Feminized Seeds Hermie Test - 14 strains, which are high risk; frequency; DM Reverse;
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Hobbes
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Sunday, March 14
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I've got 6 new strains from feminized seed in flower, one each of: Dutch Passion Blueberry; Big Bhudda Cheese; Greenhouse Super Silver Haze; Greenhouse Trainwreck; Seedsman White Widow; and 4 Dutch Passion Strawberry Cough. 9 plants, 6 strains. As well I have my 3 year old Flo genetics at 8 weeks flower.
The Dutch Passion Flo is putting out a few late flower bananas, a couple here and there, nothing to be concerned about. There's always a rash of small flat banana bunches at 3-5 weeks but I might end up with a half dozen seeds for the plant. Just stay on top of the plant with a set of tweezers and a white flashlight after lights out - the white makes the bananas stand out.
The Blueberry was a nightmare today, I checked it with the lights off with a flash light and there were over a hundred bananas and bunches. I spent a half hour picking the plant clean, I expect the smaller ones to grow big enough to pick tomorrow or the next day. The last Blueberry from Dutch Passion did the same thing. I'll stick with the tweezers for this plant, stay away from Reverse, but unless the plant stops putting out bananas I'm going to chop the clone and start from seed with PeakSeedBc regular Blueberry that I have waiting to germ.
I'm also going to order a pack of DJ Short's Flo and pick a mother from the regular seeds. I love the effects and taste of this Flo I have now but the production is horrible and I don't like that it puts out bananas when the rest of the garden is clean.
Infact, I have 13 strains (15 plants) in flower now and only the 2 Dutch Passion strains have produced even one banana.
Kramerize! for a level canopy.
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Strawberry Cough (F) (4) - Dutch Passion (had bananas last time from seed, great to reduce anxiety)
Super Silver Haze (F) - Greenhouse (first run)
The small holed (1/2") Air Pruning bucket on the left (single layer of screen) is working phenominally well. Multiple roots per hole, sometimes a half dozen. The root tips dried up and died and I'm expecting sugar to build up in the roots inside the bucket and branching off each root. I'll put a cover bucket on, water, then let the whole process start over again.
The 1 1/2" holed bucket with 5 layers of screen only put out the thickest roots, I'm hoping there's some root trapping. I'm going to pop the root ball and peal off the screen when it dries and shrinks, see how the root trapping is going. I'm going to switch the screen in this bucket for the landscaping fabric I'm using in the other buckets.
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Flo (F) - Dutch Passion - Bananas (bringing in DJ Short seeds)
Northern Lights (R) - PeakSeedsBC (last run)
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Kali Mist (R) - Serious Seeds (keeper)
Blueberry (F) - Dutch Passion - Bananas (last run)
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Jack Flash (F) - Sensi (first run)
Trainwreck (F) - Greenhouse (first run)
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Skunkberry (R) - PeakSeedsBC (keeper)
White Widow (F) - Seedsman (first run)
White Widow
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Bubblegum (R) - Serious Seeds (keeper)
Super Strawberry Diesel (F) - Elite (last run)
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Cheese (F) - Big Bhuda (first run)
Strawberry Cough (F) - Dutch Passion (3 more, 4 total. 2nd run)
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Sunday, March 14
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I've got 6 new strains from feminized seed in flower, one each of: Dutch Passion Blueberry; Big Bhudda Cheese; Greenhouse Super Silver Haze; Greenhouse Trainwreck; Seedsman White Widow; and 4 Dutch Passion Strawberry Cough. 9 plants, 6 strains. As well I have my 3 year old Flo genetics at 8 weeks flower.
The Dutch Passion Flo is putting out a few late flower bananas, a couple here and there, nothing to be concerned about. There's always a rash of small flat banana bunches at 3-5 weeks but I might end up with a half dozen seeds for the plant. Just stay on top of the plant with a set of tweezers and a white flashlight after lights out - the white makes the bananas stand out.
The Blueberry was a nightmare today, I checked it with the lights off with a flash light and there were over a hundred bananas and bunches. I spent a half hour picking the plant clean, I expect the smaller ones to grow big enough to pick tomorrow or the next day. The last Blueberry from Dutch Passion did the same thing. I'll stick with the tweezers for this plant, stay away from Reverse, but unless the plant stops putting out bananas I'm going to chop the clone and start from seed with PeakSeedBc regular Blueberry that I have waiting to germ.
I'm also going to order a pack of DJ Short's Flo and pick a mother from the regular seeds. I love the effects and taste of this Flo I have now but the production is horrible and I don't like that it puts out bananas when the rest of the garden is clean.
Infact, I have 13 strains (15 plants) in flower now and only the 2 Dutch Passion strains have produced even one banana.
Kramerize! for a level canopy.
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Strawberry Cough (F) (4) - Dutch Passion (had bananas last time from seed, great to reduce anxiety)
Super Silver Haze (F) - Greenhouse (first run)
The small holed (1/2") Air Pruning bucket on the left (single layer of screen) is working phenominally well. Multiple roots per hole, sometimes a half dozen. The root tips dried up and died and I'm expecting sugar to build up in the roots inside the bucket and branching off each root. I'll put a cover bucket on, water, then let the whole process start over again.
The 1 1/2" holed bucket with 5 layers of screen only put out the thickest roots, I'm hoping there's some root trapping. I'm going to pop the root ball and peal off the screen when it dries and shrinks, see how the root trapping is going. I'm going to switch the screen in this bucket for the landscaping fabric I'm using in the other buckets.
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Flo (F) - Dutch Passion - Bananas (bringing in DJ Short seeds)
Northern Lights (R) - PeakSeedsBC (last run)
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Kali Mist (R) - Serious Seeds (keeper)
Blueberry (F) - Dutch Passion - Bananas (last run)
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Jack Flash (F) - Sensi (first run)
Trainwreck (F) - Greenhouse (first run)
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Skunkberry (R) - PeakSeedsBC (keeper)
White Widow (F) - Seedsman (first run)
White Widow
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Bubblegum (R) - Serious Seeds (keeper)
Super Strawberry Diesel (F) - Elite (last run)
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Cheese (F) - Big Bhuda (first run)
Strawberry Cough (F) - Dutch Passion (3 more, 4 total. 2nd run)
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Hobbes
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Update
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The bananas have all but dried up on the Dutch Passion Blueberry, I've watered/fed it since I cleaned out the last outbreak, very few returned. I'm just picking them with tweezers, no Reverse.
I took the first harvest from the top of the Flo (Dutch Passion, I'm getting DJ Short's) (Flo is a multi harvesting strain) and it's putting out the odd banana, nothing to be concerned about.
The rest of the females are perfect.
Seedsman's White Widow is a beautiful plant, solid chunks of bud. Very fast finisher, it's about 7-8 weeks now and half cloudy trichs.
Jack Flash - Sensi's feminized cross of Jack Herer, reduced to two pheno types from Herer's 4 - is going to be huge. It's only about 5 weeks in but the colas look like they're going to be enormous.
I've read that Trainwreck (Greenhouse) can have hermie tendencies but at about 5 weeks mine is fine.
The other feminized are less developed so I wouldn't expect any bananas yet - 4 Strawberry Cough (Dutch Passion), 1 Cheese (Big Bhudda), 1 Super Silver Haze (Greenhouse) - all fine, no sign of bananas.
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Update
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The bananas have all but dried up on the Dutch Passion Blueberry, I've watered/fed it since I cleaned out the last outbreak, very few returned. I'm just picking them with tweezers, no Reverse.
I took the first harvest from the top of the Flo (Dutch Passion, I'm getting DJ Short's) (Flo is a multi harvesting strain) and it's putting out the odd banana, nothing to be concerned about.
The rest of the females are perfect.
Seedsman's White Widow is a beautiful plant, solid chunks of bud. Very fast finisher, it's about 7-8 weeks now and half cloudy trichs.
Jack Flash - Sensi's feminized cross of Jack Herer, reduced to two pheno types from Herer's 4 - is going to be huge. It's only about 5 weeks in but the colas look like they're going to be enormous.
I've read that Trainwreck (Greenhouse) can have hermie tendencies but at about 5 weeks mine is fine.
The other feminized are less developed so I wouldn't expect any bananas yet - 4 Strawberry Cough (Dutch Passion), 1 Cheese (Big Bhudda), 1 Super Silver Haze (Greenhouse) - all fine, no sign of bananas.
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Cheech Wizard
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Nice Hobbes!
Hobbes
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The Dutch Passion Blueberry's bananas came back with a vengeance, I'm tweezers picking 2-4 dozen every day.
Flo (Dutch Passion) continues to put out bananas even though I've harvested twice and am down to the base of the plant.
Those are the only strains hermieing, the genetics come from seeds I bought several years ago. Dutch Passion has an excellent reputation and has no doubt corrected problems in their feminized breeding process since my purchase - Blueberry and Flo are known for sometimes hermieing.
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Other Feminized strains - no hermieing so far
Cheese - Big Bhuda: Just a week in flower.
Jack Flash - Sensi (Herer cross): excellent production (6 weeks)
Trainwreck - Greenhouse: excellent production(6 weeks)
Super Silver Haze - Greenhouse: Just a few weeks in flower
White Widow - Seedsman: fantastic, been sampling, tastes great (8 weeks, 1 or 2 left)
Strawberry Cough - Dutch Passion: 4 plants 1 - 3 weeks in flower.
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Regular control strains (none have ever hermied)
Kali Mist - Serious: amazing (have had the genetic chain for 3 years)
Bubblegum - Serious: amazing
Super Strawberry Diesel - Elite: nothing special, last run. large yield.
Skunkberry - PeakSeedsBC: Chunky, uplifting yet relaxing stone.
I'm germing The Dope, an unreleased strain by Dr Greenthumb that a few other forum members are growing and posting journals, PeakSeedsBC Blueberry (get one that doesn't hermie), then I've got another 3 of Subcools strains to run. All regular.
I'm thinking of going feminized with Serious AK47 and White Russian to see how they do with their feminized seeds.
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The Dutch Passion Blueberry's bananas came back with a vengeance, I'm tweezers picking 2-4 dozen every day.
Flo (Dutch Passion) continues to put out bananas even though I've harvested twice and am down to the base of the plant.
Those are the only strains hermieing, the genetics come from seeds I bought several years ago. Dutch Passion has an excellent reputation and has no doubt corrected problems in their feminized breeding process since my purchase - Blueberry and Flo are known for sometimes hermieing.
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Other Feminized strains - no hermieing so far
Cheese - Big Bhuda: Just a week in flower.
Jack Flash - Sensi (Herer cross): excellent production (6 weeks)
Trainwreck - Greenhouse: excellent production(6 weeks)
Super Silver Haze - Greenhouse: Just a few weeks in flower
White Widow - Seedsman: fantastic, been sampling, tastes great (8 weeks, 1 or 2 left)
Strawberry Cough - Dutch Passion: 4 plants 1 - 3 weeks in flower.
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Regular control strains (none have ever hermied)
Kali Mist - Serious: amazing (have had the genetic chain for 3 years)
Bubblegum - Serious: amazing
Super Strawberry Diesel - Elite: nothing special, last run. large yield.
Skunkberry - PeakSeedsBC: Chunky, uplifting yet relaxing stone.
I'm germing The Dope, an unreleased strain by Dr Greenthumb that a few other forum members are growing and posting journals, PeakSeedsBC Blueberry (get one that doesn't hermie), then I've got another 3 of Subcools strains to run. All regular.
I'm thinking of going feminized with Serious AK47 and White Russian to see how they do with their feminized seeds.
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ultimate buds
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According to Dutch Passion's research a feminized offspring has a 70% chance of closely resembling the mother, less the sexual stability cascade. Some things I'd think about are - Was the mother that good that you want to see how the offspring turns out? Are you just curious? Nothing like trying a plant to see for yourself. If the mother was good and you have no clone if the dirt is still in the bucket you may be able to get a root clone which will be an exact duplicate, much better than seed.
just a quick question whats a root clone ?
how do you do this ?
also iv just had a hermie top skunk 44 so i threw it outside an il just see what happens (uk)
iv also germd 5 strawberry haze x thai (both greenhouse) but i know nothing about hight on either of these
and germd 10 bag seed just cos i had them
im also waiting on some replacement cheese seeds from greenhouse after non germinated from a fem 5 pack
just a quick question whats a root clone ?
how do you do this ?
also iv just had a hermie top skunk 44 so i threw it outside an il just see what happens (uk)
iv also germd 5 strawberry haze x thai (both greenhouse) but i know nothing about hight on either of these
and germd 10 bag seed just cos i had them
im also waiting on some replacement cheese seeds from greenhouse after non germinated from a fem 5 pack
ultimate buds
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iv just spotted this and thought you may find it interesting
In a single pack of feminized seeds a grower can produce:
Females.
Hermaphrodites.
Males.
Yeah, that’s right. Males! So where are these males coming from and how are they making there way into the feminized seed process. The answer is a very simple one. Sex is not completely determined in the cannabis plant until a few weeks before flowering. We will talk about this in a moment but now back to the feminized seeds.
In optimal growing conditions feminized seeds will kick out 100% females. This says a lot for growing conditions and the actual role they play on cannabis gender development. How many times have growers seen these effects of multiple genders from Feminized seeds? The answer lies clearly in how well they grow. Growers who are growing in non-stressful conditions will never see the male effect from feminized seeds and so hence it does not exist for them. However over periods time and different growing techniques the grower will eventually see these results when growing in less than optional environments. MALES!
For this reason growers who choose feminized seeds should be forewarned to get their growing environments down to a T. If you prevent stress then you prevent males and hermaphrodites appearing in a feminized seed population. It is as SIMPLY AS THAT.
In a single pack of feminized seeds a grower can produce:
Females.
Hermaphrodites.
Males.
Yeah, that’s right. Males! So where are these males coming from and how are they making there way into the feminized seed process. The answer is a very simple one. Sex is not completely determined in the cannabis plant until a few weeks before flowering. We will talk about this in a moment but now back to the feminized seeds.
In optimal growing conditions feminized seeds will kick out 100% females. This says a lot for growing conditions and the actual role they play on cannabis gender development. How many times have growers seen these effects of multiple genders from Feminized seeds? The answer lies clearly in how well they grow. Growers who are growing in non-stressful conditions will never see the male effect from feminized seeds and so hence it does not exist for them. However over periods time and different growing techniques the grower will eventually see these results when growing in less than optional environments. MALES!
For this reason growers who choose feminized seeds should be forewarned to get their growing environments down to a T. If you prevent stress then you prevent males and hermaphrodites appearing in a feminized seed population. It is as SIMPLY AS THAT.
MrSoloDolo
Active Member
+ REP Hobbes- VERY helpful Info!!!
I brought Sensi super skunk back from Amsterdam years ago, they all turned Hermie grown outside. I suspect the Hot northeast summer. The next year I got a 2 Lb. plant from those hermies! These seeds we buy are grown in or around Holland, usually, they aren't accustomed to your/our climate and Any stress will cause hermie's, even regular seeds like I had. If you add in an unfavorable method of propagating Female seeds from the breeder, you're likely to get a few hermies, or if you stress them with improper heat, light, nutes, etc.. If you can make them grow and make a few seeds, the next season will Blow you Away with Hybrid vigor from Regular seeds. I'm not a fan of Female seeds, but it makes life easier if you don't want seeds, or the bother of making them. I do want seeds from my crop. Just a few will do...... and then I don't have to re-order the following 4-5 years.
To each his own. Good Luck!
I think the best way to grow "New" seeds is indoors under ideal conditions. Not an option for everyone.......I do like the freebie fem.'s and Auto flower seeds, I cannot lie.
To each his own. Good Luck!
I think the best way to grow "New" seeds is indoors under ideal conditions. Not an option for everyone.......I do like the freebie fem.'s and Auto flower seeds, I cannot lie.
sonar
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You came to the right place man. Most of the people here are friendly and eager to help. I don't even want to think of how my garden would look without the help.
EvenHatersShowUsLove
Member
awesome thread.... im on page 25 , but will have to finish it tomorrow ...
quick question though ... I think I bought reverse for the wrong reason .... (and maybe I just need to save it for the future ? )
I thought it would keep a male from flowering and pollinating the fems.... but after reading this thread...Im under the impression it is really for controlling hermies (not converting males to females )
I used non fem seeds.... and am 4 days into flower ...so I expect to see something within a week or so.... I was gonna spray the plants and hope they would all end up being female...but now im thinking i was way off....
please advise me ...Im somewhat overcrowded right now anyways ...so pulling the males (assuming it would be 50% of them) I could live with .... should I just save my reverse for a potential hermie in the future ? (oppesed to trying to make a male a female ?)
quick question though ... I think I bought reverse for the wrong reason .... (and maybe I just need to save it for the future ? )
I thought it would keep a male from flowering and pollinating the fems.... but after reading this thread...Im under the impression it is really for controlling hermies (not converting males to females )
I used non fem seeds.... and am 4 days into flower ...so I expect to see something within a week or so.... I was gonna spray the plants and hope they would all end up being female...but now im thinking i was way off....
please advise me ...Im somewhat overcrowded right now anyways ...so pulling the males (assuming it would be 50% of them) I could live with .... should I just save my reverse for a potential hermie in the future ? (oppesed to trying to make a male a female ?)
hi, ive been reading here and i think someone could help me. i hope i can get a reply. no one has post here since the beginning of july. ok, this is it. i have 2 nirvana auto blue mystic plants. they are advertised as 100% female. im not much for certainty. about 3 weeks in, they both showed sex. 1 seems to be all fem, the other showed male sacks first but now i can see white hairs also.(herm?) but like i said they are advertized as 100% fem, but the 1 plant showed male first. what does this mean? i would like to make the most out of the situation, so im intersted in producing seed. can someone explain my options
Hobbes
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Hey EvenHatersShowUsLove!
"quick question though ... I think I bought reverse for the wrong reason .... (and maybe I just need to save it for the future ? ) I thought it would keep a male from flowering and pollinating the fems.... but after reading this thread ... Im under the impression it is really for controlling hermies (not converting males to females ) - I used non fem seeds.... and am 4 days into flower ...so I expect to see something within a week or so.... I was gonna spray the plants and hope they would all end up being female...but now im thinking i was way off .... please advise me ...Im somewhat overcrowded right now anyways ...so pulling the males (assuming it would be 50% of them) I could live with .... should I just save my reverse for a potential hermie in the future ? (oppesed to trying to make a male a female ?)"
Sorry about being so long getting back to you. Yes, save your reverse until you see yellow bananas growing from the buds, this type of hermie may be controllable. A true hermie with balls at the nodes and seperate male flowers near impossible. If you do get a hermie your best friend will be a pair of tweezers, just go around after lights out with a flash light and the yellow bananas will jump out at you. Just pluck them.
This is no doubt way too late to help you, my apologies.
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"quick question though ... I think I bought reverse for the wrong reason .... (and maybe I just need to save it for the future ? ) I thought it would keep a male from flowering and pollinating the fems.... but after reading this thread ... Im under the impression it is really for controlling hermies (not converting males to females ) - I used non fem seeds.... and am 4 days into flower ...so I expect to see something within a week or so.... I was gonna spray the plants and hope they would all end up being female...but now im thinking i was way off .... please advise me ...Im somewhat overcrowded right now anyways ...so pulling the males (assuming it would be 50% of them) I could live with .... should I just save my reverse for a potential hermie in the future ? (oppesed to trying to make a male a female ?)"
Sorry about being so long getting back to you. Yes, save your reverse until you see yellow bananas growing from the buds, this type of hermie may be controllable. A true hermie with balls at the nodes and seperate male flowers near impossible. If you do get a hermie your best friend will be a pair of tweezers, just go around after lights out with a flash light and the yellow bananas will jump out at you. Just pluck them.
This is no doubt way too late to help you, my apologies.
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Hobbes
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Hey BTL!
I'm only a few days late on your post so hopefully your still around.
I get the shivers just looking at that plant. I don't say this often but chop it, cut it into pieces, put it in a plastic bag and get it out of your grow room. I've literally still got goose bumps and shivers.
Nirvana are not always good quality beans. I believe they buy from several breeders and the quality is never consistent. If they breed all inhouse they need to do some house cleaning. Some people get phenominal phenos from Nirvana, and I believe from the good breeeders. Every now and again someone gets what you have. Solid genetics will not hermie like that even if you interupt their dark cycle.
If you'd like some suggestions on good beans at good prices tell me what type of effect you're after and I'll make some suggestions. Here's my favorite:
https://www.rollitup.org/smoke-reports/244210-kali-mist-serious-seeds.html
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Hey BTL!
I'm only a few days late on your post so hopefully your still around.
I get the shivers just looking at that plant. I don't say this often but chop it, cut it into pieces, put it in a plastic bag and get it out of your grow room. I've literally still got goose bumps and shivers.
Nirvana are not always good quality beans. I believe they buy from several breeders and the quality is never consistent. If they breed all inhouse they need to do some house cleaning. Some people get phenominal phenos from Nirvana, and I believe from the good breeeders. Every now and again someone gets what you have. Solid genetics will not hermie like that even if you interupt their dark cycle.
If you'd like some suggestions on good beans at good prices tell me what type of effect you're after and I'll make some suggestions. Here's my favorite:
https://www.rollitup.org/smoke-reports/244210-kali-mist-serious-seeds.html
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Hobbes
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"Thanks for all the work your doing! This is one great thread!."
Thank you hic!
Anyone who'd like to thank me for anything I may or may no have done, or just have some fun, please check out a thread I made on Jon Stewart's forum in my absence. I was designing a CO2 subcritical fluid extractor to replace butane extraction and the process was a hell of a lot of fun. Here's a link to the thread if you want to check it out - all the info for the extractor is in blue, I wove threads of information - technical, letters, comedy, philosophy, music, video - to make it like a fun park to visit while a person absorbs the extractor info. The info is all in point form - in blue - if all you want to do is breeze through that it's easy to pick out.
Have a look, spin your mouse wheel, it doesn't matter where you start. Bookmark the thread, open an account, post a hello and drop back in again and again if you enjoy the place. If you want to build your own CO2 extractor and help the medical marijuana community - lower prices to patients and increase the potency and quality of their extracts - I'll work through the process with anyone who wants to understand it - but only on Jon Stewart's forum. I wrestled with that beast for two weeks, it would add and subtract lines and blocks of text at will and randomly. I just needed a quiet place and there is NO place quieter than Jon Stewart's forum. Ba ding bam!
It's formatted for a MacBook Pro 17" screen, there's a short introduction on the first page.
http://forums.thedailyshow.com/?page..._id=28916&pg=1
To understand, construct and operate the extractor this is all you need - if you put enough time into thinking the process through.
http://i25.tinypic.com/35k4jnn.jpg
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Drop in!
http://forums.thedailyshow.com/?page=ThreadView&thread_id=28916&pg=1
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"Thanks for all the work your doing! This is one great thread!."
Thank you hic!
Anyone who'd like to thank me for anything I may or may no have done, or just have some fun, please check out a thread I made on Jon Stewart's forum in my absence. I was designing a CO2 subcritical fluid extractor to replace butane extraction and the process was a hell of a lot of fun. Here's a link to the thread if you want to check it out - all the info for the extractor is in blue, I wove threads of information - technical, letters, comedy, philosophy, music, video - to make it like a fun park to visit while a person absorbs the extractor info. The info is all in point form - in blue - if all you want to do is breeze through that it's easy to pick out.
Have a look, spin your mouse wheel, it doesn't matter where you start. Bookmark the thread, open an account, post a hello and drop back in again and again if you enjoy the place. If you want to build your own CO2 extractor and help the medical marijuana community - lower prices to patients and increase the potency and quality of their extracts - I'll work through the process with anyone who wants to understand it - but only on Jon Stewart's forum. I wrestled with that beast for two weeks, it would add and subtract lines and blocks of text at will and randomly. I just needed a quiet place and there is NO place quieter than Jon Stewart's forum. Ba ding bam!
It's formatted for a MacBook Pro 17" screen, there's a short introduction on the first page.
http://forums.thedailyshow.com/?page..._id=28916&pg=1
To understand, construct and operate the extractor this is all you need - if you put enough time into thinking the process through.
http://i25.tinypic.com/35k4jnn.jpg
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Drop in!
http://forums.thedailyshow.com/?page=ThreadView&thread_id=28916&pg=1
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Hobbes
Well-Known Member
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"one question: is using the pvc necessary"
LOL!! Good point!
The model is a conceptual - its a teaching model only, not a working model. That's made from stainless steel - all of the written: parts list, assembly instructions, operating directions and parts list are in BLUE text on Jon's forum.
Everything else you advanced is correct, and more. There are very few trace chemicals left after a butane extraction, the concern is more for impurities in the butane than actual butane itself. But ... emptying two cans of butane into a single tray of brownies makes me queasy. Butane leaches various heavy metals from PVC, there is a past about that on my "gifts" thread on Jon's forum.
NL if you could would you open an account on Jon's forum and copy and past the question there - I want to start a discussion ... with other people for awhile!
Sometimes the journey is more important than the destination - I'm sure I could have made money selling these by now but if I start giving away fishes we're not going to go where we have to go. In pleasure boating there are two basic schools of thought - sailing and stink pots. In a power boat the destination is important - if going to an island a few clicks off shore you can power out in minutes and everyone can go about doing what they want to do. Sailing out requires time, skill and effort - people can get a ride out to the island and enjoy the scenery or they can chip in and help sail the boats: learning new skills that they can pass on, developing working friendships with their crew mates.
We are rudderless with only one engine working on a side, spinning us in circles.
http://forums.thedailyshow.com/?page=ThreadView&thread_id=28916&pg=1
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"one question: is using the pvc necessary"
LOL!! Good point!
The model is a conceptual - its a teaching model only, not a working model. That's made from stainless steel - all of the written: parts list, assembly instructions, operating directions and parts list are in BLUE text on Jon's forum.
Everything else you advanced is correct, and more. There are very few trace chemicals left after a butane extraction, the concern is more for impurities in the butane than actual butane itself. But ... emptying two cans of butane into a single tray of brownies makes me queasy. Butane leaches various heavy metals from PVC, there is a past about that on my "gifts" thread on Jon's forum.
NL if you could would you open an account on Jon's forum and copy and past the question there - I want to start a discussion ... with other people for awhile!
Sometimes the journey is more important than the destination - I'm sure I could have made money selling these by now but if I start giving away fishes we're not going to go where we have to go. In pleasure boating there are two basic schools of thought - sailing and stink pots. In a power boat the destination is important - if going to an island a few clicks off shore you can power out in minutes and everyone can go about doing what they want to do. Sailing out requires time, skill and effort - people can get a ride out to the island and enjoy the scenery or they can chip in and help sail the boats: learning new skills that they can pass on, developing working friendships with their crew mates.
We are rudderless with only one engine working on a side, spinning us in circles.
http://forums.thedailyshow.com/?page=ThreadView&thread_id=28916&pg=1
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