War

PJ Diaz

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Thank you. That removes my constraint to address your posts, which I was not going to do behind your back. In your face is fair game.

Fwiw I found myself agreeing with what you posted here yesterday in re the ethics of civilians and war.

The flash I saw suggests a spherical fireball just entering the frame from above. Even more speculative, the apparent softness of the shock wave suggests fuel-air. I don’t know. I imagine more data will be published in time.
A large missile could have also penetrated the bridge deck and detonated beneath it. This logical, since it would confine the blast between the water and the deck, heaving it upward. A slight delay would be all it would take, and it would do more damage going off under a low span close to the water, as it did. I've seen reliable reports it was a missile, but a truck bomb could have done it too, we await more conclusive evidence of either. But a missile going off under the span should not have caught the train cars on fire, they would have been protected by the inner roadway, which appeared to have no damage underneath. I'm still favoring the Truck hypotheses, but we will see.
In this video, they show a clip of a boat below the deck at the moment of explosion:

I also read this, which may or may not be true, but implies a boat:

"The Russian agency outlined that authorities believe the 22-ton explosive was first moved by sea out of the Ukrainian port city of Odesa in August before traveling through multiple countries including Bulgaria, Georgia and Armenia."

BTW, @cannabineer I'd be willing to bet that you and I agree on more topics that you'd expect.
 

Bagginski

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I wonder if these pro russian "Id rather be russian than a democrat" republicans know what Putins policy on public ownership of guns is....there are NO gun stores in Russia...
Brainwashed people don’t ever *think* about their programming: it sits in the unquestioned section, and they become…unpredictable…when the unquestioned contents get poked repeatedly
 

Bagginski

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It is in their interest to keep Russia weak militarily and dependent economically as the make a play for central Asia and leverage their belt and road to the place into a pipeline to China and new customers for its arms and consumer goods, with gas and oil these places will have cash, that they will naturally spend in China. This war, with its global response and the unexpected defeat of Russia has thrown the Chinese and made them think twice about Tiawan. They also realize rich new opportunities exist for the expansion of their soft power in central Asia and there is enough gas and oil there to keep them going with a secure energy source. They should follow the path of least resistance and most profit and this opportunity suits their national interests better and is less risky than openly challenging America with its many allies. They want secure energy the most and that's why they gave security assurances that might end up treaties in the future. This war is good for China too, they don't pay a dime for it, and it opens up so many possibilities for profit and gain in their own backyard, their heads must be spinning in Bejing.
China has become a very interesting question…events in Ukraine put US assurances of support for Taiwan in much sharper relief.

Then again, China has long been good at holding its peace and waiting to see how situations turn out…they are no doubt watching ALL this very closely.
 

Bagginski

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I still wanna know why video frame analysis showed the initial flash well above the frame.
Having spent some time watching it, & getting my orientation straight, the flash comes from the oil tank cars on the railway up & to the right (camera right). Whatever sparked it - lit cigarette, Thermite detonator, incoming missile, rocket, electrical spark - the blast came from there. A report I read said that the oil had leaked from at least one, coating the metal & soaking the cement thoroughly - which it accounts for the photo views & the very long burn time.

There’s no way a truck bomb on the roadway could have set those tankers ablaze from the roadway below, and had there been one, we’d see FAR more damage to the roadway than we do. Personally, I incline toward a minimalist scenario, I think the Russians are just going through the motions of deciding who to punish.
 

Bagginski

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That's a full Division. of trained cadre. Serious fighting strength. Now give them weapons and turn them loose.
Just like they did with the last set of graduates, in Kharkiv - and the forces that class relieved has had about a month & a half to rest & recuperate, so they should be hitting the fight about the same time as this new class. Time for the humpty-hump!
 

Budzbuddha

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Speaking of orcs - let’s breakdown what makes these soldiers tick.

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Their lackluster combat performance, artillery barrages against cities, treatment of civilians, intercepted messages home, and interviews with dozens of civilians around Ukraine allow one to put together a mosaic portrait of the invaders. It’s definitely not a flattering image to say the least.

Many of the soldiers are dirt-poor and badly educated, with many growing up without access to modern amenities. Many joined the armed forces because they have no future in their backwater towns. The majority have bad training, low morale and no faith in their poorly-maintained equipment and their callous or incompetent officers.

When occupying areas, many drank heavily, turning their quarters into shambles, or went around looting anything barely valuable they could get their hands on. Hence , the horrors of gold teeth extractions from those executed and or tortured.

While some civilians acknowledged that they were treated adequately by Russian soldiers, others spoke of casual murder and cruelty inflicted either to feel safe, to satisfy base desires or just for the sake of being cruel. Kadyrovites ( Chechan paramilitary ) have fought very little ( mostly PR ) and been used as barrier units, whose job was to prevent retreat and desertion.

This was enough to rack up more than 15,000 alleged war crimes as of June 1 by Prosecutor General Iryna Venediktova’s reckoning. This ranged from random killings to deliberate murder, to torture and rape of civilians. But now , current numbers have pushed up to 34,000 cases of war crimes.

The average Russian soldier is poor. Many come from rural areas without modern amenities. According to iStories, less than half of village homes in regions leading by death are equipped with things like hot water or gas.

Kamil Galeev, a Russia-based researcher with the Wilson Center, wrote that the rank and file are “young guys from small towns and usually underprivileged backgrounds.”

Ukrainian civilians who lived near or among Russian occupiers told the Kyiv Independent that many Russian soldiers reacted with surprise, envy and disappointment when they saw how even rural or suburban Ukrainians live.

Multiple residents of a housing complex on the edge of Hostomel, as well as two couples living on a block in Irpin that Russians turned into a base, heard the same sentence from their occupiers: “You live better than we do. We don’t have this at home.”

The Looting

The occupiers’ next thought was usually to help themselves to as much stuff as possible.

“Naturally that explains much of the looting, especially in the affluent suburbs of Kyiv but also in places like the Donbas too “.

Russian forces also swiped a great deal of historical heritage from Ukrainian museums, including historical coin collections and art in Mariupol, as well as Scythian gold and historical weapons from Melitopol.

Looting was widespread everywhere the Kyiv Independent interviewed civilians. Estimates of “ looted stuff “ going back to Russia has been estimated at 58 tons.

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Several watches are seen on hand of a dead Russian soldier in Kharkiv on May 14, 2022. (Ivan Chernichkin/Zaborona/Global Images Ukraine via Getty Images)
 

Budzbuddha

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WORTHLESS

Russian inmates who were yanked out of prison to fight in Ukraine have begun receiving their promised “‘pardons” for taking part in the war—but legal experts say the supposed pardons are actually bogus.

The news comes as Russia’s war effort grew increasingly deranged this week as the prison-recruiting tactic apparently became the official new modus operandi. The Wagner Group, a private military force linked to the Kremlin and run by Putin ally Yevgeny Prigozhin, had for weeks been visiting prisons across Russia to lure convicted murders, robbers, and even a cannibal to join the war against Ukraine.

The Russian Defense Ministry, after taking heat for a series of battlefield defeats in recent weeks, then decided to throw their hat in the ring and create their own “special forces unit” made up of inmates from some of the same prisons Wagner had targeted, according to the investigative outlet iStories.

The new unit, called “Storm,” is said to offer inmates the same conditions as Wagner: a six-month contract, payment, and a pardon.

SOME FUCKING DEAL ….


But propaganda footage shared by a media group linked to Wagner founder Prigozhin has sparked suspicions that the pardons may not be entirely legit. In the video released by RIA FAN, several freed inmates are seen receiving medals for their military service.

At least three of the four pictured in a Luhansk hospital are missing parts of their limbs.




With soldier's blood and soldier’s sweat, you earned this pardon. Nobody gave it to you, nobody brought it. You earned it yourself. Precisely for participation in battles and displaying heroism,” a man off-camera can be heard telling the men.

The men look less than enthused as they are presented with what is described as a certificate of achievement from the Russian Defense Ministry, a commemorative Wagner token, and certificates confirming their pardons.

Stanislav Bogdanov, one of the men interviewed in the propaganda video, proudly noted that he was “grateful” to Wagner for helping him find his purpose in life.

“Maybe I was created for something else, and not just to serve a sentence and sit there all my life,” he said.

Bogdanov admitted that he had no military experience prior to enlisting with Wagner. But he was exactly the kind of recruit Prigozhin had reportedly sought out: a convicted murderer (found guilty of murder with “extreme brutality.”)

Bogdanov bludgeoned a judge to death in 2012 using an iron poker and dumbbells. He was sentenced to 23 years in a maximum security prison, and had served only 10 of them when Wagner recruiters released him to help kill civilians in Ukraine.

Now having avoided serving the remaining 13 years, Bogdanov told the propaganda outlet he feels like he’s been given a “second” shot at life.

But it appears he and the other inmates may have been duped.

“Some nobody is handing the convicts papers and medals, telling [two of them] that these are pardon certificates. And the [others] that these are certificates of release. But they look like worthless scraps of paper with somebody’s stamp,” said Olga Romanova, the head of Rus Sidyashchaya (Russia Behind Bars), a human rights group that works closely with inmates.
 
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