My very 1st grow.. very ghetto to start!

President Kush

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https://www.rollitup.org/harvesting-curing/28072-harvest-time-tutorial.html

figured this may help you, you may have read it but it has alot of useful info, and its about spot on for the right way to do it to get your best yield and quality.

Thanks again for the props and info man, here are some early pics from today:



It's tough to tell if the trichs are amber enough. I will probably end up harvesting tonight or tomorrow night, but I only want to take the colas and top branches. Is it possible to selectively harvest what I think is done and leave the lower branches to grow some more?

EDIT: Here are some pics of my stuff semi quick dried (buds rolled in tissue, taped over heat vent for 6-8 hours) and a bud of some of the best commercial sour diesel in the NYC area:



Note that my buds (first 2 pics) were picked about a week ago, they do not reflect the state of the plant as it is today.
 

President Kush

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Pics from this afternoon:




I tried taking a few macros without flash, relying instead on sunlight. Is it just me, or are the trichs only starting to get cloudy?
 

palehawaiian

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i would say harvest on the 12th or 13th, few more days. you can take the upper half an let the bottom go one more week. It won't hurt it at all.
 

President Kush

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I totally agree, it can't be more than a few more days till the top branches are ripe. I am definitely looking for amber in there, cause I love that absolutely overwhelming narcotic "stone" when you just sit there listening to insane music, feeling like you're on a roller coaster whenever you lean back and close your eyes.

It's still tough to tell what's going with the trichs, even with the macros. I definitely see them turning cloudy, but I see almost no amber. Am I not looking hard enough or is the plant just not there yet? I might stop by radioshack tomorrow and pick up a maginifyer thing. Either that, or I will pick off another bud and take a macro in the sunlight w/o flash.



These pics were taken yesterday afternoon.
 

palehawaiian

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Its must be a sativa dominate plant, meaning your harvest date (if going by trichrome color alone) could be still a few weeks away, your best bet is to get a microscope from radio shack, best investment you could make. If your sure when to pick them your gonna get a better result than just by guessing. Your plant could look great but not be ready and if you harvest early you will get buds that look great as soon as you harvest but when they start to dry they will get whispy and have like no weight, they will taste "green" even with a cure, and will not get you as stoned as you had hopes for.

Drop the 10-20 bucks and sell a half eighth to pay for it when your done. It will show you alot more than the macros can. Its hard to tell from your pics, like you said i see they are getting cloudy but i don't see amber. Get that scope and check them out. You'll see a huge difference in what you have been seeing, hell they could be ready to go or they could be still clear starting to get cloudy, you wont know till you get a closer look.

All that aside you have done extremely well with the resources you had, and should be very proud of what you have done. If I were you I would flip some of that and get a real light and some room to grow a few good seeds from a seed bank. You have a gift prez.

Congrats on your first grow.

I would +rep you if i could but it says i have to spread the love before i can give you more.
 

President Kush

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Its must be a sativa dominate plant, meaning your harvest date (if going by trichrome color alone) could be still a few weeks away, your best bet is to get a microscope from radio shack, best investment you could make. If your sure when to pick them your gonna get a better result than just by guessing. Your plant could look great but not be ready and if you harvest early you will get buds that look great as soon as you harvest but when they start to dry they will get whispy and have like no weight, they will taste "green" even with a cure, and will not get you as stoned as you had hopes for.

Drop the 10-20 bucks and sell a half eighth to pay for it when your done. It will show you alot more than the macros can. Its hard to tell from your pics, like you said i see they are getting cloudy but i don't see amber. Get that scope and check them out. You'll see a huge difference in what you have been seeing, hell they could be ready to go or they could be still clear starting to get cloudy, you wont know till you get a closer look.

All that aside you have done extremely well with the resources you had, and should be very proud of what you have done. If I were you I would flip some of that and get a real light and some room to grow a few good seeds from a seed bank. You have a gift prez.

Congrats on your first grow.

I would +rep you if i could but it says i have to spread the love before i can give you more.
It definitely seems like a straight haze plant to me, so it's most likely a sativa dom as you said. It's tough to tell by the high I got off the preemo buds.. it was almost a pure 'cerebral buzz', then again all premature bud is supposed to do this due to the lack of CBD and other cannibinoids, at least according to what I've read. Once I get paid I will go pick up a scope.. i just hope my local radioshack has the damn things :eyesmoke:. I can definitely make a lot of dough selling this bud. I can sell .7 $20s and call it "purple haze", or just sell 1/8ths for $70. People will seriously pay that much here and enjoy it too!

Thanks again (this applies to everyone else too btw) for the love and all the compliments, it means a lot to me. TBH, I am surprised as you are that this grow went so well. I have a good eye for details and am a quick learner, but that's about it.

You know, ironically, this grow was actually supposed to be practice for the big time. I don't know if I will truly go commercial, but I definitely plan on getting a house and at least filling up a room or two. I won't make a million bucks but I can clear a few Gs and smoke for free whenever I want. As long as I can make legit money, I won't have to pack out a house with plants. If it does come to that though, it will truly be one hell of a project. Whatever happens, I can't wait to pick up some Chronic #1, Master Kush, and all the other high-yield strains and grow me a real fuckin crop :blsmoke:

This is definitely not my last journal.
 

palehawaiian

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This is definitely not my last journal.
This is good to hear, if you wanna make some cash you can do pretty good with a proper set up and some patience. SCROG and LST will yield great results with minimal plants. The space that 1 plant could fill with SCROG or LST is the same space that would normally be occupied by 6 plants.

So if you planned to fill a 10X10 room you could do 30-40 standard plants and get the same as if you were to do it with 8-10 SCROG or LST plants.

Yields could be achieved for way less risk, I don't know were you live and state to state varies greatly but i know alot of states have limits on how many plants you can have before you step into the next level of criminal charges.

In Hawaii you can have 26 plants on your property, no matter how many occupants the limit is 26. If one was caught with 26 or less they would most likely get in no trouble and not lose any of there plants. However the state is lenient in the matter and law enforcement will pretty much fuck you with sandpaper wrapped dildos and treat you like a terrorist for 27 plants.

The point is if you do a little research before your next grow and know what you want to accomplish and what you wanna do you will be better off than just planting 100 seeds and seeing what grows. Spend some money and get some supplies saved up. Get you lights in order and prepare your veg room at least. Make sure before you start that you can have a flowering area ready. That is if you wanna have a perpetual harvest, essentially never running out. Do be greedy when you sell your smoke, your the grower. You don't make full price, believe me. Unless you wanna stick to selling 20 sacks and eights all the time, you will need to sell some heavier weight, Zips QPs and Pounds.

Think about it this way, weed here full price is 400 an ounce. If you break that into 8ths and sell them for the normal (for here it is) 50 bucks your essentially giving weed away for free. Now full price is 400 but a grower here thats is at the top of the smokechain will sell the same ounce for 250 or so. Giving the person that buys it the ability to make some money and come back with more money next time he re-ups. Basically you need to keep your consumers happy with your product and prices. Also by selling a QP to a dealer you can make say 900 bucks off of on plant or less, now multiply that by say 12 plants your making 10,800 every harvest. And with nearly no risk of getting caught selling it. Not how it works if your flipping 20 bags on the corner and get busted.

Say you have three full rooms to grow in, 12 plants in flower 16 in veg and 25 clones or seedlings starting.

Weed your 25 clones to the 16 that are doing the best, move those into your veg room after 3 weeks of sprout time, after they hit the veg room, give them about 12 weeks of training to get your yield up. Once they get to were you want them take your strongest twelve and throw them in flower. Take the 4 you did not move to flower and clone the shit out of them to get you 25 clones. In reality you gonna get like 100 or so clones from 4 trained plant. Good clones here sell for 20 bucks.

So break this down to money. 12 plants estimated at four ounces a piece, makes you 10.8k every harvest, three to four harvest a year, you make 32.4 to 43.2k a year, add clones if you sell those your could say your gonna get 75 clones every cycle maybe you get 60 out of that, that make it. You are talking 3,600 to 4,800 bucks. Add that up if you pull three to four harvests a year you can make 36,000 to 48,000 a year.

Sounds good to me, you just gotta be serious about what your doing and keep it a secret, dont have company don't brag and have reliable people that you can trust to sell your product to. Get to know someone that wants to grow and sell them your clones. Let nobody know you grow, dont let anyone know were you live, not even family, rent two places and keep one secret. If you set out on the venture with a plan you can do pretty good for yourself.

Well thats my brain dump, my joint is almost gone and i got cotton mouth like a bitch so i am out.
 

President Kush

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Wow, thanks for the primer man! I have a plan, of course, and it calls for growing as many plants as I can fit inside two rooms of a house. The original plan called for buying a house and filling the entire thing with plants. I'm talking the basement, every room, bathroom, etc.. all hydro systems. The goal would be to make $1M in a year and split it 50/50 with my partner. High risk, but huge reward.

The current idea is far more realistic. One room will be the veg room and contain a few mom plants for cloning (in the closet under 24hr light). The other room will obviously be the flower room.

We plan to use at least 2000W of MH lights in the veg room along with some 2500K 26W CFLs, just so there is a more natural light spectrum. I want those girls to be huge when they go to the bloom room, which will also have around 2000W of lights, except they will be HPS and include 6500K 26W CFLs.

Both rooms will be completely sealed in with mylar, especially if the house is a rental. This will reflect a ton of light around and hopefully keep moisture and fungi away from the walls.

The seeds will be started in propagation trays like they are supposed to. I will have PPM meters as well as PH meters and maybe even CO2 meters/generators if I need it. All plants will be grown in soil (for now) using Fox Farms mediums and organic nutes. I may combine this with bat guano and molasses-waterings if it will help substantially.

For ventilation, we will put in some fans + ducts that vent somewhere inconspicuous along with an in-line carbon filter to eliminate the smell. This will get real interesting if the house is a rental, cause the ducts will have to remain within the rooms in case the landlord has to come in the house. At least I don't have to worry about cops driving around with FLIR sensors here. If that somehow becomes a problem, we will simply install refrigeration components in the ducts to dissipate the heat.

I'm not sure whether I will use SCROG, LST or a combination of both. Is it even possible to LST a plant and then somehow force all the branches into the screen? My main goal will be yields, because the stuff I will grow will be better than any of the commercial shit around here anyway. I want 1lb/plant, even though it probably won't happen. I am eying strains like Chronic #1 for that purpose, although I'm sure there are even higher yielders out there.

The hardest part is finding a freakin house to do it. I will be growing with a partner, and he and I will be the only ones that know the house, let alone the grow even exists. We have been through a ton of shit before, and a grow house is really nothing compared to some of the shit we've done. Legally, not much would happen to us even if we were caught. The cops don't even look for growers unless of course they are tipped off, and that will never happen. All the stuff will be sold via my partner to dealers by the pound. We already have customers that know us for getting cheap, awesome weed. They will just think we found a good deal, cause no one will tell them it's grown locally. One of my concerns is whether or not they can tell the difference, cause I don't need gangs or the mob trying to rob my ass lol. Over here, that is way more likely to happen than us getting raided.

Until we can "legitimize" our money, it will be hard to buy a house or take out a mortgage without attracting attention. If we have to do this in a rental, it's gonna suck balls. Any tips on growing in a rented house lol? If we do have to rent, a house is probably a bad idea. A condo or apartment in a large building seems like the better choice, as the landlord/supers never come in your place unless absolutely necessary. Even if they did, the grow would be confined to two bedrooms that will be locked at all times, and hermetically sealed to avoid any smell leakage.

Lemme know what you think about all those plans. Like I said, I doubt I will have to do it at this point, although it won't hurt if I move into a house with my partner anyway.

Here are some pics of the current plant, taken yesterday night:



The fourth pic is pretty clear. Most trichs seems cloudy, and a couple are amber. Looks like it may take another week, God damn! I won't be able to get the scope until tomorrow, and that's if they carry it here. Compare the pics above with this macro of some very pricey sour diesel:



Almost all the trichs are amber as fuck! Did the trichs look that way right before the harvest, or did they just get like that after drying? I am going after that kind of high, so I plan on waiting until the trichs are amber. Interestingly enough, sour diesel is supposed to be 90% sativa. Maybe that's why they wait till the trichs get like that, to incorporate a body stone into the already strong head buzz.
 

Drunkinop420

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Thats pretty nice set up....me and my partner have a house....but we use two of tyhe three rooms for banging chicks.....but we do have another room were currently converting in to our flower/veg room. We currently have 3 swiss cheese,1 master kush,1 Buddha cheese and some fire cali bag seed vegging...just waiting till the room sis done...we plant to mother the Master kush and the best looking swiss cheese, and the fire bag seed. got a journal on it. Good luck man hope you get that house going.
 

palehawaiian

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Thats pretty nice set up....me and my partner have a house....but we use two of tyhe three rooms for banging chicks......
Chicks talk bro, they gossip and chit-chat with each other,

"Hey Tina, this guy I was fuckin the other day has a house with alot of pot in it." Said Jessica.
"No way, thats cool I love to smoke buds!" Replied Tina.
"He has a buddy there to I bet I could hook you up with him." Said Jessica

"Hey Alice, did you know that Jessica knows these guys over in the apartments off Main St. that smoke hella weed, she is gonna hook me up" Said Tina
"Thats awesome, I wish I could go get some weed with you guys" commented Alisha
"Yeah that would be rather nifty." Tina replied.

"So I was like talking to tina and she like said that like Jessica, was doing some guy that like grows Mary Jane, I guess they like hang out there all the time" Said Rita to Jennifer.

And on and on and on, till you piss off one of the chicks and they rat on you to get even or the wrong person hears them BS'ing and rips you off or turns you in.

Keep people out of your grow house, always. Thats rule numero uno.

That shit is private and should be kept that way, and if you think your gonna keep people from finding out when they are in your house your wrong, there gonna smell it, hermetically sealed, carbon filters, Nag Champa. Whatever you wanna use your still gonna smell a room full of plants when its in the same house.
 

President Kush

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Thats pretty nice set up....me and my partner have a house....but we use two of tyhe three rooms for banging chicks.....but we do have another room were currently converting in to our flower/veg room. We currently have 3 swiss cheese,1 master kush,1 Buddha cheese and some fire cali bag seed vegging...just waiting till the room sis done...we plant to mother the Master kush and the best looking swiss cheese, and the fire bag seed. got a journal on it. Good luck man hope you get that house going.
Thanks, good luck on your grow too. If only setting everything up was as easy as thinking of it :eyesmoke::lol:

Chicks talk bro, they gossip and chit-chat with each other,
Hahah ohhh man, I know that one all too well. When I was younger, I had a girl rat me out for just having weed. Thankfully I didn't sell, and nothing really came of it. If you piss off the wrong girl and she knows you grow bud, you are fucked. One minute these girls will be telling you how they love you, want to marry you, live with you forever then if they even think you are playing them or something, they will turn into your worst fucking enemy and try to destroy in any way possible. I sure hope Drunkinop420 knows this if he's fuckin mad bitches. I've had a few of my friends busted just because of the gossip generated from visitors to their house. They weren't even growing, they just had pounds of weed and the whole house stunk. This always happens to the younger dealers/growers!!

You really have to keep the shit between you and one partner (if necessary). Do not discuss any illegal activity on the phone or internet unless you use skype or any other service which strongly encrypts the conversation. Get a laptop if you don't have one already, and only use that to do anything weed related. Make absolutely sure that you keep that laptop on you at all times, that way no one can sneak into your house and put bugs in it. Yes, it seriously does happen to people who really move weight, unless of course you live in Humboldt county or something :bigjoint:. If you are really paranoid, encrypt the hard drive with truecrypt and use tor to secure your web browsing. Google those software titles and you can d/l them all in 2 minutes.

there gonna smell it, hermetically sealed, carbon filters, Nag Champa. Whatever you wanna use your still gonna smell a room full of plants when its in the same house.
Damn, really? That pretty much eliminates rentals as a possibility. What if we seal the room with turkey bags or opsaks? If there was a way to connect a bunch of that material together and surround the whole room with it, it just may work. You would also have to make sure that the door creates a tight seal, which would be very difficult.
 

palehawaiian

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I am not saying you can't seriously regulate the smell of growing marijuana in a house, just that if you think your gonna hide it from people in your house your mistaken. A completely sealed room with a carbon filter on an adequate ventilation system will keep it from being smelled by the majority of people. The main concern for a grower with smell is that someone outside the home may smell it. If your not bringing people into your house than you will be fine most likely with i decent carbon filter. Ona gell is good to so is Ozium.

You gotta remember that if your renting, the law states that the landlord must give notice of intent to enter the residence 24-48 hours in advance unless for emergency purposes. If a pipe burst in your wall and they needed in to your place to fix it regardless if your there or not they can come in without notice. Most landlords don't come in or even want to come in. Your best bet if you wanna rent an apartment is to chit chat with some people at the apartment complex. Ask how often the landlord is bugging people, ask if its a pretty mellow private place. You can pretty much judge what is what from the neighbors opinions.

If your growing in an apartment you need to really focus on smell and be ready to fuck up some drywall, you want to vent your grow room into the attic or below the house if your lucky and have wood floors. Make sure you feed your exhaust through carbon filters prior to discharge or everyone in the complex will smell you operation. Also you gotta worry about how to get supplies into your apartment. People will think somethings up if they watch you bring in 150 large pots and 300 pounds of soil.


If i was gonna grow on a large scale i know how I would do it.

First you need a 3 bedroom, whatever works for you, apartment house whatever. I would line the walls with corkboard if its an apartment, to kill the sound of the buzzing ballasts, and pumps and fans and whatnot.

Three rooms say average size would be 12x12 feet or 144 Sq Ft. So if you add room to maneuver your looking at roughly 30 1.5 Sq Ft ScrOG screens, i would have 4 one thousand watt HPS lights with cooltubes venting to the attic. Carbon filters on all exhaust, seal windows and doors best you can, Grow in soil cause it will forgive you, hydro can go bad real quick if something goes wrong. Five gallon bucket for each screen. So you need 90 buckets. one room with 4k of HPS and one room with 4k of MH. Third room for propagation with fluorescent. Perpetual harvest start 40 and weed that to about 35 by the time training is to begin and down to the final 30 when you start flower. My scrog history tells me i can pull about 5 ounces in 1.5 sq ft. 5 times 250 is 1k and 1k times 30 is 30 k thats 120k year. And thats enough money that if the DEA don't screw you the IRS will.

I have good friend in Hawaii that has a four bedroom house with a two car garage. Everything is full of plants, four bedrooms the garage the large bathroom the kitchen living room and closets yada yada. He has about ten by ten feet in the living room for a hotplate and minifridge and recliner, TV and such. No one comes over except the closest of friends (last time i checked that was me and his brother) and he manages to pull about 450k a harvest, but he does clones all the same age from start to finish, and when he harvests he starts over again. He has no perpetual harvest, so if he ruins a crop, and that does happen sometimes he has no harvest at all and has to start over again. Last time i went with this guy to trim was about 3 weeks before i moved back to oregon and it took 6 people 4 days of nothing but trimming till it was done.

Its alot of work to do it big.
 

President Kush

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I am not saying you can't seriously regulate the smell of growing marijuana in a house, just that if you think your gonna hide it from people in your house your mistaken. A completely sealed room with a carbon filter on an adequate ventilation system will keep it from being smelled by the majority of people. The main concern for a grower with smell is that someone outside the home may smell it. If your not bringing people into your house than you will be fine most likely with i decent carbon filter. Ona gell is good to so is Ozium.

You gotta remember that if your renting, the law states that the landlord must give notice of intent to enter the residence 24-48 hours in advance unless for emergency purposes. If a pipe burst in your wall and they needed in to your place to fix it regardless if your there or not they can come in without notice. Most landlords don't come in or even want to come in. Your best bet if you wanna rent an apartment is to chit chat with some people at the apartment complex. Ask how often the landlord is bugging people, ask if its a pretty mellow private place. You can pretty much judge what is what from the neighbors opinions.

If your growing in an apartment you need to really focus on smell and be ready to fuck up some drywall, you want to vent your grow room into the attic or below the house if your lucky and have wood floors. Make sure you feed your exhaust through carbon filters prior to discharge or everyone in the complex will smell you operation. Also you gotta worry about how to get supplies into your apartment. People will think somethings up if they watch you bring in 150 large pots and 300 pounds of soil.
Bringing in supplies isn't a problem, we would just carry in a couple unmarked boxes every few days. I would say we are running some electronics business if anyone asks what we do. That would also explain the power consumption to a degree, in case the landlord sees the power bill.

I can see the smell being a problem for people who get to stay inside the grow house/apartment for a while, but would a landlord really be able to smell a well insulated grow room with carbon filters and ionizers after being in the living room or basement for a few minutes to an hour? If so, I would be very hesitant to do it in a rental house. I have heard stories of nosy landlords knocking on the door randomly, and they get very suspicious if you don't let them in. You can legally keep them out, but they will know somethings up and will constantly harass you. Yeah, there are people with absolutely no life over here... You can ask people for info on lenient landlords or for references, but that would be risk as those people may get wise and try to rob you or tip off the cops. Even if they don't, it's still a gamble with some of these homeowners.

An apartment or condo in a tall building is probably the best rental choice around here. If you are 10-20 stories up and can vent through a window with carbon filters, not only would no one smell it, but cops would have a hell of a time getting up there to do any kind of investigation. You can also hide the heat by hooking up refrigeration tubes or even dry ice inside the ducts, at least in theory. I doubt you would have to go that far, cause the local cops won't be using FLIR unless they get a tip. Shit, even then they probably won't bother unless it's a warehouse. If anything, they'd look in your trash for leaves and check the power bill. The only growers I've heard get busted in this area were caught due to informants, actually.

If i was gonna grow on a large scale i know how I would do it.

First you need a 3 bedroom, whatever works for you, apartment house whatever. I would line the walls with corkboard if its an apartment, to kill the sound of the buzzing ballasts, and pumps and fans and whatnot.
Hmmm good point. I have an old ~15W CFL desklight with a remote ballast, and I can hear that transformer buzzing away when my computer isn't on. I can imagine what 4000W of lighting would sound like :twisted:

Three rooms say average size would be 12x12 feet or 144 Sq Ft. So if you add room to maneuver your looking at roughly 30 1.5 Sq Ft ScrOG screens, i would have 4 one thousand watt HPS lights with cooltubes venting to the attic. Carbon filters on all exhaust, seal windows and doors best you can, Grow in soil cause it will forgive you, hydro can go bad real quick if something goes wrong. Five gallon bucket for each screen. So you need 90 buckets. one room with 4k of HPS and one room with 4k of MH. Third room for propagation with fluorescent. Perpetual harvest start 40 and weed that to about 35 by the time training is to begin and down to the final 30 when you start flower. My scrog history tells me i can pull about 5 ounces in 1.5 sq ft. 5 times 250 is 1k and 1k times 30 is 30 k thats 120k year. And thats enough money that if the DEA don't screw you the IRS will.
So each plant would have a 1.5 square foot ScrOG screen and yield 5oz, times 30 plants? That would be around 9.375lbs, which would be worth just shy of $42,000 to us. If we get 4 harvests in a year, that's 168K or 84K a person. Not bad for a relatively small operation. You can grow bud and still work a regular job, then spend the money you reported as legit income however you want. Laundering the cash is where problems start. You're right about the IRS coming to fuck you if the DEA doesn't. Folks, don't be one of those "high rollers" that cash in and immediately buy an S500 with cash that came out of nowhere. Don't even buy a Hyundai Accent without clean money. You can always just get an old car and hook it up tho :blsmoke:

I have good friend in Hawaii that has a four bedroom house with a two car garage. Everything is full of plants, four bedrooms the garage the large bathroom the kitchen living room and closets yada yada. He has about ten by ten feet in the living room for a hotplate and minifridge and recliner, TV and such. No one comes over except the closest of friends (last time i checked that was me and his brother) and he manages to pull about 450k a harvest, but he does clones all the same age from start to finish, and when he harvests he starts over again. He has no perpetual harvest, so if he ruins a crop, and that does happen sometimes he has no harvest at all and has to start over again. Last time i went with this guy to trim was about 3 weeks before i moved back to oregon and it took 6 people 4 days of nothing but trimming till it was done.
Its alot of work to do it big.
Heh.. now that's the kind of thing I originally wanted to get into. Only problem is, you need to prove where your income came from when you buy a house :-(. You obviously can't be doing this with a rental, unless you know the owner will be gone for a year and/or you aint afraid to go to jail. If I didn't have some legit opportunities to look forward to, I'd still be looking for a way to get that mythical grow house. It's certainly a hell of a lot of work which would get repetitive if you did it too long, but it would be fun to do for a year or so. Same goes for the smaller op you and I were talking about earlier, it's still hard but it's fun and you can be high as hell the whole time. If you have a bunch of different strains, it would be heaven, at least for me. I can't imagine smoking the same shit for a year straight, no matter how good.

My ultimate goal is to have the smaller op going with 10-20 plants and get as close to 1lb/plant as possible. I know it's very hard, but with the right strains, lighting, nutes, etc. it should be possible. Only problem is space. No use getting 1lb/plant if you have 5 gigantic ass plants that take up the whole room. In that case, ScrOG is more efficient and the obvious choice for weight to space ratio.


You get that scope Prez?
Nope. Naturally, our local Radioshacks do not carry them. FML. I can order one online, but I think I'll be harvesting before it will get here. I'm going to have to rely on macros for now, although I think I found a way to make them usable.



Take a look at pics 2,3,6 & 7. Without the flash and with decent lighting, you can start to make out the color of the trichs. It looks like the amber is really starting to come in now!! Should I give her another couple of days, or harvest tonight?
 

palehawaiian

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I would say, by looking at the pics that you have about two more days. As long as you have been flushing i would say harvest Sunday morning right before lights on. Cut off the bigger shade leaves, any that aren't attached to the buds and hang the whole thing upside down. I discourage trimming anything till its dry, just cut it an inch above the soil line and hang her up, she should be dry in 48 to 72 hours depending on your temperature and humidity levels locally.

Well done man, remember i want yield numbers off her before you go and smoke it all up. Once its trimmed get a total weight and post it here, add up how many lights and what wattage they are and post that to.

Hats off to you, that girl looks delicious. I bet the hash that comes from the trim, albeit not to much, should be some killer shit.
You are making hash right? Lol, what kind do you know how to make? If you want I will tell you how to make oil the right way for like less than 10 bucks.

Well peace out prez
 

President Kush

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I would say, by looking at the pics that you have about two more days. As long as you have been flushing i would say harvest Sunday morning right before lights on. Cut off the bigger shade leaves, any that aren't attached to the buds and hang the whole thing upside down. I discourage trimming anything till its dry, just cut it an inch above the soil line and hang her up, she should be dry in 48 to 72 hours depending on your temperature and humidity levels locally.

Well done man, remember i want yield numbers off her before you go and smoke it all up. Once its trimmed get a total weight and post it here, add up how many lights and what wattage they are and post that to.

Hats off to you, that girl looks delicious. I bet the hash that comes from the trim, albeit not to much, should be some killer shit.
You are making hash right? Lol, what kind do you know how to make? If you want I will tell you how to make oil the right way for like less than 10 bucks.

Well peace out prez
I agree, Friday night I'll post a few last pics just to be sure. I plan to cut off the ripe top branches first and leave the rest to mature for as long as possible. Most of the bottom branches are still green and shit with white hairs on the calyxes.

Whatever is cut will be hung up to dry, followed by the standard mason jar cure. I have a scale so weights aren't a problem, I'm actually dying to know myself. I doubt I'll see a full 1/4oz (especially since I picked already) but it would be sick if I got close.

Oh yeah, definitely making hash. I want to make bubble hash but don't want to buy the bags. Blender hash is more involved but I heard it works just as well. I have mad trim saved up already, although most of it is dry (not sure if that's bad). What's your method?
 

palehawaiian

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Hash oil.

You will need:
Alot of trim, cut up as fine as you can get it. ( i use a magic bullet)
A length of copper or PVC pipe and end caps for said pipe.
2 coffee filter.
2 Lg cans of ronsonal butane.
1 large Pyrex brownie pan. Has to be Pyrex glass, with out scratches and as flat as you can get.
2 flexible razor blades
Needle nose locking vice grips.

Take length of PVC or copper pipe that you can fill to the top with your ground trim, you want the tube to be filled and lightly packed with the well ground DRY trim. Look for smaller pipe, nothing bigger than a small red bull can. I use 3/4 inch. Get two endcaps for the pipe your using. Find a drill bit that is just big enough that you could put the tip of a can of butane into the hole it drills. Drill one hole dead center on one of the caps. On the other cap drill 10 to 15 holes like you would see on a salt shaker. Now everything is prepped and you can move on to the next step.

Put the two coffe filters together and hold them over the end of your pipe. Put the end cap, with the 10-15 holes on over the filters holding them in place. Take your well ground dry trim and fill the tube. Make sure you lightly pack it in as you go, it should be packed evenly, you don't want any voids or open spots. You don't need to pack it super tight but enough that its snug. Once it is filled to the top put on your other end cap and make sure that both caps are on tight.

This is were you need to go outside, make sure there is no open flames or anyone smoking nearby. Put the Pyrex dish into another pan that had hot water in it. Make sure its sturdy and that it will not tip over or spill water into the Pyrex dish. Hold your pipe with trim over the Pyrex about 1 inch away, single hole side up. Use both cans of butane one after the other and run it through the pipe. It takes a few seconds before it starts to come out but it will start to drip out the bottom. Hold the butane tight to the pipe until it stops dripping out the bottom, then do the same with the second can.

You will notice that what came dripping out was a darker green color, thats the hash oil. You will see the butane boiling off in the plate. Leave it alone till its done, about an hour or so. When you come back to the Pyrex you will see a nice layer on the bottom of it, this is your hash oil. I bring mine inside and put the whole Pyrex dish into a brown paper bag and seal it up. I let this sit in a warm spot for at least 24 hours.

Scrape up whats there buy using your razor blade, I hold my blade with the vice grips so I don't kill my hand or cut myself.

Smoke up. If you get a needle and get a small drop on the tip you can hold that over a bowl, and heat the needle just above the the drop till it melts off and drips on your bowl. I like to smear melted oil all over a paper and roll a joint with it. About one match head sized drop is the same as a joint so be careful. The shits potent.
 

President Kush

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Cool, thanks for the info. Not sure if I'm gonna make hash oil or just blender hash. I doubt I'll have enough trim to do both tho.

Here are some pics from yesterday:



It's still tough to tell exactly what is going on, but there is definitely some amber in there. I'd rather cut down those top branches tonight or tomorrow than risk them becoming overripe and losing potency.
 

President Kush

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So it's supposed to be harvest time right? I cut off a nice bud near the cola and let it dry overnight over my computer exhaust fan. In the end, it was not that much better than the buds I sampled weeks ago, WTF?? It got me high, but I didn't get the usual 'rush' when I first smoke and the whole high was mild at best. Then again, I am comparing this bud to the high end sours I usually pick up. I really hoped the stuff off this plant would at least be somewhat close to that.

I just don't get it. Is the bud still not ripe enough, or is it the drying method? This was not a harsh microwave/toaster oven quick dry either, it took at least 12 hours. I know that a traditional dry and cure will make it look and taste better, but will the potency really improve that much? I hope this isn't just some weak ass strain that only looks good. Anyway, here are the latest pics:



If these pics are accurate, then most of the trichs are cloudy and some are starting to turn amber. With that level of amberness, shouldn't I get a nice high even though the bud wasn't fully cured?

Now for a few pics of the dried bud:



Notice the clusters of amber trichs, or at least that's what it looks like. Damn, I wish I had that scope right about now :sad:. Someone has to be able to tell what is going on by looking at all these pics.
 

palehawaiian

Active Member
quick drying with heat can degrade potency. I dont know how hot it is but i would also say that your plant is not really ready. When you get to mostly amber is when you wanna pull it. Thats when i would at least. If you pull early and dry fast your not gonna be satisfied. You need a scope.
 
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