War
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DIY-HP-LED
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Unfortunately, good or bad they all wear the same uniform and take the same orders, and they all look the same through a gunsight or drone camera.
DIY-HP-LED
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Fogdog
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The opposite may be true
Russia Is Sending Its Ethnic Minorities to the Meat Grinder
Chaotic mobilization sparks renewed fears that the pain will not be shared evenly across Russia.
Russia Is Sending Its Ethnic Minorities to the Meat Grinder
Chaotic mobilization sparks renewed fears that the pain will not be shared evenly across Russia.
foreignpolicy.com
The BBC’s Russian service examined reports of more than 6,000 confirmed battlefield losses and found that by the beginning of September, troops from Dagestan, Buryatia, and Krasnodar in southern Russia had lost the most soldiers—over 200 deaths from each region. By comparison, only 15 people from the Moscow region, which accounts for almost one-tenth of Russia’s population, had been killed in battle.
Lucky Luke
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Not at all. Just being a realists about a war and commenting on a war thats been going for quiet some time. War's are interesting are they not?
Do you really believe that the war will be over this year?
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Lucky Luke
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Maybe but when trump wanted America to leave NATO the concern was Nato would fall apart. They would of had to of found more money- well Germany and France and England would of had to and they don't really need the rest of the other countries... Germany, France and England don't even trust each other- how could they?
Insult to Europe? Ha! They have attacked, invaded and killed and raped and pillaged each other for centuries and will for more centuries.
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HGCC
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It will depend on when putin dies. I don't think any successor will have the will or desire to keep the debacle going. They can get a clean-ish exit by trying to hang it around putins neck and say that it died with him.
Lucky Luke
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For sure. If you cannot conquer destabilize and set back.
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Lucky Luke
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If Putin dies then yea its all over fast. Next ending maybe the next Ukraine election in the first quarter of next year if Zelensky holds it. He may try to not hold it but that would look bad to democratic countries supporting him.
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DIY-HP-LED
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It takes a few years to leave NATO after giving notice and by the time Trump got around to it, it would have been too late, so he just tried to piss everybody off at America and create bad blood among the members, pulling out of NATO would not have passed muster, even for him. He was a moron and know nothing and we are all fortunate that he was so utterly stupid and incompetent at anything but causing division and seducing idiots. Great power has the Donald over the weak minded, strong is the dark side with in him!
HGCC
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It seems really really unlikely that zalenzky would lose.
Maybe it's a cultural thing, but I can't imagine being a Ukrainian and not wanting to continue the fight. Arm chair quarterbacking as we are, sure there is an argument for coming to the table, but not in reality. My guess is that every Ukrainian has had a loved one killed by the invaders, for quite a few I would guess it's several. How do you not take revenge? Asking them to just take it on the chin and give up and accept the invasion is something that just seems so far outside of the realm of human nature I can't buy it.
The Ukrainians spirit didn't get broken. I don't think you can accept an invasion until that happens.
Then again, I'm armchair quarterbacking as well, perhaps many are willing to cut their losses. I can't really imagine what it would be like. I'm picturing a dad with one kid and that kid got killed (or stolen...wtf vlad), my existence would then become killing as many of them as possible, preferably in their own homes as they slept. But on the other hand, perhaps you have 2 kids and want to try and save/take care of the remaining one so you just want it to end.
Maybe it's a cultural thing, but I can't imagine being a Ukrainian and not wanting to continue the fight. Arm chair quarterbacking as we are, sure there is an argument for coming to the table, but not in reality. My guess is that every Ukrainian has had a loved one killed by the invaders, for quite a few I would guess it's several. How do you not take revenge? Asking them to just take it on the chin and give up and accept the invasion is something that just seems so far outside of the realm of human nature I can't buy it.
The Ukrainians spirit didn't get broken. I don't think you can accept an invasion until that happens.
Then again, I'm armchair quarterbacking as well, perhaps many are willing to cut their losses. I can't really imagine what it would be like. I'm picturing a dad with one kid and that kid got killed (or stolen...wtf vlad), my existence would then become killing as many of them as possible, preferably in their own homes as they slept. But on the other hand, perhaps you have 2 kids and want to try and save/take care of the remaining one so you just want it to end.
BudmanTX
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to the first question: was are interesting and they dynamics
to the 2nd question: lets see, and time will tell.....there is a new offensive being prepared to cut kherson off and to get the Nuke plant back in UA hands, also if i'm guessing right and if they push hard enough they will get the 2 ship yards back as well effectively cutting the russian lines......then it too Crimea and Donbas, hold them there while cutting off supply lines.......we'll see....throughout this year is gonna be interesting in that arena...
Lucky Luke
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Ukraine is still the under dog in this war IMO. Its their land being turned to rubble and the international community for some reason just expects them to take back the land Russia has annexed in just a few short months- big ask and a heavy weight to carry and probably unrealistic. Then they have to keep it? They don't have the population to throw into a war like Russia does. Lots of Ukrainians are pro Russian. Lots of Ukrainians consider themselves Russian- Zelensky campaigned for his Presidency for closer ties with Russia so that could potentially cost him the Presidency at the election next year. A pro Russian party may look good for people living in rubble with no money, no food or heat.
Long way to go for Ukraine.
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HGCC
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Will see what happens, seems like a hard sell as I would assume they know who turned their country to rubble. Tough way to win support.
No clue on how the local whatnots work, but holding the territory seems like it would be more of an issue for the invaders than the people who were already there. My guess is the local residents don't care, but again back to the first point, they probably do now.
No clue on how the local whatnots work, but holding the territory seems like it would be more of an issue for the invaders than the people who were already there. My guess is the local residents don't care, but again back to the first point, they probably do now.
Lucky Luke
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Russia has held some of it for years. The newer territories might be a little easier but gaining ground in a ground war after the initial tussle is a slog. Look at the long stale mates that are part of European war.
cannabineer
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What European war of the last 100 years involved long stalemates?
Roger A. Shrubber
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We aren't allowing them to take the war into russia, because NATO is full of motherfucking cowards who tremble at the thought of putin's nuclear arsenal...The russians may have more men, but they don't have enough decent weapons or ammuniton for the men they already have, and NONE of those available to be recruited are willing to go, they will have to be shanghai'ed off the streets and forced into uniform...they've already cleaned out prisons and mental institutions for "recruits".
I'm sure some Ukrainians are pro russian, there are always a few traitors, but i question how many still support them after they have seen the russians in action, bombing civilians, hospitals, schools, churches....after the russians have kidnapped Ukrainian children, raped little girls and old ladies...
finally, stories don't support your statement of Zelensky ever campaigning on closer ties with russia....
https://www.cnn.com/2019/04/23/europe/ukraine-zelensky-win-russia-relations-intl/index.html
https://foreignpolicy.com/2020/05/20/ukraine-zelensky-corruption-russia-european-union/
I don't think it's nearly as far for Ukraine to go as you seem to imply.
DIY-HP-LED
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This conflict does not have those conditions once the Russians are driven to the borders and their road and rail infrastructure inside their borders is destroyed, they can't come back. The Russians are nearly spent after an infantry offensive largely in the mud against defenses and a prepared killing grounds and they keep on feeding masses of troops into it. The Ukrainians have been constantly training new troops most of them young men, most of the people holding the line and killing Russians are older territorials with many veterans among them and supported by regular army troops. They have been receiving massive amounts of armor and arms too and constantly training and preparing. They will be ready, and the Russians will not, it's like Vlad is sleep walking into disaster and is powerless to avoid his fate, some around him say Vlad has gone mad.
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doublejj
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You underestimate how much of a putin tool trump is....trump would sell his daughter for putin, and probably has.
cannabineer
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The reason the front has been nearly static is because that has been the cheapest way for Ukraine to feed Russian assets into the rock crusher. They’d be worse off had they traded the aggressor, offensive for offensive.
They seem to be tooling up to go on the attack. In the meantime, the casualty list (personnel and matériel) is asymmetric in the defender’s favor.
I’m not disagreeing; I’m elaborating