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DIY-HP-LED
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The hodgepodge of western equipment going into Ukraine is getting dizzying,a maintenance nightmare. All the talk of western tanks,10 British Challenger 2's,really?. The only tank that can be given in numbers is the Leopard 2,it runs on diesel and doesn't need the upkeep as much as the American Abrams,which has a jet engine and needs a fuel truck riding shotgun practically,it's out of the picture. The Brit's,10 tanks c'mon man,that's like giving one breath to somebody needing mouth to mouth resuscitation.The combination of IFV's recently given is also ? as to how the Ukranian's can incorporate them into cohesive units,2,are tracked and carry troops in diff. numbers,one is wheeled and has a 105mm gun, good luck to the mechanics also. The longer the conflict drags on, not sure who it favors. Is the west in it to win it to the point of NATO involvement if things take a turn for the worse.I've bounced around a bit researching the war and not every opinion I've checked out has Ukraine winning a complete victory,and I can't envision Putin letting go of Crimea without provoking some kind of serious escalation. Ukraine upped it's goals after the victories last summer and Putin is still all in,we are approaching the 1 yr.mark w/no signs of resolution,prob. 1/2 million killed and wounded military/civilian between both sides,Ukraine 50% of cities and infrastructure destroyed. We were all hoping for Putin to be shitcanned, w/that hopefully ending this, those chances have grown slimmer disappointingly.Just hoping for a resolution to the suffering of these poor people while also avoiding a broader conflagration. I know this,as long as Putin is calling the shots,he will interpret a complete Russian defeat as a threat to Russia's sovereign existence,meaning???????
DIY-HP-LED
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How many missiles does Russia have left?
People have been having this argument since the beginning of Russia’s full-scale invasion of Ukraine.
CANON_Grow
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It's time to double down and get those close to him to understand what happens unless they decide to cause some car problems or show him the window. If all it takes is threats to get whatever a nuclear power wants, why would they stop after Ukraine? If a nuke is going to fly, letting Ukraine fall will only delay the inevitable.
DIY-HP-LED
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The number of different systems is an issue for maintenance, not too much for logistics, but many are shipped to Poland or elsewhere for serious maintenance and a drop in provided. A lot of this stuff was reserve stuff from the EU a mix of western and old Soviet stuff. However once a crew is trained on something they will likely stay with it for the duration. Vindman is now working on the problem of maintenance for them.
Only a portion of some Ukrainian cities have been destroyed property damage is estimated under 100 billion so far I believe and the Russians will end up paying for it with seized money. The Ukrainians are waiting for the ground to freeze hard and offensive operations could begin at any time and hit the Russians like lightning. In the mean time they are chewing up vast hoards of orcs trying to attack dug in defensive positions with a kill ratio of 10:1 or more in favor of the Ukrainians. The Russians were attacking in mud season with infantry and little armor support. M777s with longer range using counter battery radars and drones are picking off those who do fire. HIMARS using drones are also picking off their C&C and rear ammo dumps and they can't operate more than 25 miles from their railheads because of a chronic truck shortage.
They might have 3 times the population of Ukraine, but if a large number of them run away from the country and the rest are untrained and poorly equipped, if at all and being killed at a ratio of 10 to one or more, then it won't help them! Vlad can have a million half starved orcs on the border with spears and shields, but M777s will deal with them from miles away!
printer
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Death toll rises in Russian attack on Ukrainian city of Dnipro
The death toll in the city of Dnipro in east-central Ukraine has risen to 21 after a Russian missile strike hit a nine-story residential building, according to local officials.
Another 73 people were injured, including 14 children, said the head of the Dnipropetrovsk Regional Council, Mykola Lukashuk, in a Telegram post. One child is among the dead, and rescuers are still working to recover 35 missing Ukrainians.
“Burn in hell, Russian murderers,” Lukashuk wrote.
Moscow launched missile strikes against Dnipro and other parts of Ukraine in recent days, its first major move in almost two weeks.
Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky in his nightly address to Ukrainians bashed Russia for hitting civilian targets.
“In the city of Dnipro, a residential building has been destroyed in this Russian strike. An ordinary nine-story panel building, of which there are quite a few in various cities of Eastern and Central Europe. All floors of this building – from the second to the ninth – were smashed in the explosion of a Russian missile,” Zelensky said.
“It’s not yet known how many people are under the rubble. Unfortunately, the death toll is growing every hour … My condolences to relatives and friends,” Zelensky said.
Moscow’s strikes also targeted Kyiv, Kharkiv and Odesa, among other Ukrainian cities.
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The death toll in the city of Dnipro in east-central Ukraine has risen to 21 after a Russian missile strike hit a nine-story residential building, according to local officials.
Another 73 people were injured, including 14 children, said the head of the Dnipropetrovsk Regional Council, Mykola Lukashuk, in a Telegram post. One child is among the dead, and rescuers are still working to recover 35 missing Ukrainians.
“Burn in hell, Russian murderers,” Lukashuk wrote.
Moscow launched missile strikes against Dnipro and other parts of Ukraine in recent days, its first major move in almost two weeks.
Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky in his nightly address to Ukrainians bashed Russia for hitting civilian targets.
“In the city of Dnipro, a residential building has been destroyed in this Russian strike. An ordinary nine-story panel building, of which there are quite a few in various cities of Eastern and Central Europe. All floors of this building – from the second to the ninth – were smashed in the explosion of a Russian missile,” Zelensky said.
“It’s not yet known how many people are under the rubble. Unfortunately, the death toll is growing every hour … My condolences to relatives and friends,” Zelensky said.
Moscow’s strikes also targeted Kyiv, Kharkiv and Odesa, among other Ukrainian cities.
Death toll rises in Russian attack on Ukrainian city of Dnipro
The death toll in the city of Dnipro in east-central Ukraine has risen to 21 after a Russian missile strike hit a nine-story residential building, according to local officials. Another 73 peo…
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DIY-HP-LED
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Vlad is currently trying to get Belarus into the war and scrounging around for warm bodies to slaughter. He hopes a massive attack in the north will blunt Ukrainian offensives into the south towards the sea of Azov cutting the Russian in two and threatening the Kerch bridge. There goes the south of Ukraine and Crimea and another possible attack in the east along with it. I figure dug in territorials will stop the Russians in the north, they are well equipped, trained and many are combat experienced veterans. The Ukrainians will also probably have a large centrally located reserve force too that can go north, south or east quickly.
The show begins when the ground is frozen enough in the right places and it freezes first in the north and last near the sea.
DIY-HP-LED
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Bradley's with tows or a guy on top with a javelin or two directed by the guy below with the sensors and zoom vison. Tank and fighting vehicle all in one...
Let's talk about the Bradley and Ukraine....
Let's talk about the Bradley and Ukraine....
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cannabineer
Ursus marijanus
Does the loss of Soledar (and the apparent inability of the Ukrainians to drive a corridor to the Azov coast) indicate a sea change?
DIY-HP-LED
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Soledar was a tactical withdrawal and not that important to Ukraine, the area is useful for soaking up Russian troops however, the Ukrainians have been fighting defensively there.
As for the sea of Azov and the south the ground might not be frozen enough, the Black sea keeps things warmer longer, up north should freeze quicker. Much depends on soil conditions in the area, more sand means better drainage and black earth means gumbo that sticks to everything. So soil must be frozen to sufficient depth to support heavy equipment, however light trucks should be able to operate on it before most things.
DIY-HP-LED
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Poland and the Baltic states don't necessarily view this as a negative and it should cause revolution and unrest in Belarus, perhaps even a coup with Ukrainian help.
Belarus reported to be "highly likely" to join Russian invasion of Ukraine in February
The editor of the independent Belarussian media outlet Charter 97, Natalya Radina, is reporting that the army of Belarus will soon join the war in Ukraine on Russia’s side. Belarusian troops are highly likely to join the Russian invasion of Ukraine in...
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cannabineer
Ursus marijanus
This dismisses the importance of the fact that both sides fought long and hard for the possession of Bakhmut. Soledar is important to holding Bakhmut. I think you have this one wrong.
Budzbuddha
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DIY-HP-LED
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I'm saying the Russians have absorbed a lot more loses there and it is a mistake to attack in mud season anyway and that the Ukrainians are killing on average 500 Russians a day there, mostly with artillery. If Ukraine launches an offensive operation I doubt it will be there and won't be until the ground is ready.
cannabineer
Ursus marijanus
This has been a conflict of attrition, with the Ukrainians doing the bulk of the attriting until days ago. But they are showing signs of exhaustion while the aggressor is showing signs of upping its game. That is the part I am seeking to have discussed.
DIY-HP-LED
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I don't agree they have been killing Russians at a far greater ratio to their own losses for quite some time, for most of the war. Since the number of western weapons has increased, so too has the kill ratio. The Ukrainians rotate troops out, the Russians do not and are better equipped to deal with the cold than the Russians. There are fresh forces in preparation for offensive operations, the Ukrainians are only using a brigade or two in the area of Bahkmut, a fraction of their strength. It is strategically unimportant to them, but is to the Russians. Nothing has been happening except there because the Russians are stupid enough to attack in the mud.
cannabineer
Ursus marijanus
The scenario you describe was the state of things even a week ago. I suspect it is rapidly evolving to Ukraine’s detriment. I hope I’m wrong, but my weather knee says storm comin’.
DIY-HP-LED
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We will see, my money is on Ukraine beating the shit out of them when they try, offense is much more costly than defense, especially when they know where and when you are attacking. Ukraine will strike their columns back to 50 miles inside their borders with M777 and HIMARS when they are on the start line of their invasion, then deal with whoever is leftover as they attempt to advance on their defenses through the prepared ground in front of them. After the artillery comes the mortars, mines and IEDs and finally the 50cal machine guns...
cannabineer
Ursus marijanus
They took Soledar despite determined Ukrainian resistance.