Feminized Seeds Hermie Test - 14 strains, which are high risk; frequency; DM Reverse;
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polishfalcon420
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hey whats up hobbes? I have read this post a couple of times but I have a memory issue and was wondering how the greenhouse trainwreck went as I have a pack of them on the way along with k-train, Barneys bluecheese, lsd, querkle, and purple wreck, OG #18. have you seen any problems with these going hermi? I just finished a grow and had a NL regular bean from KC brains go hermi on me real bad. that plant itself filled a whole film cannister with beans and Im sure Ill find plenty more. the other plants that it pollinated on me werent bad though a few beans here and their. it had to be the plant that I couldnt get to for inspection of coarse so I didnt catch it till about 6 weeks in flower.
Hidden Agenda
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I just had a seedsman WW seed go male on me. Not even herm!
I took a bunch of clones off of this thing before putting it into flower. Not happy!!!
Now I have to start over!
I took a bunch of clones off of this thing before putting it into flower. Not happy!!!
Now I have to start over!
mv400
Active Member
Ouch
.... that sucks man...
greengenius
Member
I read through almost all of this thread. I couldn't seem to find if this scenario was covered:
I received 4 'female' clones from a grower who breaded a 'stable' pineapple x SSH which he calls Hawaiin punch. Of the 4 clones, I mothered 1 and flowered 3. I noticed in week three of flowering 1 of the plants had hairs and balls. Im currently growing 5 different strains and none of the others became hermie though they did undergo the same stress. I removed the plant and a week later noticed a Second Hawaiin Punch hermie... Though i was too late... The sacks had opened up and polinated all my other girls.
Questions
Was the hermie caused by stress since there is still 1HP clone flowering that is 100% female?
Are the seeds that the other strains are now producing likely to carry this hermie trait?
Are the seeds from the only female HP clone going to be considered 'feminized'?
I ask because the genetics of the hawaiin punch are supposed to be of some really amazing sativas. Im hoping this grow wasn't all a wash because of the hermie. I can stand looking at seedy bud so long as the seeds could be useful in the future. Im in no way a breeder, I only got stuck with seeds because Im obviously not that observant. So any help, even layman explanations would be useful and appreciated.
I received 4 'female' clones from a grower who breaded a 'stable' pineapple x SSH which he calls Hawaiin punch. Of the 4 clones, I mothered 1 and flowered 3. I noticed in week three of flowering 1 of the plants had hairs and balls. Im currently growing 5 different strains and none of the others became hermie though they did undergo the same stress. I removed the plant and a week later noticed a Second Hawaiin Punch hermie... Though i was too late... The sacks had opened up and polinated all my other girls.
Questions
Was the hermie caused by stress since there is still 1HP clone flowering that is 100% female?
Are the seeds that the other strains are now producing likely to carry this hermie trait?
Are the seeds from the only female HP clone going to be considered 'feminized'?
I ask because the genetics of the hawaiin punch are supposed to be of some really amazing sativas. Im hoping this grow wasn't all a wash because of the hermie. I can stand looking at seedy bud so long as the seeds could be useful in the future. Im in no way a breeder, I only got stuck with seeds because Im obviously not that observant. So any help, even layman explanations would be useful and appreciated.
Hobbes
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Thanks donkeyote, beautiful plant. My Seedsman WW is just 2 nodes over the top (~1 1/2") and I won't put it into flower until it's 22". I've got it under a weak florescent to slow the grow, my flower garden is starting to overflow from 3 Subcool and 1 Rez strain that I'm running for the first time with my keeper strains. I would really like to be able to keep a mother from this WW.
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Thanks donkeyote, beautiful plant. My Seedsman WW is just 2 nodes over the top (~1 1/2") and I won't put it into flower until it's 22". I've got it under a weak florescent to slow the grow, my flower garden is starting to overflow from 3 Subcool and 1 Rez strain that I'm running for the first time with my keeper strains. I would really like to be able to keep a mother from this WW.
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Hobbes
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"Was the hermie caused by stress since there is still 1HP clone flowering that is 100% female?"
Impossible to be sure but from the way things are playing out the sexually 'stable' clones are probably less stable than the other strains you are growing - from established breeders? I have similar problems - I run Serious Kail Mist and Bubblegum fine but Barney's Red Diesel and 3 of Dutch Passion feminized strains hermied. I wonder if someone else grew those feminized beans if they would not hermie - if there is a threshold level of stress that causes hermieing, or if the seed is going to hermie regardless of the grower. It's possible that the strain is sexually stable for your friend's grow set up but not yours.
Have you harvested yet? If you haven't it's very possible the 3rd plant could hermie.
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"Are the seeds that the other strains are now producing likely to carry this hermie trait?"
That's one for a breeder. There's a member called HHF who is a commercial breeder and very helpfull - if you do an advanced search for HHF's posts and post the question and this URL for him I'm sure he will give you an answer that's not pulled out of his ass. As mine would be. I'm not sure how familiar you are with our forum, your post count is still low, to do an advanced search click on the Search button at the top of the page, click Advanced Search, then use the User Name field to find HHF's latest posts.
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"Are the seeds from the only female HP clone going to be considered 'feminized'?"
If pollenated by itself or one of the other clones from the same mother then it should produce 100% female or hermie seeds. S1s are seeds from a plant pollenated with it's own pollen, since a two clones from the same mother are genetically identical, one clone pollenating another will produce S1s.
But you probably aren't going to want to flower plants from those seeds - unless the bud is phenominal or you want to experiment. Even the best S1s are slightly less sexually stable than the parent.
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"Im in no way a breeder, I only got stuck with seeds because Im obviously not that observant."
I think we'd be hard pressed to find anyone who's been growing for awhile who hasn't had some beans, don't smack your head against the wall for that.
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"Was the hermie caused by stress since there is still 1HP clone flowering that is 100% female?"
Impossible to be sure but from the way things are playing out the sexually 'stable' clones are probably less stable than the other strains you are growing - from established breeders? I have similar problems - I run Serious Kail Mist and Bubblegum fine but Barney's Red Diesel and 3 of Dutch Passion feminized strains hermied. I wonder if someone else grew those feminized beans if they would not hermie - if there is a threshold level of stress that causes hermieing, or if the seed is going to hermie regardless of the grower. It's possible that the strain is sexually stable for your friend's grow set up but not yours.
Have you harvested yet? If you haven't it's very possible the 3rd plant could hermie.
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"Are the seeds that the other strains are now producing likely to carry this hermie trait?"
That's one for a breeder. There's a member called HHF who is a commercial breeder and very helpfull - if you do an advanced search for HHF's posts and post the question and this URL for him I'm sure he will give you an answer that's not pulled out of his ass. As mine would be. I'm not sure how familiar you are with our forum, your post count is still low, to do an advanced search click on the Search button at the top of the page, click Advanced Search, then use the User Name field to find HHF's latest posts.
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"Are the seeds from the only female HP clone going to be considered 'feminized'?"
If pollenated by itself or one of the other clones from the same mother then it should produce 100% female or hermie seeds. S1s are seeds from a plant pollenated with it's own pollen, since a two clones from the same mother are genetically identical, one clone pollenating another will produce S1s.
But you probably aren't going to want to flower plants from those seeds - unless the bud is phenominal or you want to experiment. Even the best S1s are slightly less sexually stable than the parent.
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"Im in no way a breeder, I only got stuck with seeds because Im obviously not that observant."
I think we'd be hard pressed to find anyone who's been growing for awhile who hasn't had some beans, don't smack your head against the wall for that.
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greengenius
Member
Thank you so much for the quick response as this provided much insite. I've been visiting these forums for the past couple years and have had a lot of my questions answered through the search function. I'll look in to HHF's wisdom in addition to this thread.
I've always been interested in breeding as I've seen some crosses that I wish I could tweak a little. I understand a lot of it is left to chance... however by chance, I happened to pollinate a lot of established indica's with a fantastic Super Silver Haze cross. Im hoping for that hallucinogenic, euphoric head high in a fast flowering plant.... but without the balls. You're saying this is hard to accomplish in the first run?
Once again thank you for the insite.
I've always been interested in breeding as I've seen some crosses that I wish I could tweak a little. I understand a lot of it is left to chance... however by chance, I happened to pollinate a lot of established indica's with a fantastic Super Silver Haze cross. Im hoping for that hallucinogenic, euphoric head high in a fast flowering plant.... but without the balls. You're saying this is hard to accomplish in the first run?
Once again thank you for the insite.
Hobbes
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"Im hoping for that hallucinogenic, euphoric head high in a fast flowering plant.... but without the balls. You're saying this is hard to accomplish in the first run?"
I'm not sure I understand - the first run being the first cross strain F1 or the S1?
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"I've always been interested in breeding as I've seen some crosses that I wish I could tweak a little."
Dank by Subcool is suppose to be a great book on breeding, I'm not ready for breeding yet but I'm going to pick the book up for a good read.
If memory serves, and it often doesn't, HHF and Subcool are connected through Cannaseur ... HHF sent free seeds to a forum member who's Subcool seed order and money didn't reach Cannaseur. I think.
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Dank: The Quest for the Very Best Marijuana
Dank - $34.95 US / $46.95 INT / $42.95 CDN shipping incl.
A Breeders tale, By Subcool
-37 varieties lovingly described by the breeder
-Vibrant color photos of buds at peak of ripeness
-Photo essays showing growth from seed to bud
-Progenitors of all varieties described in detail.
Based on the authors 20 years of passionate selection and experience, Dank: The Quest for the Very Best Marijuana is the story of one breeder's quest for pot perfection. Author Subcool, both a talented photographer and a well known breeding whiz, describes each step of his journey toward ganja heaven; raising each strain, mixing and matching traits, and ultimately choosing the offspring that will advance to become the newest pinnicle in pot-the newest Dank.
Revealing his thought process as he assesses the traits that will go forward. Subcool provides an intimate portrait of each variety's personality. Beautifully lit photos and full-color spreads accompany these complete descriptions of over 35 varieties, with detailed profiles of each strain's aroma, taste, and high, as well as how it grows, and what it looks like. Useful appendices feature full genetic tress of each strain discussed.
http://dankgearonline.com/store/product5.html
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"Im hoping for that hallucinogenic, euphoric head high in a fast flowering plant.... but without the balls. You're saying this is hard to accomplish in the first run?"
I'm not sure I understand - the first run being the first cross strain F1 or the S1?
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"I've always been interested in breeding as I've seen some crosses that I wish I could tweak a little."
Dank by Subcool is suppose to be a great book on breeding, I'm not ready for breeding yet but I'm going to pick the book up for a good read.
If memory serves, and it often doesn't, HHF and Subcool are connected through Cannaseur ... HHF sent free seeds to a forum member who's Subcool seed order and money didn't reach Cannaseur. I think.
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Dank: The Quest for the Very Best Marijuana
Dank - $34.95 US / $46.95 INT / $42.95 CDN shipping incl.
A Breeders tale, By Subcool
-37 varieties lovingly described by the breeder
-Vibrant color photos of buds at peak of ripeness
-Photo essays showing growth from seed to bud
-Progenitors of all varieties described in detail.
Based on the authors 20 years of passionate selection and experience, Dank: The Quest for the Very Best Marijuana is the story of one breeder's quest for pot perfection. Author Subcool, both a talented photographer and a well known breeding whiz, describes each step of his journey toward ganja heaven; raising each strain, mixing and matching traits, and ultimately choosing the offspring that will advance to become the newest pinnicle in pot-the newest Dank.
Revealing his thought process as he assesses the traits that will go forward. Subcool provides an intimate portrait of each variety's personality. Beautifully lit photos and full-color spreads accompany these complete descriptions of over 35 varieties, with detailed profiles of each strain's aroma, taste, and high, as well as how it grows, and what it looks like. Useful appendices feature full genetic tress of each strain discussed.
http://dankgearonline.com/store/product5.html
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greengenius
Member
The nearby pollinated indicas... so the F1 I believe. My question is aimed at finding stable desireable traits on the first cross. Is this unrealistic?
Hobbes
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gg I'm not absolutely sure about this, you really need a breeder, but hermie traits usually follow to the seed. Breeders might flower out a hundred seeds and look for the offspring that doesn't hermie and use a clone from that plant in their second cross for more sexually stable strain.
You should germinate some of those seeds anyway, get some Dutch Passion Reverse and Penatrator, if they hermie too bad chop them.
A safer option for you would be to:
- germ as many seeds as you can handle 6" pots in a free part of your garden, 20 oz cups for the mother in veg. You can use 20 oz cups for 8" clones in flower but the yield will be smaller and watering is a lot more work. I've had a Northern Lights mother in a cup for over 2 years and it's 12" tall with about 4 nodes to the inch. Looks kind of gross.
- top to take a clone from each seed plant.
- label everything so you can later match clone to mother.
- keep the topped plant from seed as a potential mother
- flower a large number of short clones to see which are going to be sexually stable and which will hermie
- chop the hermies and their mothers immediately when the clones show bananas.
- flower out and harvest the clones that don't hermie, hang/bag/cure and keep the mother for the best bud / best yielder / fastest finisher - or whatever traits are important to you.
- take a clone from your keeper mothers, to be the next mother, and put the keeper mothers from seed into flower in 5 gallon buckets for your main bud for the strain.
You get to test each bean for sexual stability, you'll hopefully get some plants that finish to get some bud, it won't take up much room in your garden.
That's the best answer I can come up with right now. Again, you need HHF or another breeder to get good advice.
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gg I'm not absolutely sure about this, you really need a breeder, but hermie traits usually follow to the seed. Breeders might flower out a hundred seeds and look for the offspring that doesn't hermie and use a clone from that plant in their second cross for more sexually stable strain.
You should germinate some of those seeds anyway, get some Dutch Passion Reverse and Penatrator, if they hermie too bad chop them.
A safer option for you would be to:
- germ as many seeds as you can handle 6" pots in a free part of your garden, 20 oz cups for the mother in veg. You can use 20 oz cups for 8" clones in flower but the yield will be smaller and watering is a lot more work. I've had a Northern Lights mother in a cup for over 2 years and it's 12" tall with about 4 nodes to the inch. Looks kind of gross.
- top to take a clone from each seed plant.
- label everything so you can later match clone to mother.
- keep the topped plant from seed as a potential mother
- flower a large number of short clones to see which are going to be sexually stable and which will hermie
- chop the hermies and their mothers immediately when the clones show bananas.
- flower out and harvest the clones that don't hermie, hang/bag/cure and keep the mother for the best bud / best yielder / fastest finisher - or whatever traits are important to you.
- take a clone from your keeper mothers, to be the next mother, and put the keeper mothers from seed into flower in 5 gallon buckets for your main bud for the strain.
You get to test each bean for sexual stability, you'll hopefully get some plants that finish to get some bud, it won't take up much room in your garden.
That's the best answer I can come up with right now. Again, you need HHF or another breeder to get good advice.
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Hobbes
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I harvested another Flo clone today, 15%-20% amber. A banana here and there but nothing I haven't seen on even Serious Bubblegum.
The strain was so great to vaporize last time - musky grape taste, really does have a happy motivational high - that I had to try it again. I went really light on the nutes and it grew like a gem. I have a hypothesis that clones will get more sexually stable both the older they get and the more generations removed from the mother. Maybe the latter is a function of former.
I harvested on flower day 55, 8 week strain. One of the few I've gotten to finish on time, the mother from seed finished on time too. This pic was from last night, the HPS light washes out the color. It turns purple under the leaves first, the tops stay green. Then the purple spreads to the little leaves, then buds, and through that the tops of the leaves. Beautiful little plant but not a good producer.
I'm going to go through a few more generations of this clone, I may pick up DJ's version too.
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This is from 2 weeks ago (left), you can see some of the purple under the leaves starting back then. To the right is a Serious Bubblegum that I harvested last weekend.
This Flo has redeemed feminized (and Dutch Passion) seeds for me. I have a better idea what to expect from them and what they can be used for. I know enough now to know that buying 1 feminized seed for a strain will probably not give us the pheno and plant that we are looking for - we will probably need to germinate a batch of seeds and pick the best as a mother, the same as regular seeds.
I germinated Blueberry, Super Silver Haze, Cheese, Strawberry Cough (4), Train Wreck, Jack Flash and Blue Moonshine on Monday - all but Blue Moonshine popped the soil under 36 hours, I'm still waiting on the Blue Moonshine. A couple more months and I'll have some more info to post.
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I harvested another Flo clone today, 15%-20% amber. A banana here and there but nothing I haven't seen on even Serious Bubblegum.
The strain was so great to vaporize last time - musky grape taste, really does have a happy motivational high - that I had to try it again. I went really light on the nutes and it grew like a gem. I have a hypothesis that clones will get more sexually stable both the older they get and the more generations removed from the mother. Maybe the latter is a function of former.
I harvested on flower day 55, 8 week strain. One of the few I've gotten to finish on time, the mother from seed finished on time too. This pic was from last night, the HPS light washes out the color. It turns purple under the leaves first, the tops stay green. Then the purple spreads to the little leaves, then buds, and through that the tops of the leaves. Beautiful little plant but not a good producer.
I'm going to go through a few more generations of this clone, I may pick up DJ's version too.
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This is from 2 weeks ago (left), you can see some of the purple under the leaves starting back then. To the right is a Serious Bubblegum that I harvested last weekend.
This Flo has redeemed feminized (and Dutch Passion) seeds for me. I have a better idea what to expect from them and what they can be used for. I know enough now to know that buying 1 feminized seed for a strain will probably not give us the pheno and plant that we are looking for - we will probably need to germinate a batch of seeds and pick the best as a mother, the same as regular seeds.
I germinated Blueberry, Super Silver Haze, Cheese, Strawberry Cough (4), Train Wreck, Jack Flash and Blue Moonshine on Monday - all but Blue Moonshine popped the soil under 36 hours, I'm still waiting on the Blue Moonshine. A couple more months and I'll have some more info to post.
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Mindmelted
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fem. snow white from nirvana no hermies
fem. white berry from paradise no hermies
fem. apple jack from seedism no hermies
fem. super silver haze from greenhouse no hermies
fem. train wreck from greenhouse no hermies
5 grows all fem seeds and no hermies....lol
Thanks for the info hobbes
fem. white berry from paradise no hermies
fem. apple jack from seedism no hermies
fem. super silver haze from greenhouse no hermies
fem. train wreck from greenhouse no hermies
5 grows all fem seeds and no hermies....lol
Thanks for the info hobbes
SnowWhite
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yo hobbes...good to see your still doing your thing man. Looking good.
I told you a while back I was doing a fem seed grow with GHS Trainwreck and Super Silve Haze and Buddha's Blue Cheese. 9 seeds, 3 of each. No hermies at all. Totally solid females all round. Very pleased!
I told you a while back I was doing a fem seed grow with GHS Trainwreck and Super Silve Haze and Buddha's Blue Cheese. 9 seeds, 3 of each. No hermies at all. Totally solid females all round. Very pleased!
I can speak up for PEAKSEEDSBC they are simply some of the best genetics out thier I have personaly grown skunkberry an northern lights an they are very heavy very potent smoke. I have TTXSK AN TTXBB AN BB AN SKB AN NB IN MY stash of peak seeds. I have a BIG BANG GREEN HOUSE FEM four weeks into flowering I have been picking off DINGLEBALLS for two days now got them all in premature stage I will just check it every night. I got one seed to srpout out of ten I got them from THE HEMP DEPOT I have had good sucsess with other Hemp depot products but these BIG bang fem seeds sucked. PEACE
strain stalker
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Soma Seeds, "New York City Diesel Fem."....came from World Wide Seeds. Hermie(Chop! Chop!)
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DankyKush1
Active Member
My plant was exposed to a male pollen sack opening while flowering. Do you think this is a hermie now? or useless?
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