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Roger A. Shrubber
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then they'll just surrender again...they'll get to be on a first name basis with the jailers.
cannabineer
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Dimko is putting an incorrect slant on it.
Admitting Ukraine to Nato while the war is hot would put Nato into shooting conflict with Russia. That would be seen as an existential threat to Russia and a nuclear-level provocation.
Roger A. Shrubber
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then we should just give them the longest range missiles we have for the HIMARS and other systems we've given them, and LOTS of them...then we just turn a blind eye to how the Ukrainians use them. maybe if they could DESTROY the kerch bridge...and maybe the Sviblovo rail yards, that just happen to be moscow adjacent, and every major rail yard between moscow and the Ukraine border...and the naval base in Sevastopol...then the fucking russians might realize they're fucked, and gtfo...
cannabineer
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DIY-HP-LED
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DIY-HP-LED
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That's obvious to those here, it was the not needing to join NATO part if they defeat the Russians and drive them out part I agree with and the fact Russia will be crippled for a decade or two, depending on the political situation.
DIY-HP-LED
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I'd agree for rail bridges around Ukraine's borders and power substations in Russia as retaliation for attacks on cities. One would end the war and the other would make the Russians share the pain and I think with EU support, Ukraine can repair more transformers than Russia can.
cannabineer
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It wasn’t obvious to me until I searched the stated premise. It’s the part with which you agree that I otoh find fallacious.
DIY-HP-LED
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Nato is hard to get into when at peace. Russia will most likely have their military destroyed by this war and perhaps subsequent ones, they are having a hard time replacing loses in trained troops and equipment. What productive capacity they do have has been crippled by sanctions. The economy is in the process of self-destructing, they lost their NG and oil markets in Europe and military reform won't happen until political reform does. Looking ahead 5 years I can see Russia in the fucking dark ages and Ukraine prospering and militarily strong, having supplanted the Russians as energy suppliers.
DIY-HP-LED
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Speaking of dark ages, time to share this kind of pain with the Russians using retaliation in kind and degree. There should be millions of DIY wood stoves in Ukraine burning wood rubble this winter, many will keep warm by cleaning up and burning the wreckage.
printer
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The Iranian ones are suppose to have the GPS positions enter into them and then let fly. Might be a problem if they make Kiev a GPS free zone. If the drone gets close to a target and gets 'shot' down and explodes into an apartment block close by then there might be a lot of unhappy people.
cannabineer
Ursus marijanus
Even so, young Dimko is putting an unfair spin on it.
printer
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But Ukraine needs Russian prisoners to exchange for Ukrainians. If it were not for that then they could sit it out in a POW camp.
cannabineer
Ursus marijanus
Are we talking GPS or Glonass? If the latter, jam it. If the former, introduce a systematic error to requests from a certain box. This may be tough, since the sats put out a precise, not very directional time signal that the receiver processes. ~shrug~ might be doable, might not.
printer
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Uh, no. Russia will gear up again and Ukraine would have to also. The problem is a lot of money is being spent on Ukraine is not free, they will have to pay some of it back after the war. There is no way Ukraine could afford the goodies it has been using if they were paying for them themselves.
printer
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It is said they are using GPS but not the advanced one used by Nato. That is why they get sort of close.
printer
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"there’s no limit to Putin’s Trump's fear of defeat, his terror of having to acknowledge it, and his desire to avoid a public admission of incompetence. He has built his entire career and his personal image on the idea that his government business machinery is flawlessly effective."
I found this article interesting. Glad I found the site, seems add to what limited information we normally get out of Russia.
meduza.io
I found this article interesting. Glad I found the site, seems add to what limited information we normally get out of Russia.
‘We’re making a snowman. Never mind it’s the summer, we have our orders.’ Political scientist Kirill Rogov on disappointment with Putin — among ordinary Russians and the ruling class alike — Meduza
A shift of public opinion is underway in Russia, following the Russian-orchestrated pseudo-referendums, the annexation of Ukrainian territories, and finally mobilization in Russia itself. The last event in particular has shocked the public opinion. Now that 25 million Russians are facing the...
Budzbuddha
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Just shows they give zero fucks when something goes sideways ( collateral damage ) …. Aim for a field or a parking lot not an occupied building.
DIY-HP-LED
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They need to have air defense outside the city and GPS can be jammed too, I think they will get most of the cheap drones soon and are at 85% now. They will only get better with more experience and redeploying defenses. Ballistic missiles are another issue and systems to deal with them are on the way, or I figure will be. Russia would have a harder time defending against attacks on power substations than Ukraine would and have a more difficult time replacing damaged equipment.