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Roger A. Shrubber

Roger A. Shrubber

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injinji

injinji

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CCGNZ

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DIY-HP-LED said:
I would have thought with night vision equipment they could see them well enough to shoot at them during the night. Some LED flashlights are like WW2 search lights for low altitude work, a dozen 100W COBs in the right housing is pretty bright!
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They have to hit these Iranian drones with AAA otherwise it's extremely inefficient to be using missiles that cost 200,000$ or more,play's into Putin's hands and the West can't replace as quickly,it's a pure numbers game. Missiles need to be used vs. missiles or aircraft only.
 
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CCGNZ

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DIY-HP-LED said:
Everybody has a history that traps them in a way, liberal democracy is a way of breaking out of the cultural trap and adapt to new social conditions and beliefs, the more of it you have the better you adapt. America is an imperfect democracy as is evidenced by the difference between the polices and laws and the polls on many issues. Russia was burdened with the legacy of the Czar's and Stalin, a psychopath of legendary proportions who left scares on the world to this day. The evil people like Hitler and Stalin do lives on after they die, but then again so does the good people do too.

Russian society never knew democratic rule or a free press except for brief periods and is still burdened by imperial thinking at all levels of society. They have had many hard lessons in history that they are currently repeating, the Ukrainians however appear to be breaking out of their history while honoring the important parts. They went liberal democratic and are fortunate to have the help of other liberal democracies, usually the smaller ones get crushed by someone like Russia who invades them or subverts and destroys their democracy.

The secret police keep the empire together and have since the time of the Czars, it used to be Vlad's job before he weaseled his way to the top. The secret police suppress political dissent, separatist or nationalist groups, except for Russian and they suppress political descent among Russians. Russia has a huge internal security force for a reason and it never changed much since the USSR.
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While we all hope for the Russians to "rise up", what you say is sadly true,and just about every Russian family has grandfathers or great grandfathers who disappeared in Stalin's gulags,never to be seen or heard from again. It's fair to say that those memories are not that far removed. Taking on the apparatus of a security state is a big burden to endure requiring courage and cunning in a land where your not sure if you can trust ANYBODY.
 
Roger A. Shrubber

Roger A. Shrubber

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CCGNZ said:
While we all hope for the Russians to "rise up", what you say is sadly true,and just about every Russian family has grandfathers or great grandfathers who disappeared in Stalin's gulags,never to be seen or heard from again. It's fair to say that those memories are not that far removed. Taking on the apparatus of a security state is a big burden to endure requiring courage and cunning in a land where your not sure if you can trust ANYBODY.
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who is going to stop them now if they all rose up? the army? the internal police forces that have been sent to the front to die?
THIS IS THE BEST TIME THEY'LL GET...don't waste opportunities, they're not infinite...
 
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CCGNZ

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Roger A. Shrubber said:
who is going to stop them now if they all rose up? the army? the internal police forces that have been sent to the front to die?
THIS IS THE BEST TIME THEY'LL GET...don't waste opportunities, they're not infinite...
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I understand your impatience,I was hoping that Vlad's clusterFK of epic proportions could prompt his overthrow,but there is still time,and while his reputation as a steely strategist has taken a big hit, his KGB background in rooting out backstabbers and crushing dissent is probably the last skill he will lose.
 
Roger A. Shrubber

Roger A. Shrubber

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i do realize that the world isn't as simple to other people as it is to me...
it's right, or it's wrong. you can add circumstances after you make the initial determination...but right is right and wrong is wrong.
necessity is necessity, and things that HAVE to be done will be done...but necessity doesn't make a wrong thing right, and it never will.
supporting an evil administration is wrong. close to half of our country was, is, and will continue to be wrong, for supporting a party that blatantly does wrong...but that party is fading, and it doesn't seem like the effort to get rid of them will require physical violence. that is very fortunate for us, but others aren't so fortunate.
everyone in russia has been exposed to state propaganda. all but the oldest and/or dullest have also been exposed to world wide media, have seen the truth of most of the propaganda...they KNOW what they need to do. but they don't do it.
they watched "ethnic" russians be mobilized and killed, their lives thrown away stupidly, for a bad cause. they said nothing. they protested nothing.
yes, russia is oppressive...protesting is a risk...freedom is worth some risk. knowing you live under an oppressive regime that lies to you daily, that sends your people to die for an unjust war, to make rich oligarchs richer, to make putin richer...that should be more than enough incentive for the people
to do something. but they do nothing...if all of them would protest, if all of them refused to be drafted, what will putin do? arrest them all? send all of them to Siberia? just mow them all down in the streets and save the Ukrainians some ammo?
form massive protests calling for putin's removal, calling for new leaders who actually give a fuck about the people...then rise the fuck up again if they try to stick another hard liner in putin's place. DEMAND Nalvany's freedom, put him in power...
for god's sake, do SOMETHING other than cowering in the dark waiting on the thought police you outnumber 1,000 to 1
 
DIY-HP-LED

DIY-HP-LED

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Roger A. Shrubber said:
who is going to stop them now if they all rose up? the army? the internal police forces that have been sent to the front to die?
THIS IS THE BEST TIME THEY'LL GET...don't waste opportunities, they're not infinite...
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Russia hasn't reached the bottom yet, but it will soon enough, wait at least until they are humiliated and driven from Ukraine while getting shelled right past the border and into Russia until they are out of HIMARS range. Economic conditions are getting worse by the week and the economy needs to collapse in a bigger way. Russian society hasn't reached the breaking point yet, but they are getting there and by summer social and economic conditions in Russia should be interesting as the army is driven from Crimea in defeat.
 
Roger A. Shrubber

Roger A. Shrubber

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DIY-HP-LED said:
Russia hasn't reached the bottom yet, but it will soon enough, wait at least until they are humiliated and driven from Ukraine while getting shelled right past the border and into Russia until they are out of HIMARS range. Economic conditions are getting worse by the week and the economy needs to collapse in a bigger way. Russian society hasn't reached the breaking point yet, but they are getting there and by summer social and economic conditions in Russia should be interesting as the army is driven from Crimea in defeat.
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they shouldn't have to reach a breaking point...the breaking point should have been when putin invaded Ukraine on bullshit pretexts...the next breaking point should have been when it became apparent that the invasion was a total fuckshow brought about by government corruption and incompetence...the next breaking point should have been the use of ethnic russians for cannon fodder...the next ......
they've reached fucking breaking points...and they should have done something at each one.
they should have done something about the rampant corruption in their own government years ago, and we wouldn't be having this conversation now.
of course, in fairness, we should have shut the fucking republicans down in 2016...
 
DIY-HP-LED

DIY-HP-LED

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Roger A. Shrubber said:
they shouldn't have to reach a breaking point...the breaking point should have been when putin invaded Ukraine on bullshit pretexts...the next breaking point should have been when it became apparent that the invasion was a total fuckshow brought about by government corruption and incompetence...the next breaking point should have been the use of ethnic russians for cannon fodder...the next ......
they've reached fucking breaking points...and they should have done something at each one.
they should have done something about the rampant corruption in their own government years ago, and we wouldn't be having this conversation now.
of course, in fairness, we should have shut the fucking republicans down in 2016...
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Understanding what happened in America helps to understand what is happened in Nazi Germany and in Russia too, though neither society had a grounding in or an appreciation for liberal democracy. Even in liberal democratic Europe it was done differently with state controlled media everywhere in tightly packed Europe, radio couldn't be a commercial free for all. Likewise most countries had and some still have state religions, protestant and catholic. The legal system is different too with no jury trials and there are lots of other historical holdovers and adaptations.
 
HGCC

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cannabineer said:
“a riddle, wrapped in a mystery, inside an enema” or something.
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That's how I describe my dong.
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Overthrowing the government is quite the proposition. I would point out that only the dumbest Americans attempted it when they thought there was some grave injustice going on.

The social pressures are what will cause them to topple putin, not the war effort directly. War is a powerful tool that unites the country, there will always be support for "our boys." Not trying to be that guy, but when we invaded Iraq...would it have been reasonable to expect us to take down the leadership of our country? It's not that far apart. Our country got sold lies and bought into them, the actual truth was right there...but nope, that shit had massive support from both sides of the aisle.

America didn't come close because we did not have any societal fallout other countries would. Things kept functioning fine other than 18 year old kids getting blown up/coming home in boxes, and that had always been something that unites populations. We lose our fucking mind at gas prices going up, that's about it.
 
DIY-HP-LED

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This is what they are sending to deal with drones, cheap and effective a palletized system that can be quickly mounted on a light truck and uses cheap repurposed rockets with new guided warheads.

www.thedrive.com

What The VAMPIRE Weapon System The U.S. Is Sending To Ukraine Can Actually Do

Although the U.S. said it is a counter-drone system, VAMPIRE was designed primarily to sling laser-guided rockets at enemy ground targets.
www.thedrive.com www.thedrive.com

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DIY-HP-LED

DIY-HP-LED

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BudmanTX said:
oh i love this, if it happens, if people remember Pooty hit the power grid of UA, so they'll get cold etc

meanwhile mother nature has something for pooty
https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1610883759930499072

Freezing temps throughout RA, perfect time to hit those LNG pipelines.....and it give a tactical advantage in UA......the ground freeze...

gotta love Karma
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Ukraine wants some of that cold too, they need frozen ground to move. Only the Russians are stupid enough to attack in mud season and they are paying a heavy price for it and getting nowhere while getting mass slaughtered.
 
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