Budzbuddha
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Wow … their aim is worse than imperial stormtroopers
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Budzbuddha
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At least it’s depleting munitions- at trees , themselves , the ground.
DIY-HP-LED
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Well, I don't follow the middle east war too closely and have read reports in the past of purported Israeli attacks on Irain focused on their nuclear program, whether by the air force, missile, Musad or proxy. Assassinating their scientist and the link I provided demonstrate their past and current intentions. It's one of the reasons the Iranians have gone deep underground. As for links, I'm not going to go on an exhaustive search of sometime dubious sources, but it is sufficient to say they have attacked the Iranian nuclear program on several occasions and by several means over the years and it appears they are gonna get serious about attacking it in a big way. The IDF and bombs may be involved in the near future according to reports and if Uncle Sam gives the green light. A rain of conventional missiles would be the result and the destruction of their production would I think be included in the package. Perhaps they are hoping they will give a lot of their inventory to the Russians, so it might be wait and see. They will want nuclear technology for all the help they are giving and that could be the payoff for them.
cannabineer
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I am not asking about intentions. I am asking about unambiguously assignable past acts, as implied in the detail quote.
Exhaustive search is a straw man. One or two will do. I’m not asking for the bibliography. dude; put up or ‘fess up.
DIY-HP-LED
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Not forth coming from me, but feel free to do your own research, my assertions about Israel attacking Iranian nuclear facilities are supported by evidence and it ain't hard to find. Methinks you are too focused on relatively unimportant details in the context of my post, which was of the possibility of Israel attacking Irain as a proxy or for its own purposes. Past performance is the best predictor of future behavior and they have attacked them before.
DIY-HP-LED
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Iran vows revenge for 'Israeli' attack on Natanz nuclear site
Iran's foreign ministry blames Israel for Sunday's incident at the Natanz uranium enrichment plant.
www.bbc.com
cannabineer
Ursus marijanus
The bolded is not my experience. A search on Israel bombing Iran led me only to Israel bombing Iraq twice, once as far back as 1982.
Seriously: you made the claim. Substantiate or retract.
cannabineer
Ursus marijanus
This is as low-quality as taking Russia’s word on the legitimacy of the referenda.Iran vows revenge for 'Israeli' attack on Natanz nuclear site
Iran's foreign ministry blames Israel for Sunday's incident at the Natanz uranium enrichment plant.
DIY-HP-LED
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Jesus the debating society! Bombing as in air force bombing yes, back in 1981. Attacking since by whatever means, Hell yes, as in the big bang in the BBC report above. Russia might be swapping nuclear materials or technology for missiles, so that could be the reason for the recent concern, I'd be concerned if I were them. That is the real issue, not trapping people in phrases like a literal robot FFS, apparently missing the bigger picture. This is a pot site not an academic journal, and I wasn't exactly spreading disinformation.
DIY-HP-LED
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From the BBC, 12 April 2021 referencing a recent attack.
cannabineer
Ursus marijanus
I give up. You’ve progressed from being incorrect to being dishonest.
As for trapping you in a phrase … if you do not want to be hoist by your own words, the universal advice is to use different words.
cannabineer
Ursus marijanus
All I find in there is Iran’s claim. No reliable third party demonstrating that Israel did it. My critique stands.
DIY-HP-LED
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Bullshit on being dishonest my phrasing might have been inaccurate, but the intention was to illustrate Israel's willingness to attack a potential threat. Seizing on it like a dog with a bone is more of an issue.
Now there is the real possibility that they could be swapping missiles and drones for nuclear technology with Russia being desperate and Vlad being lawless anyway. Bombing Iran with manned aircraft went out of fashion when their air defenses arrived, and the Israelis would do such things by other means like drones and cruise missiles, as well as cyber and clandestine means. Even if they attacked the Iranians today, they would do it by missile or drone, unless they wanted to take out their air defense system first.
If they think the Russians are helping the Iranians acquire nukes in exchange for missiles, there might be another war. What does Russia have to offer Iran? Food, technology, money, or what it wants most?
Roger A. Shrubber
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That idea might work, if they had any weapons to flood those countries with. They're giving their recruits rusty old shit, they got fucking nothing. russia is just so fucked, and a lot of them don't even realize it yet. If we dropped all sanctions today, it would take them decades to recover, and all the while, the people who have been picking up their slack have been forming new ties, new business relationships, taking old customers who won't want to go back to the russians...
DIY-HP-LED
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cannabineer
Ursus marijanus
I am not interested in intention. I am interested in associated fact.
I have asked that you substantiate the words or change them. I cannot make you do this, and I would not want to. But I observe that if you declare something to be fact, “do your own research” does not improve your argument.
I am being persistent because wars have started for less. It becomes really really important that what is presented as relevant fact be verifiable.
I notice you getting angry in place of informative. This suggests that, at least to some extent, you concur that I have effectively called what amounts to an overreach. I don’t intend to attack your person, and I don’t think I did. But if you can show me that what I think is a pretty bold claim is true, I cannot imagine you refusing to do so.
Roger A. Shrubber
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That was fucking awesome...You always had to imagine what that shit was like before. This is the first time many are getting to see what real war looks like, without the filter of reporters and news services. Those are enemy vehicles, with enemy soldiers inside, getting what they deserve.
DIY-HP-LED
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After they did the Iranians steadily improved air defenses and Israel wouldn't risk pilots, but missiles and drones are another matter, however the facilities have been hardened and placed underground. The attacked the centrifuge's software destroying them, killed scientists and recently did an attack with a big explosion that crippled them. They've probably attacked or impleaded them in countless other ways we don't know about.
If they are cutting a deal with Russia with missiles and drones deal for nuclear tech, it might shift things a bit for Israel and. America too. The Saudi reaction would be interesting!
DIY-HP-LED
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I'm annoyed by pointless hounding over a trivial matter, it seems neurotic and unnecessary while ignoring the larger context. I think we need to move on unless you want to put me in a trophy quote.
I'm not starting any wars here, just observing and commenting on them. I see a potential source of trouble between Iran and Israel, IF, they are swapping technology with Russia.