Elons Little Plan

Fogdog

Fogdog

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doughper said:
He has recently been appearing rather nutty, megalomaniac and Austin Powersish,
since about the time he took over Twitter. He was for AI, then against it, now he's
on the fence with it, judging from his statements on CNBC today. He sure can hold
a long pause for thought, but what he finally dredged from the muck of his brainpan
seemed reasonable to me on most topics covered.
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We should judge him by what he does and not what he says.
 
CANON_Grow

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doughper said:
He has recently been appearing rather nutty, megalomaniac and Austin Powersish,
since about the time he took over Twitter. He was for AI, then against it, now he's
on the fence with it, judging from his statements on CNBC today. He sure can hold
a long pause for thought, but what he finally dredged from the muck of his brainpan
seemed reasonable to me on most topics covered.
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He was for it because he thought he would be able to direct it and benefit from it. Realized he wasn't going to have control and others would benefit from it so he was against it. He is trying to build another AI company now, so he wants any competition paused for a bit while he tries to catch up, and will be fully for it once he has. There is no hiding that he's a megalomaniac, but he has fooled so many people for so long.

"...Mr. Musk has ramped up his own A.I. activities, while arguing publicly about the technology’s hazards. He is in talks with Jimmy Ba, a researcher and professor at the University of Toronto, to build a new A.I. company called X.AI, three people with knowledge of the matter said. He has hired top A.I. researchers from Google’s DeepMind at Twitter."

"What Mr. Musk’s A.I. approach boils down to is doing it himself. The 51-year-old billionaire, who also runs the electric carmaker Tesla and the rocket company SpaceX, has long seen his own A.I efforts as offering better, safer alternatives than those of his competitors, according to people who have discussed these matters with him."
www.nytimes.com

Elon Musk Ramps Up A.I. Efforts, Even as He Warns of Dangers (Published 2023)

The billionaire plans to compete with OpenAI, the ChatGPT developer he helped found, while calling out the potential harms of artificial intelligence.
www.nytimes.com www.nytimes.com
 
Bagginski

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He wants to be seen as a mover & shaker, but he’s just a reactor: no solid planning, no clear thinking, no comprehensive vision or overall improvement, nothing *new*; just…flashbulbs & dazzle…and going home in a huff, taking his ball with him

just another Afrikaaner…
 
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doughper

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CANON_Grow said:
he's a megalomaniac, but he has fooled so many people for so long.
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Fooled who, these fools?
https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2023/05/16/ai-congressional-hearing-chatgpt-sam-altman/
OpenAI chief executive Sam Altman testified before Congress for the first time on Tuesday, as the surging popularity of his company’s ChatGPT continues to trigger debate about the possibilities and perils of artificial intelligence.
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Muck doesn't need to fool anybody. The fools in Congress, for either reasons of greed and corruption, malfeasance or just plain old apathetic ineptitude won't do a damn thing about regulating the www. Never have, never will.
 
Roger A. Shrubber

Roger A. Shrubber

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https://fortune.com/2023/05/17/elon-musk-work-from-home-remote-tesla-twitter-unfair/

"Musk argued that tech workers—who he characterized as the “laptop class”—were unfair in demanding privileges that other people, like service workers or factory employees, could not enjoy. “You’re going to work-from-home, and you’re going to make everyone else who made your car come work in the factory? You’re going to make people who make your food that gets delivered—they can’t work from home?” Musk asked. “Does that seem morally right?”
“People should get off their goddamn moral high horse with the work-from-home bullshit,” he said. “They’re asking everyone else to not work from home while they do.”

This is about the first thing he's ever said that i agree with, the whole work from home thing has seemed like a horrible idea since they stopped lockdowns.
It IS unfair to everyone else in the work force that can't do it, it was an emergency measure, and the emergency is over.
People today seem to want to stay teenagers forever, living in their parent's homes, working irregular jobs, for irregular pay, and they're all expecting to just take over their parent's homes when they pass away. That's motherfucking pathetic, and will lead to a generation of useless fucking crybabies, which we're already starting to see.
If you have a legitimate health issue, you should be allowed to work from home, otherwise, go to the fucking office, like everyone else.

https://news.stanford.edu/2020/03/30/productivity-pitfalls-working-home-age-covid-19/

https://www.forbes.com/sites/benjaminlaker/2020/08/24/working-from-home-is-disliked-by-and-bad-for-most-employees/?sh=7b17a53f6734

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/12/study-how-working-from-home-boosts-and-hurts-productivity-creativity.html

some people do well working from home, but most people do not...
 
HGCC

HGCC

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Roger A. Shrubber said:
https://fortune.com/2023/05/17/elon-musk-work-from-home-remote-tesla-twitter-unfair/

"Musk argued that tech workers—who he characterized as the “laptop class”—were unfair in demanding privileges that other people, like service workers or factory employees, could not enjoy. “You’re going to work-from-home, and you’re going to make everyone else who made your car come work in the factory? You’re going to make people who make your food that gets delivered—they can’t work from home?” Musk asked. “Does that seem morally right?”
“People should get off their goddamn moral high horse with the work-from-home bullshit,” he said. “They’re asking everyone else to not work from home while they do.”

This is about the first thing he's ever said that i agree with, the whole work from home thing has seemed like a horrible idea since they stopped lockdowns.
It IS unfair to everyone else in the work force that can't do it, it was an emergency measure, and the emergency is over.
People today seem to want to stay teenagers forever, living in their parent's homes, working irregular jobs, for irregular pay, and they're all expecting to just take over their parent's homes when they pass away. That's motherfucking pathetic, and will lead to a generation of useless fucking crybabies, which we're already starting to see.
If you have a legitimate health issue, you should be allowed to work from home, otherwise, go to the fucking office, like everyone else.

https://news.stanford.edu/2020/03/30/productivity-pitfalls-working-home-age-covid-19/

https://www.forbes.com/sites/benjaminlaker/2020/08/24/working-from-home-is-disliked-by-and-bad-for-most-employees/?sh=7b17a53f6734

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/12/study-how-working-from-home-boosts-and-hurts-productivity-creativity.html

some people do well working from home, but most people do not...
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I would argue the drop in productivity is more the result of quiet quitting than being at home. Not at all uncommon to have been expected to work 50-60 hours a week while only getting paid for 40. For decades productivity climbed while compensation stayed the same. Pandemic kind of broke that.

The car factory work can't be done from home as you need to access the assembly line, the food stuff can't be done without access to restaurant sized kitchen. If the equipment you need for your job is just a laptop...well there isn't a point to going anywhere.

Remote work also allows smaller firms to better attract talent. They can't compete in terms of facilities, this levels that. You can also attract talent that may not want to live in the state where you operate, I wouldn't live in Texas or Florida but would be fine working for a company based there.

It's gotta be more environmentally friendly than having people commute in daily, less congestion on the roadways and less crowded in general.

Along those lines, it's a great quality of life boost if you have to deal with meetings in a bunch of different time zones at all hours of the day. Not spending an hour each way commuting is also pretty helpful.

Musk wanted people to live at the office on cots, his view on the topic is wrong.
 
GenericEnigma

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HGCC said:
I would argue the drop in productivity is more the result of quiet quitting than being at home. Not at all uncommon to have been expected to work 50-60 hours a week while only getting paid for 40. For decades productivity climbed while compensation stayed the same. Pandemic kind of broke that.

The car factory work can't be done from home as you need to access the assembly line, the food stuff can't be done without access to restaurant sized kitchen. If the equipment you need for your job is just a laptop...well there isn't a point to going anywhere.

Remote work also allows smaller firms to better attract talent. They can't compete in terms of facilities, this levels that. You can also attract talent that may not want to live in the state where you operate, I wouldn't live in Texas or Florida but would be fine working for a company based there.

It's gotta be more environmentally friendly than having people commute in daily, less congestion on the roadways and less crowded in general.

Along those lines, it's a great quality of life boost if you have to deal with meetings in a bunch of different time zones at all hours of the day. Not spending an hour each way commuting is also pretty helpful.

Musk wanted people to live at the office on cots, his view on the topic is wrong.
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It's been my experience that folks who have a good work ethic will work well from wherever they are, whatever they're doing.

Current pushback is from the interests of property owners. However, capitalism follows efficiency, and there is nothing efficient about sitting in a rented office on a Zoom call.

The writing is on the wall.
 
HGCC

HGCC

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Quite so, no point in a company paying for office space and people paying to commute to the office space.

We closed a bunch of offices, there is now a communal office type location people can go to if they so desire.

Personally I like the hybrid model, it's nice to see people face to face sometimes and there are benefits to in person collaboration, in addition it's nice to get out of the house...but not daily.
 
Billy the Mountain

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Roger A. Shrubber said:
https://fortune.com/2023/05/17/elon-musk-work-from-home-remote-tesla-twitter-unfair/

"Musk argued that tech workers—who he characterized as the “laptop class”—were unfair in demanding privileges that other people, like service workers or factory employees, could not enjoy. “You’re going to work-from-home, and you’re going to make everyone else who made your car come work in the factory? You’re going to make people who make your food that gets delivered—they can’t work from home?” Musk asked. “Does that seem morally right?”
“People should get off their goddamn moral high horse with the work-from-home bullshit,” he said. “They’re asking everyone else to not work from home while they do.”

This is about the first thing he's ever said that i agree with, the whole work from home thing has seemed like a horrible idea since they stopped lockdowns.
It IS unfair to everyone else in the work force that can't do it, it was an emergency measure, and the emergency is over.
People today seem to want to stay teenagers forever, living in their parent's homes, working irregular jobs, for irregular pay, and they're all expecting to just take over their parent's homes when they pass away. That's motherfucking pathetic, and will lead to a generation of useless fucking crybabies, which we're already starting to see.
If you have a legitimate health issue, you should be allowed to work from home, otherwise, go to the fucking office, like everyone else.

https://news.stanford.edu/2020/03/30/productivity-pitfalls-working-home-age-covid-19/

https://www.forbes.com/sites/benjaminlaker/2020/08/24/working-from-home-is-disliked-by-and-bad-for-most-employees/?sh=7b17a53f6734

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/12/study-how-working-from-home-boosts-and-hurts-productivity-creativity.html

some people do well working from home, but most people do not...
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It really depends on the job, remote work is just not possible for many jobs.
For years, my job has involved managing servers and/or programming. The servers are more often than not remote; even at the office I'm still not anywhere near the servers. For my type of gig, it's irrelevant where I login from. I've gone into the office 2-3 days a week for a couple of decades, primarily for meetings; most of my colleagues do the same.

So long as the work gets done, no one has ever complained. I've seen zero correlation between a worker's productivity (both good and bad) and their location.
 
HGCC

HGCC

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Musk could just be stirring the pot and trying to sow division between working people. The billionaire telling one group "hey look at those guys" to keep people at each other's throats. Along the lines of that old LBJ quote about convincing poor whites they are better than blacks so you can pick their pockets.


You know...just as a point of discussion.
 
Roger A. Shrubber

Roger A. Shrubber

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HGCC said:
Musk could just be stirring the pot and trying to sow division between working people. The billionaire telling one group "hey look at those guys" to keep people at each other's throats. Along the lines of that old LBJ quote about convincing poor whites they are better than blacks so you can pick their pockets.


You know...just as a point of discussion.
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I don't think muck is socially conscious, I think it is 100% bullshit to make him seem like he gives one thin fuck about humanity.
He couldn't care less about an agenda, except his own. He spreads misinformation and fascist propaganda because that's who he is, and that's who raised him...His father is just as big a fucking racist, fascist fuckface as he is...looks like a bad genetic roll of the dice for his demonspawn with the ridiculous name...
He doesn't sow division with a goal in mind, he just does it because that's what assholes do.
He could care less what white, black, brown or yellow people do, as long as they don't get in his way.
There may be an Illuminati equivalent in the world, although i doubt it's anything like conspiracy nuts imagine it, but if it does exist, muck isn't a part of it....He can't agree with anyone else for 5 minutes, and can't keep his mouth shut for 5 seconds. They wouldn't have him, if they did exist.
 
Bagginski

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I don’t think it will cause “an upheaval”.
The only people who didn’t expect this have been in solitary for a couple years

Rattery indeed, tho
 
DIY-HP-LED

DIY-HP-LED

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Roger A. Shrubber said:
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/5/24/climate-scientists-flee-twitter-as-hostility-surges

Who would have imagined that having a fascist authoritarian asshole take over twitter would have led to it being overrun with ignorant fascist morons?
OH YEAH, EVERYONE WITH A FUCKING BRAIN....
Twitter is fucking dead, if the press would just quit publishing stories about it, it would go the fuck away.
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Rivals are on the way and Jack Dorsey who ran Twitter is sending out invites to "Bluesky" to the journalists, politicians, celebs and other movers and shakers. Elon won't have long to fuck up, the place has turned into the parlor and there are more Russian trolls and bots on twitter than people. If they had all the trolls they have online fighting in Ukraine instead of typing, they would win the war. Elon's battlefield is one on which even the Russians can win on, the defenses are unmanned and weak, and the leadership more corrupt and incompetent than they are.
 
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Fogdog

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DIY-HP-LED said:
Rivals are on they and Jack Dorsey who ran Twitter is sending out invites to "Bluesky" to the journalists, politicians, celebs and other movers and shakers. Elon won't have long to fuck up, the place has turned into the parlor and there are more Russian trolls and bots on twitter than people. If they had all the trolls they have online fighting in Ukraine instead of typing, they would win the war. Elon's battlefield is one on which even the Russians can win on, the defenses are unmanned and weak, and the leadership more corrupt and incompetent than they are.
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how many times do we see links to twitter compared to alternatives? Telegraph, maybe? That one became the alternative to twitter when tweets from right wing twits were banned.

I don't have an account w/twitter but I still see and sometimes open links on twitter. It's still relevant.
 
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