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DIY-HP-LED

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Fogdog said:
Erdogan might just be playing the propaganda organ but it's the second war drone he's announced (the other was an aircraft-bomber). to what end? I don't see who else in his region he'd use that against other than Russia.
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His son in law runs the Bayraktar drone company and they export internationally so riding on their reputation they came up with this I guess. It is either a jet ski powered copy of a Ukrainian design or maybe those Ukrainian marine drones were prototypes, the Turks provided, or a secret joint project when they saw their success. It is how they control them at a distance that interests me, and it looked like a starlink phased array antenna, but I understand the US military/NATO has a similar system or will have. They would have stepped on Elon a lot harder if they didn't have something equivalent or plan to, it is just too damn useful for remote control operation anywhere at ground level. It is very hard to jam and provides enormous bandwidth with low latency. The military and the CIA should be all over this technology.
 
cannabineer

cannabineer

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Fogdog said:
Erdogan might just be playing the propaganda organ but it's the second war drone he's announced (the other was an aircraft-bomber). to what end? I don't see who else in his region he'd use that against other than Russia.
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The mountainous (well, more mountainous) areas in Turkey’s east contain all sorts of ethnic undesirables: Kurds, Armenians and others. His focus may not even extend to Russia.
 
DIY-HP-LED

DIY-HP-LED

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Putin used the internet to attack every western democracy and interfere in its politics, they are paying the price for that and other offenses now in Ukraine and at home. Many in the American diplomatic, intelligence and military communities wanted payback for Trump and Vlad gave them the perfect opportunity, ditto for the UK and other western democracies. Putin was part of an autocratic support network, and he will be missed by the other assholes, they need to worry that we will turn on them next. Autocracy is the enemy of liberal democracy, and we need to develop a low tolerance for it and make them pay a price for it. Fascism, religious extremists and the resulting dictatorships and autocracies should have no place in the future of this world, we can no longer afford to carry the burden and with new empowering technology coupled with climate change, the risks are becoming too great. We can't afford to have lawless nations ruled by psychopathic maniacs, the more powerful they are the more dangerous.

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Fogdog

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DIY-HP-LED said:
Putin used the internet to attack every western democracy and interfere in its politics, they are paying the price for that and other offenses now in Ukraine and at home. Many in the American diplomatic, intelligence and military communities wanted payback for Trump and Vlad gave them the perfect opportunity, ditto for the UK and other western democracies. Putin was part of an autocratic support network, and he will be missed by the other assholes, they need to worry that we will turn on them next. Autocracy is the enemy of liberal democracy, and we need to develop a low tolerance for it and make them pay a price for it. Fascism, religious extremists and the resulting dictatorships and autocracies should have no place in the future of this world, we can no longer afford to carry the burden and with new empowering technology coupled with climate change, the risks are becoming too great. We can't afford to have lawless nations ruled by psychopathic maniacs, the more powerful they are the more dangerous.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1684179465016860673
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Did you just say that the US's involvement Ukraine is, to many who serve the US people, payback for Putin's psyops against the US? Payback? This is not payback. The US, under Biden's administration, would have done exactly that same as it has done whether or not Putin attacked the US's election in 2016.
 
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DIY-HP-LED

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Fogdog said:
Did you just say that the US's involvement Ukraine is, to many who serve the US people, payback for Putin's psyops against the US? Payback? This is not payback. The US, under Biden's administration, would have done exactly that same as it has done whether or not Putin attacked the US's election in 2016.
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Sure, they would have, but personal motivations count for a lot of enthusiasm, and not just for Ukrainians, I've seen the attitude from the national security alumni on TV. It all adds up to a hostile foreign power who is attacking liberal democratic governments globally. I think the Biden doctrine is to support liberal democracies and help defend them from all kinds of attacks by Russia, like cyber, social media, or cybercrime, political assassinations and actual invasion. The fact that these guys are assholes helps in this task immensely as we saw after Bucha and other atrocities. The era of supporting strongmen who don't have any real domestic support is over, Modhi and Erdogan were elected, so was Orban.
 
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DIY-HP-LED said:
Sure, they would have, but personal motivations count for a lot of enthusiasm, and not just for Ukrainians, I've seen the attitude from the national security alumni on TV. It all adds up to a hostile foreign power who is attacking liberal democratic governments globally. I think the Biden doctrine is to support liberal democracies and help defend them from all kinds of attacks by Russia, like cyber, social media, or cybercrime, political assassinations and actual invasion. The fact that these guys are assholes helps in this task immensely as we saw after Bucha and other atrocities. The era of supporting strongmen who don't have any real domestic support is over, Modhi and Erdogan were elected, so was Orban.
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Yes, personal motivations count for a lot. That said, revenge for Putin's meddling in 2016 is not motivating the US to send tens of billions of dollars worth of US weapons and ammunition to Ukraine. Motivations behind the US's aid to Ukraine is more strategic than that.
 
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Fogdog said:
Yes, personal motivations count for a lot. That said, revenge for Putin's meddling in 2016 is not motivating the US to send tens of billions of dollars worth of US weapons and ammunition to Ukraine. Motivations behind the US's aid to Ukraine is more strategic than that.
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It was an evolved position, and the Ukrainians were getting low level western aid and training for a long time, even under Trump. When Russia invaded, not many were optimistic but as the Ukrainians showed they could not just defend themselves but actually beat the Russians the attitude changed. When I speak of motivation that is personal, but it is reflected in policy too, the attitude and policies of eastern Europe are different than those of western European governments for a reason. Feelings drive policy too, not just reason and those who lived under Russian domination are the most motivated of all and demonstrate this by their support of Ukraine. In this case the feelings are rational and follow the facts. Some jobs ya love and some jobs ya hate.
 
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Fogdog said:
Erdogan might just be playing the propaganda organ but it's the second war drone he's announced (the other was an aircraft-bomber). to what end? I don't see who else in his region he'd use that against other than Russia.
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cannabineer said:
The mountainous (well, more mountainous) areas in Turkey’s east contain all sorts of ethnic undesirables: Kurds, Armenians and others. His focus may not even extend to Russia.
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True, and not just for-them-ethnic-undesirables, actual terrorists too (in iraq and syria) I don’t think there’s much use for a kamikaze boat in the mountains :)

Imo it makes total sense for them to develop and create more water drones. Most of Turkey as well as its population borders seas that border their main 3 (as perceived by a large part of the population) enemies, Syria, Greece and Russia. One could argue it’s unlikely Greece attacks Turkey but convincing the Turks of that is a lot harder. That goes deep, far back. Not that I expect a direct war but this isn’t over yet:
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Aegean dispute - Wikipedia

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Erdogan‘s always playing the propaganda organ but I don’t think they need a motive other than strengthening Turkey‘s military power. The press release DIY seems pretty straightforward to me. If anything it will help as a deterrent against Russia, Greece and anyone else who may form a threat. Pretty sure it will require full blown world peace and complete disarmament of the planet before the current owners of Constantinople will not advance their military. I hope they gift a few to Ukraine again, maybe send a few to Taiwan as well.
 
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Having a healthy domestic drone and RC hobby market is a good idea for several reasons, recruitment of pilots for manned aircraft and drones among them, as well as for technically orientated and even trained people. Small drones have become important for close air support in their own right and high-tech UAV platforms are essential to modern warfare.

Anybody can download the DRL simulator and if you do well in the online competitions you will be invited to race for real, so real experience is essential, though the sims are pretty good. It is a merit-based system, everybody flies the same kind of standard drone, skill and sometimes luck are the deciding factors. There are other drone racing leagues that are open about equipment etc, but this is the biggest commercial one where skill alone is the criteria for qualifying and wining.


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