Synthetic vs Organic ..Why do ppl go the synthetic route?
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HydroKid239
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My opinion.. Synthetics give the grower more control.
yinyang814
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My reason... fewer bugs indoors and I like feeling like a scientist with all my gadgets and gizmos and salts and filters, etc.
ProPheT 216
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Just less stress and work for me. I'm dwc running Jack's. Litteraly no prep work and no recovery work to keep my soil. Just mix and dump, mix and dump, all year long. Most I have 2 deal with is getting my hydroton washed and cleaning roots out the net pot.
ProPheT 216
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No. Going from veg bloom to athena to jacks no noticeable change in yeild or flavor. Last line that I ran that I thought really gave me quality and was not just hype was nectar. But it's to dense for dwc so I had 2 switch. If I was in soil I would still use their stuff. Also nectar is one of the most expensive lines.
PopAndSonGrows
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"Cleanliness" (this mostly refers to ZERO insects, good or bad)
Easy to get. Low cost. Easiest approach in coco. And, quite frankly, the plants don't know the difference.
Easy to get. Low cost. Easiest approach in coco. And, quite frankly, the plants don't know the difference.
Billy the Mountain
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Studies on tomatoes have shown 20-30% faster growth grown hydrooponically vs. soil. No reason cannabis would be any different.
Salt-based nutes provide a consistent and controllable nutrient supply, unlike soil.
Salt-based nutes provide a consistent and controllable nutrient supply, unlike soil.
Tolerance Break
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Organics have a higher concentration of heavy metals. Cannabis is a bio accumulator for heavy metals. Also, pests and general mess.
I don't think most people grow organic, I think a vocal minority of organic growers are pretentious as fuck. Don't get me wrong, Heavy Dayze, Build a soil, and most of my favorite breeders grow organic, but there are alot of people who believe their end results are better SOLEY because it came from dirt, and not much else.
I don't think most people grow organic, I think a vocal minority of organic growers are pretentious as fuck. Don't get me wrong, Heavy Dayze, Build a soil, and most of my favorite breeders grow organic, but there are alot of people who believe their end results are better SOLEY because it came from dirt, and not much else.
Nambud76
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Has been said, but I will reiterate.
1. If you like recipes and don't mind a little more hands on, it is fulfilling and easy to follow--consistent. I use the same ratio of nutrients every grow, and only on a rare occasion have I had to amend the solution with a little CalMag, depending on the cultivar.
2. Clean. Clean. Clean. Someone said sterile as a hyperbole, but it is somewhat true. I personally value a VERY clean grow environment to reduce plant pathogens, pests (insects), and particulates (dust, human/pet hair, etc.). I go so far in this route to do something most growers do not--I run a positive pressure grow environment. Most growers run negative to alleviate smell, but they are also sucking in contaminants from the surrounding environment. This is common practice in pharmaceutical manufacturing and other contamination controlled manufacturing environments.
3. Removes much of the guess work. You don't need x-grams of worm castings or fish shit or whatever other organic product that doesn't have a consistent homogeneous concentration of the target molecules, and you don't have to wait for the plant or soil to metabolize or break it down.
4. I have a routine, and it is hard to change once you have a perpetual grow rolling. This is just me being honest, that I have considered trying other techniques, but after 15 years, you find it difficult to mess with something that works.
5. PERSONAL: I get allergies from outdoor grown buds very consistently, and I feel indoor hydro is just a cleaner and more pure smoking experience. Totally my opinion on this part.
1. If you like recipes and don't mind a little more hands on, it is fulfilling and easy to follow--consistent. I use the same ratio of nutrients every grow, and only on a rare occasion have I had to amend the solution with a little CalMag, depending on the cultivar.
2. Clean. Clean. Clean. Someone said sterile as a hyperbole, but it is somewhat true. I personally value a VERY clean grow environment to reduce plant pathogens, pests (insects), and particulates (dust, human/pet hair, etc.). I go so far in this route to do something most growers do not--I run a positive pressure grow environment. Most growers run negative to alleviate smell, but they are also sucking in contaminants from the surrounding environment. This is common practice in pharmaceutical manufacturing and other contamination controlled manufacturing environments.
3. Removes much of the guess work. You don't need x-grams of worm castings or fish shit or whatever other organic product that doesn't have a consistent homogeneous concentration of the target molecules, and you don't have to wait for the plant or soil to metabolize or break it down.
4. I have a routine, and it is hard to change once you have a perpetual grow rolling. This is just me being honest, that I have considered trying other techniques, but after 15 years, you find it difficult to mess with something that works.
5. PERSONAL: I get allergies from outdoor grown buds very consistently, and I feel indoor hydro is just a cleaner and more pure smoking experience. Totally my opinion on this part.
ProPheT 216
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Very true. For the uneducated tho that means faster more vigorous veg growth... not a shorter flower time
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Unga Bunga
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Same here . Outdoors is organic just have to fence things to keep critters from digging things up . Indoor it's much easier and cleaner using something like Jack's or GH .
rkymtnman
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it's like that joke about Vegans:
how do you know if somebody is Vegan?
don't worry, they'll let you know within the first 3 minutes of meeting them
calvin.m16
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Blood is a mixture of chemicals, the thing is, you want clean chemicals meaning not contaminated with harmful things like heavy metals, lead, iron, arsenic etc. The plant doesn't know if the chemical is organic or synthetic, clean chemical fertilizer will function the same on the plant as an organic fertilizer that breaks down or broke down to produce the same needed chemicals.. WIth synthetic we know exactly what we're giving plants where with organic you can have a lot of variation.
It's 2 different kinds of products and you shouldn't use organic food to compare organic weed, food they allow higher amounts of heavy metals etc where in legal states like mine you cannot have heavy metals in the weed cause they know your inhaling it.
I've personally grown in super soil and coco side by side and never noticed a difference in smoke quality or weight. Hydro/soilless typically yields more cause your providing a more direct guaranteed blend of micro and macro nutrients the weed needs. Some guys have their living soil blends dialed where they get excellent results. BUt it's not nearly as controlled.
It's 2 different kinds of products and you shouldn't use organic food to compare organic weed, food they allow higher amounts of heavy metals etc where in legal states like mine you cannot have heavy metals in the weed cause they know your inhaling it.
I've personally grown in super soil and coco side by side and never noticed a difference in smoke quality or weight. Hydro/soilless typically yields more cause your providing a more direct guaranteed blend of micro and macro nutrients the weed needs. Some guys have their living soil blends dialed where they get excellent results. BUt it's not nearly as controlled.
Bud man 43
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Great results
conor c
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With salts its easier to get it down right imo as your feeding the plant directly vs using micros and stuff to feed your plants to each to there own on this one but i prefer organics for taste id say organically grown in good soil/compost is hard to beat next best in my opinion is organic coco done right you can obviously grow nice weed with salts of course you can its personal choice and down to your skill like with anything i guess and i would say if your growing at scale organics is easier and cheaper for sure that aint just for weed either try running a plant nursery with both see what you choose in the end also i aint gonna guilt trip people who use chemical fertilisers vs organics as i aint smoking your weed do what you want we just differ in viewpoints this issue/debate is almost as controversial as flushing with growers ime it usually just turns to arguments
calvin.m16
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The problem I have is lots of false statements like soil being easier and better at scale, if that were true every commercial grow wouldn't be using soilless. Organics are not cheaper by any means and are more prone to individualized issue and pests due to abundance of living matter.
Why wouldn't you smoke chemical fertilizer grown weed? Plants take up nutrients from the soil or growing medium in the form of ions, regardless of whether those nutrients originated from chemical or organic sources. The plant's metabolism does not differentiate between the sources of nutrients.
Also, weed grown in soil and organic tends to have a much higher heavy metal content in the final product due to it being organic and not being able to be processed and refined, which can actually create a clear argument that organics are not safer or cleaner than synthetic fertilizer.
I don't want to argue with you, just I'm trying to hopefully clear any misunderstandings you may have with the two growing styles.
conor c
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Agree to disagree mate i aint gonna argue with you you present some points that may have merit however i strongly disagree with plenty you have said for a start your making broad assumptions on heavy metal contents would that not stand to reason that it depend on the soil used and your inputs obviously some things gonna test way higher than others yes cannabis is an accumulator i think everyone knows that its why we plant it around places like Chernobyl also look at food farming for example so many big farms run salts because it take work to get the soil back into good condition cos they used synthetic fertilisers for so long there soils wrecked no micros no life so they continue using it look at the state of texas i dont think years of big ag using salts helped that dustbowl situation any we aint gonna agree i guess man btw i didnt say i wont smoke synthetic weed if its grew well and someone passes me a joint of it il hit it but imo i know what i prefer i was meaning more people online on this forum unless i actually know you outside of here i aint smoking your weed am i so do what u will with it its your weed
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