastically curtailed, although the country will likely still be able to keep feeding its own people.

"Ukraine will not be able to deliver as we did before to the international market," he said.

Adding to the complicated logistics of getting products to foreign markets, Russia is enforcing a blockade of the Black Sea port of Odesa, which is the primary shipping outlet for distributing Ukraine's bulk agricultural products to the world.

Earlier this week, Ukraine's government offered a loan program for farmers worth over $800 million US. It also slashed taxes for small- and medium-sized businesses to just two per cent.

Supply issues
With much of Eastern Ukraine now essentially off-limits, farmers in western regions of the country are being asked to maximize their crops and ensure they are working at full efficiency.

CBC visited Yaroslav Protsaylo, 51, who has been growing mostly wheat, corn and eggs on his mid-sized farm not far from Lviv.

He says even here, far from the front lines, the war is creating challenges as the planting season approaches.

"I have a problem with the supply of seeds. Some are stuck because they come from the area where there's shelling," Protsaylo said. "Some of the seeds could come from the West, such as Poland and Germany, but not all Western companies want to supply [during a war].

"So it's a question mark [whether we will get the seeds]."

He also said it's hard to get enough diesel fuel to power his equipment, as the military gets priority.

Like many other farmers, Protsaylo has been donating vast quantities of the eggs and dairy products he produces to help feed soldiers and refugees arriving in Lviv.

Bobitski says such humanitarian efforts will inevitably have to slow down as farmers switch their focus to getting the upcoming season's crops in the ground.

"This is not a very sustainable situation, because they are quickly running out of liquidity and supplies," Bobitski said.

Yearning to 'work our fields again'
A few kilometres away from Protsaylo's farm, in Vinyavy village, hazelnut farmer Andrii Zhydachek has organized dozens of local farmers into the GorboGory Agro-tourism Cluster.

Prior to the invasion, Zhydachek was attempting to create what he calls an "agro-tourism" sector near Lviv, featuring farmers markets and other tourism ventures to attract visitors to the rolling hills and farmland outside the city.

Andrii Zhydachek is a hazelnut farmer who manages an agricultural co-operative near Lviv. (Stephanie Jenzer/CBC)
He was in the midst of getting export permits for niche products such as hazelnut milk, which is popular in Europe. Plans are now on hold because of the war, he says, and the focus has shifted to defeating Russia's army.

"We also support our army and our soldiers," said Zhydachek.

That means providing them with food.

"If the Ukrainian army manages to defend us from Russia, from summer we'll begin to clean the land [of mines and ammunition] and work our fields again."
https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/ukraine-farmers-1.6387964
Most of that grain is probably going to the middle east, via the black sea. I expect the military situation in the south will be much better by fall, no way will they allow Russians on their territory or make a peace while they are. As for grain shipments from the black sea, either the Turks can guarantee their safe passage, or American warships will be allowed to, if Vlad sinks one going to an Islamic country. I imagine it would be the same for all traffic going to Ukrainian black sea ports by then, Vlad will be weak and no use to Turkey. They could get more American aid out of the deal and the US navy could back stop them with spare change, meanwhile blocking Russian ships from entry to the Black sea.

The dictator has a pet canal project in financial trouble that would be useful to America and Europe, it will suddenly find funding.
 

DIY-HP-LED

Well-Known Member
Here is the key to Turkish cooperation, it won't be ready soon, but America and the EU arranging financing could get them to do anything, including patrolling the Black sea with transfered extra American warships, probably stored somewhere, though they have their own too. Erdoğan wants this so so bad he can taste it.
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Turkey’s Plans for a $20BN Istanbul Canal


Turkey is planning on constructing a $20 billion canal across the city of Istanbul. Currently, ships passing through the Mediterranean and Black seas cross the Bosphorus strait, a narrow waterway that cuts right through the megapolis of Istanbul. However, the strait is getting congested and because of the 1936 Montreux Convention, Turkey collects zero revenue and has limited control over it. To solve this problem, Turkey is pursuing plans for a 45-kilometer long canal across the city, which would hopefully relieve congestion from the Bosphorus, collect revenue, and give Turkey more control over transit between the Mediterranean and Black seas. However, the project would also displace thousands, harm the environment, damage Istanbul’s water supply, and disrupt regional stability. Despite this, Turkish president Erdoğan is committed to the project and is hoping to start construction in June 2021.
 

Budzbuddha

Well-Known Member
Forget War crime tribunals / committees for Putin.

Eliminate his existence before something even worse happens.

Especially since there is what is called the “ Russian Dead Hand “ or “ Perimeter “ an Autonomous command and control system since soviet union days for launching nukes by detecting light , seismic and sensory data. A failsafe for secondary nukes that may not have been destroyed or if russian sites get compromised.

Speculation exists that this is a complex system, fully equipped with a variety of communication systems and sensors that control the military situation. This system is believed to be able to track the presence and intensity of communications on military frequencies, and receive telemetric signals from the command posts, measure the level of radiation on the surface and determine intense radiation sources in the vicinity that, combined with the detection of short-term seismic disturbance, signifies a multiple-warhead nuclear strike, and the system may possibly even be able to track people still alive in command posts. The correlation system, after analyzing these factors, may take the final step on launching the missiles.

It has been “ suggested “ that the system is in a semi-dormant state however it is highly likely it has been active since conception.

This is the real Doomsday Device.


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cannabineer

Ursus marijanus
Forget War crime tribunals / committees for Putin.

Eliminate his existence before something even worse happens.

Especially since there is what is called the “ Russian Dead Hand “ or “ Perimeter “ an Autonomous command and control system since soviet union days for launching nukes by detecting light , seismic and sensory data. A failsafe for secondary nukes that may not have been destroyed or if russian sites get compromised.

Speculation exists that this is a complex system, fully equipped with a variety of communication systems and sensors that control the military situation. This system is believed to be able to track the presence and intensity of communications on military frequencies, and receive telemetric signals from the command posts, measure the level of radiation on the surface and determine intense radiation sources in the vicinity that, combined with the detection of short-term seismic disturbance, signifies a multiple-warhead nuclear strike, and the system may possibly even be able to track people still alive in command posts. The correlation system, after analyzing these factors, may take the final step on launching the missiles.

It has been “ suggested “ that the system is in a semi-dormant state however it is highly likely it has been active since conception.

This is the real Doomsday Device.


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BudmanTX

Well-Known Member
What if they Go EU and NATO on Putin's ass!
honestly, that's a little far off to speculate right now imo, do see EU coming but that won't happen till this war is over, then you have all the other27 countries to deal with, think me an another guy talked about this, in this thread
 

Budzbuddha

Well-Known Member
Just as to add to beau vid …. One cannot assume that any nuke hitting would be a “ singular “ device. Multi Warhead payloads tend to be one of the characteristics of Russian weaponry.

I believe I heard the last known amount of Soviet nukes were somewhere around 6500. Of the ones we think we know about.
And not including Hydrogen Bombs to boot. Totally they would end everything no matter the front.

I believe President Zelensky was right that World War III is already started. Putin will scorch earth that country before saving face.
He will not accept defeat , no matter the cost. North Korea is also showing their ass with missile tests ( failures ) . China also has a large armament of nukes Also already “ locked “ position on America.
 
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DIY-HP-LED

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The Pro-Putin Wing Of The GOP Echoes Kremlin Disinformation


Former U.S. Ambassador to Russia Michael McFaul and former FBI Assistant Director for Counterintelligence Frank Figliuzzi discuss the need to battle Russian disinformation within the United States.
 

DIY-HP-LED

Well-Known Member
'Complete lack of normal human morals': Oligarch's ex-partner on life around Putin


CNN's Erin Burnett speaks with Countess Alexandra Tolstoy, the former partner to Russian oligarch Sergei Pugachev, about their relationship with Vladimir Putin.
 
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