CANON_Grow
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When the words fit your narrative.....
Ukraine is not in NATO. Not that anyone said they were, but let's keep repeating it.
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Ukraine is not in NATO. Not that anyone said they were, but let's keep repeating it.
Lucky Luke
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It did save many American lives but at the cost of many Japanese lives.
Japans islands it wants back are the ones Russia took and were about to launch their assault on the main islands of Japan from...Japan was very nearly part of Russia.
Japan never had any real intentions of invading Australia. The threat was used as a enlistment tool though and is still widely believed today.
Australian myth of Japanese proposed invasion[edit]
Former Head of the Centre for Historical Research at the National Museum of Australia Dr Peter Stanley has been critical of the oft-repeated, widespread myth that Japan intended to invade Australia, commenting "the invasion myth helps justify the parochial view Australians took of their war effort."
Not sure why anyone thinks the Japanese could of successfully invaded and kept Australia once our battle hardened troops got back from campaigns over seas.
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Lucky Luke
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Its important to understand the alliances. History makes it important.
NATO is to protect other NATO members.
doublejj
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Japan had every intention of occupying Australia until they ran into the US Navy in the Coral Sea. Why not, the Australians had nothing to stop them.
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doublejj
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It is in Americas best interest to keep their hands in NATO, because when that European in fighting gets out of hand they are the ones called upon to straiten out their mess...
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Lucky Luke
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I'm sorry JJ but the Japanese armada in the coral sea was not heading to invade Australia. Japans own war records (along with Australia's intelligence at the time) say there was no real plan to invade Australia.
Even IF they did they would of been booted out in short order once our armies came back home.
Lucky Luke
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Its in Americas best interest to keep control of NATO- 100%.
doublejj
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So China couldn't beat Japan but Australia could?...Math don't check out
Lucky Luke
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Australia is part of the Commonwealth. You dont think every Allied country wouldnt of helped after we just helped them? Twice. Europe owes us a double debt to this day.
Even the fighting in placers like Kokada (which was a fighting retreat) Japan out numbered Australia's soldiers by a large margin but had trouble advancing- and Australia was using part time solders not ones who had fought the Germans for 4 years
Australia is pretty large- not an easy place to take and control.
An invading country would need to take New Zealand first to use as a staging area IMO
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doublejj
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Japan had just taken New Guinea, 90 miles off Australia's coast and had already started bombing raids on Australia & Japan could have encircled Australia and starved them out.
Lucky Luke
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Good little read if anyones interested- off topic though.
The Kokoda Trail fighting was some of the most desperate and vicious encountered by Australian troops in the Second World War. Although the successful capture of Port Moresby was never going to be precursor to an invasion of Australia, victory on the Kokoda Trail did ensure that Allied bases in northern Australia, vital in the coming counter-offensive against the Japanese, would not be seriously threatened by air attack
https://www.awm.gov.au/collection/E84663
The Kokoda Trail fighting was some of the most desperate and vicious encountered by Australian troops in the Second World War. Although the successful capture of Port Moresby was never going to be precursor to an invasion of Australia, victory on the Kokoda Trail did ensure that Allied bases in northern Australia, vital in the coming counter-offensive against the Japanese, would not be seriously threatened by air attack
https://www.awm.gov.au/collection/E84663
Lucky Luke
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O Japan bombed Darwin and Broom but they were tiny little towns back then- thousands of miles from Brisbane or Sydney.
Starve them out? We produce far more food than we need. We are an exporter of food.
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doublejj
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The Japanese had little trouble eliminating the heart of the Commonwealths Navy in the pacific. and It only took them 90 min, On December 10, 1941, the battlecruiser HMS Repulse and battleship HMS Prince of Wales were sunk off the east coast of Malaysia. The British warships were the central elements of Force Z, tasked with intercepting a Japanese invasion fleet.
doublejj
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Fuel oil?....Machinery? in 1941?..
Lucky Luke
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Lots of ships sunk from both the allies and Axis.
Had a English client who fought in the Malaysian campaign.
doublejj
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1,000 Chechen Fighters Join Ukrainian Army In Fighting Putin, Liberating Ukraine; Slam 'TikTok Troops'
1,000 Chechen Fighters Join Ukrainian Army In Fighting Putin, Liberating Ukraine
Some 1,000 Chechen fighters have joined the Dzhokar Dudayev battalion and are fighting against Russians in the war in Ukraine.
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Lucky Luke
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I thought in your model the attacking Japanese were encircling our large/ huge coastline (over 37,000 miles) to starve out a population that could feed itself quiet easily and had survived making and fixing stuff since the first fleet?
Its interesting talkig about it but as everyone in the know has concluded- it wasn't going to happen and if it did they would of been booted out pretty quick.
Not much oil but we were self sustaining for 40 years.
We do have heaps of gas.
Australia is now the world's largest gas exporter
Australia recently overtook Qatar to become the world’s largest exporter of gas (exported as Liquefied Natural Gas, or LNG).
www.climatecouncil.org.au
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doublejj
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The British were never a Naval Force in the Pacific again. Japan ruled the pacific. Take a close look at this map and notice that the Japanese occupations to the south ended on June 4th 1942. What do you think happened on June 5th?..see Battle of Midway
Lucky Luke
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Japan's fleet was huge- I'm well aware. Japan took and had lots of tiny hardly inhabited islands along with slightly larger islands. But that doesn't mean they planned to or was going to or could invade and take Australia. Its just an old myth. Many still believe it but the evidence from Japans records to Australia's intelligence says it just wasn't true.
It always makes a great talking point though.
doublejj
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Old myth? That doesn't make sense, why wouldn't they? Australia had nothing to stop them in 1942. If the US hadn't sunk the 4 Japanese carriers on June 5th at Midway, Japan would have kept on going south. There were only a couple of large cities in Australia and they would have bombed them into submission is short order. Go look at what they were doing to Manchuria at the time and China had a population of 500 million in 1942.