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Greyskull

Greyskull

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LoudBlunts said:
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btw, Greyskull you are a cali head, no?


also...i've heard that bubba isnt a great yielder..... especially not for sog pruning

have you grown it out before? if so, how do you grow it in your perpetual?
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oops missed this one homey! ha ha
so cal is where i call home for now..

I have been growing the pre 98 bubba kush clone for about a year now. she's not really a big yeilder. UNLESS YOU MAKE HER YEILD FOR YOU. after the cuts are rooted, i put them in cups under the 400mh, about 18" from the light, 24/7. when they show the 5th node i chop that fucker right off, and veg them in the cups for another couple days. then i transfer them into the 8" pots and i let them veg in the big pots 10-14 days. when they are 14-18" tall, its time to flip them....

in a nutshell the veg program is about 2-3wks total veg, topping above the 4th node, and then supercropping the mains once or twice to both stall the mains & allow the lowers to catch up and create a fuller canopy, and also helps the tops support bigger buds.

I'll load 20 8" pots on the 4x4... early to mid week 2 I'll strip off the bottom 10-12" of sucker growth so the plants focus on producing buds where the light is... also helps with airflow under canopy.

late week 5/early week 6 i'll start removing fan leaves... starting at the bottom level. i usually give 2 passes over the course of a week to remove a lot fo the big fans blocking light from reaching bud sights. ITS UNORTHODOX MOST FOLKS BELIVE TAKING AWAY THE FANS IS STUPID WHATEVER MILLION WAYS TO DO THINGS THIS S HOW I DO IT HOW I WAS TAUGHT.

the plants really start swellig up late week 4 early week 5, and week 6 they look done. some folks liek to wait 70 days for bubba to be done, but i like her done at 56-58.... and between using coco as a medium + canna boost I think the growth/results I get in 56-58 days is similiar to someone going 60-63, exceopt mine is better ha ha ha.

basically growing this way, minus co2, i end up harvesting 600-700g (30-32 grams per plant) of bubba from each 4x4/1000w HPS. thats pretty descent weight, but nowhere near 1GPW. Maybe if I add co2... I have a full tank, a controller, all the gear. Just haven't hooked it up....


hope this helps some???
 
Greyskull

Greyskull

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with the perpetual, its all about timing.
being in a rhythm. you have to take your cuts at the right time or you jack yourself and all of a sudden you're 2 weeks behind schedule.

KNOWING HOW YOUR PLANTS GROW HELPS so then you knwo the timing.
 
Greyskull

Greyskull

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bro you need ot get some of this plant man.
once you dial her in shes $$$
one of a few cuts that I grow...
 
LoudBlunts

LoudBlunts

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i was gonna get her, but i dont have space for a multi-cola sog plant right now


when i get new tray inserts for my aeroponic i may do it

i used to have a cali hookup for elites genetics....i havent spoken to him in a while though.


i got some white russians in the aero

and some powerplants, superskunks, alpha diesel and hijack going right now in canna coco
 
Greyskull

Greyskull

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HIJACK fdd's project yeah?
hows that one going for you?
i almost got one of those a few years back but some shit happened (5lbs walked out the door) and i had to focus on some other things.
have you smoked it before?
 
LoudBlunts

LoudBlunts

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heres your pic, GreySkull




since my perpetual harvesting cab is not in operation right now, i fired back up my tent and put the aero in there....i also put corner plants in the tent, to fill it up as im out of weed and those are pull early plants.

i got lazy handwatering plants so i put together a quick drip for them.

the corner plants from left to right goes as follows: 4 power plants, 1 hijack, 1 alpha diesel, 2 super skunks, and 2 mini me white russians all in coco.

on the right are superskunks and power plants.

all the corner plants are younger than the aero system, but not by much.

aero plants (white russians) are forsure on day 31
 
LoudBlunts

LoudBlunts

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Greyskull said:
HIJACK fdd's project yeah?
hows that one going for you?
i almost got one of those a few years back but some shit happened (5lbs walked out the door) and i had to focus on some other things.
have you smoked it before?
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yea hijack...thas the one. its going good.

i've smoked it...nice fruity smoke...but this is first time really really growing it indoors.

got a friend who kinda knows how to grow... he cant grow inside (tries to grow with halogens work lights and he's hard headed wont listen to me) but when he grows outside.... i cant complain...he ended up getting 1 female outta the 2 seeds i gave him.
 
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doktorgreenthumb420

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cool guys i just got to readin your posts i will have some pics soon ....and


i use general hydroponic 3 part grow micro bloom

my water is hard tho like .8 EC sometimes ..think that is about 400 ppm or somethn

i use general hydroponic bricks of coco coir

and the thing with the nutes is weird cause i have a rainforest 66 in veg also that smokes my coco clones and seedlings starts that i am tryin to veg into nice plants ...cause i have noticed in my 2 years of practice that good veg makes for a good bloom ....

o and i have approx 35 gallon reservoir i have mixed nutes in rez to match nutes in rainforest ..but it is diff for some reason ..........

i have hydroton pellets that i use for my buckets but have been thinkin bout converting to pure hydroton instead of coco

i love coco tho i have seen it do good before and dont really want to have to deal with pellets if i can avoid it ...

o and i use a fish tank heater in veg reservoir set at 68 ...and the ppm meter reads about 1.4 EC or 700 ppm after i mix in my 1.1.1 ratio of veg , micro , bloom


ok let me get some pics of my veg setup

in the pic they are starting to yellow and i had to throw them into bloom ...this always happens and if i was to allow them to stay in veg they just dont get nice healthy fat green leaves they start to give me like the sypmtoms of lockout ...they start to yellow from bottom up till they loose all the lower fan leaves

if anyone has used GH nutes and coco maybe u can tell me your mix rate

i use like 3 tablespoons of each gro,micro,bloom and that is same mix i use for rainforest that goes crazy with growth

veg tray i usually flood once a day just like the bloom room .....pots are always really saturated ....am i overwatering i wonder?
 

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Return of the Spork

Return of the Spork

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- How often do you change your nutes?
- I have tap water around same level as yours. Do yourself a favor and get a r/o system. They aren't that expensive considering and your plants will love you.
 
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doktorgreenthumb420

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yea i have been thinkin bout an RO money is pretty tight now tho ...just moved whole op to new secure area my hydro guy has one for like 235 dollars .... how would this explain how the rainforest does so well tho with same water is what i wonder tho

this actually was happening right from the start of a new batch of nutes

otherwise i like to totally change out veg reservoir prlly like every 3 weeks

and rezervoir is spotless clean it is a new one ......

ph is like 6.0

i got some clones goin now guys so i will let you all know when they need transplanted and put in to the veg tray

and ill keep good track of everythin so we can figure this out

o and btw i seem to have no problems at all in bloom room it just sucks when i have to put little ass seedlings in to bloom cause they start to die when they reach about 7 inches tall and 3 weeks old and that is why i throw em in to bloom they always come out of it

i know this stresses the plants tho espescially those young seedlings

i would like to grow some healthier veg and seems like this is site to learn on
 
Return of the Spork

Return of the Spork

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Sorry I should have mentioned. The R/O thing wasn't in reference to your setup question, it was just a good thing to do. I have around same EC in my tap and with my extra nutes the plants hated me. Also lots of salts were precipitating out. When I changed to R/O everything was nicer.

As far as your setup goes. I admit I didn't read in depth and am not really trying too hard...but if your plants can't survive indefinitely in your veg setup, then there is definitely a big problem.

During those 3 weeks do you top up? With what? Curious to know what your ppm ends up being at the end of the 3 weeks as compared to the beginning.

I don't know if this is a general consensus, but for ebb/flow 2 weeks is my max before changing res, not sure about other systems. I am reverting back to every week now actually since I am noticing small deficiencies in this new strain at the back end of the 2 weeks.

Also, go grab some 5 gallon jugs and head to a grocery store with a water dispenser. Get water for your op, try growing using that water instead, and if you find some differences (could be a factor) then you know you will want to get a r/o filter.

Also I don't know the PH for coco, but for Hydroton I let it range from 5.4-6ish, 6 being the high end.


Also, in regards to your setup. Since this appears to be more of a SoG setup, tell me about the vegging? Those guys seem pretty damn packed in, doesn't it get crowded? With my guys packed in that tight, I start from a single clone and it maxes out its available growing area. How can you support a veg?
 
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doktorgreenthumb420

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u guys got some really good ideas i will be tryin the store water for a veg cycle and also yea you are right they are packed in pretty tight i usually dont do that

ppm after the veg plants are in is kinda hard to tell how much they eat ...lol seems to be not more than a 100 ppm tops

i will keep you all posted tho on how it is goin .....o yea and btw my rainforest does killer compared to the ebb and flo with coir ........same mixture in rainforest as my reservoir for veg flood tray
 
DeweyKox

DeweyKox

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I use tap water, everything seems to grow just fine. I believe my tap is @ 300PPM too. Not sure what a difference it would actually make. Would love a comparison if anyone has done the test?
 
GypsyBush

GypsyBush

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DeweyKox said:
I use tap water, everything seems to grow just fine. I believe my tap is @ 300PPM too. Not sure what a difference it would actually make. Would love a comparison if anyone has done the test?
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I believe the whole tap water issue is a matter of luck, if not geographic location...

I have well water... about 190 PPM of unknown goodies...pH @ 7.1

Different places have different water... the village of Napaskiak, in Alaska, filters their ground water for ARSENIC... I am sure it would be bad for your plants...

If you happen to have good water, then there is no need for RO... Look at Al's 450 fruit tomato plant...

But if you have anything in your water that is toxic, then you MUST use RO...

The thing is, almost no one knows what is in their water, and chances are that it will fall somewhere in the middle, not clean, not poison...

So, in my opinion, whether you need RO or not depends on the quality of the water you have to begin with...

Just like user Vette, saying he never pH's his res...

Misleading to newbs... but he just happened to live in a place where his nutes and water made the pH ok... move that op across the state and you may have a very different resulting pH....


ramble ramble... :eyesmoke:
 
LoudBlunts

LoudBlunts

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if you can drink your water..... so can your plants.


higher ppm starting tap water only means decreased feeding ratios. when your ppms are high starting...just start low with the nute ratio and work your way up making sure to keep track of starting tap water ppms and nute ppms
 
LoudBlunts

LoudBlunts

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btw doktorgreenthumb


you can follow the gh3 bottle direction....dilute as necessary

or use a modified formula of gh3

lucas or others.

i was low on gh3 all together, so i would run 6mL micro and 9mL bloom for like the first 21 days of flower then switch to just 9mL bloom (with other supplements such as flower boosters and the like)
 
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