White Widow Waterfarm. 1st Journal on the forums.

[Megalith]

Im sub'd. I want to to first say nice grow. Now, you do not want your PH jumping "around" you want it stable. The way you get it stable is by observing. You know the target range but if you dont stablize it will always go one way or the other and when its too high or too low they dont get sqaut for nutes. You watch the PPM and the PH daily. Depending on your set-up most of us lose a liitle H20 to evapoation. When the PPM goes up the plants are taking more H20 than nutes. When they go down its getting more nutes than H20. When the PH goes up it means their taking in nutes which is good but it may be too little. When the PH goes down the nutes are too high. The trick is to monitor this and get it stable. The PH will stablize when the nute level is correct for your farm/system/plant. Its also good to know this si9nce your adding water and nutes daily or whatever so you can set it back to that stable environment. Otherwise you spend way too much time screwin around with everything and it cost $ to always add PH up and down. I will say this tho. less is more. better to see PH go up and know plant is doing its processes verse it going down cuz below 5.2 it doesnt get much. Lava rocks are better in my opinion as well. The hydrot always has residue. I use both now but only because my store is out of the rocks I want. I hope this info helps, once I got this down hydro was simple.

 

[jimbizzzale67123]

Im sub'd. I want to to first say nice grow. Now, you do not want your PH jumping "around" you want it stable. The way you get it stable is by observing. You know the target range but if you dont stablize it will always go one way or the other and when its too high or too low they dont get sqaut for nutes. You watch the PPM and the PH daily. Depending on your set-up most of us lose a liitle H20 to evapoation. When the PPM goes up the plants are taking more H20 than nutes. When they go down its getting more nutes than H20. When the PH goes up it means their taking in nutes which is good but it may be too little. When the PH goes down the nutes are too high. The trick is to monitor this and get it stable. The PH will stablize when the nute level is correct for your farm/system/plant. Its also good to know this si9nce your adding water and nutes daily or whatever so you can set it back to that stable environment. Otherwise you spend way too much time screwin around with everything and it cost $ to always add PH up and down. I will say this tho. less is more. better to see PH go up and know plant is doing its processes verse it going down cuz below 5.2 it doesnt get much. Lava rocks are better in my opinion as well. The hydrot always has residue. I use both now but only because my store is out of the rocks I want. I hope this info helps, once I got this down hydro was simple.

Great info, thanks.

 

[Megalith]

I see I will have too do that trick with covering the hole I kept noticing the light was shooting down that hole didnt know if it was supposed to do that. Damn soil was always so easy to germ, or I just suck.

Dont worry about the long post im not afraid to read unlike most of my generation.

I use the brown seeds mostly. I pinch them 1st b/w thumb and pointer to make sure they dont crumble. You want a strong seed. Then I place them in good water for 24/36 hours. If its a good seed it will sink. If they float I tap them down beause air bubles keep them up. They crack usually in 24 hours. After I see theyre open I drop them in the plugs about1/8-1/4 in. Within 3 days theyre up. I use a 200-250 PPM on all seedlings and clones. I spray the plug and plant 3-4 times a day. they root within 7-10 days

 

[Megalith]

Great info, thanks.

anytime dude. no sense in wasting $ on nutes not used and PH like its 80's hair gel. I dont know much about your nutes but I would say a 2 part syytem is minimal in hydro. Look for a bolom formula you like. If you use a high N veg form then you want to flush. The N makes them stretch in the first couple weeks of flower. you aslo want to use the MH-HPS in 3:1 0r 2:1 ratio. The MH definately helps minimize the stretch. They will love you for a High P bloom form.

 

[remi11]

Man urs started later than mine and looks as big if not bigger. I was planning on flowering Friday too ill see if I could get ya pic tonight looks good. Love the screen bro

 

[legallyflying]

Looking good. I would FIM that fucker for sure and start to get it mega branching. I'm two weeks into my first scrog as well. You look like your getting close to flip time no?

 

[jimbizzzale67123]

Looking good. I would FIM that fucker for sure and start to get it mega branching. I'm two weeks into my first scrog as well. You look like your getting close to flip time no?

Yes I am I have never FIMed before would I do it to all the bud sites or just the top cola. This is my first time using a scrog method, I also didn't know what to do with the big fan leaves will they remain under the screen or do I tuck them through. I already started positioning bud sites through the individual holes and I plan on just weaving them along as they progress during the beginning of flowering when they stretch.

 

[jimbizzzale67123]

Man urs started later than mine and looks as big if not bigger. I was planning on flowering Friday too ill see if I could get ya pic tonight looks good. Love the screen bro

Yea she seems to be really taking off I cant wait for her to flower I am so nervous about that growth.

 

[legallyflying]

Yes I am I have never FIMed before would I do it to all the bud sites or just the top cola. This is my first time using a scrog method, I also didn't know what to do with the big fan leaves will they remain under the screen or do I tuck them through. I already started positioning bud sites through the individual holes and I plan on just weaving them along as they progress during the beginning of flowering when they stretch.

also,
Well if the main stems are in the screen already then I wouldn't really worry about it. Guess I would need to see a really recent picture. I FIM'd when they had about 5 nodes. When you FIM you end up with about 5-6 growing "tops". This is good for a scrog as you get main branches heading to different parts of the screen and its a little easier to train. Also, when you have more main branches you have more nodes that can shoot up as branches through your scrog screen. More main "thick" branches that bud stems are shooting off of.
This is really just a strategy for those like me with fewer plants. I have 7 plants in a 24 sq. ft. screen so I need to really train the shit out of them.

Don't worry about the fan leaves yet, just pull them through the screen. Your screen holes look pretty damn small in the picture. Your really going to have to stay on top of the plants and keep scrogging them as I think that if you let the branches grow for 2-3 days without training your not going to be able to push them back through the screen without breaking them.

I'm going to update my scrog pics, I'll shoot you a link to my grow journal.

 

[OGPanda]

How big are those squares? Looks like 1 inch by 1 inch from the photos..

 

[legallyflying]

How big are those squares? Looks like 1 inch by 1 inch from the photos..

that's what I thought.... ugggh. mine are tough enough and they are 2 1/4".

Probably be fine but going to beat uo the plants pretty good if training hard.

 

[jimbizzzale67123]

that's what I thought.... ugggh. mine are tough enough and they are 2 1/4".

Probably be fine but going to beat uo the plants pretty good if training hard.

In scottys journal someone said 1in will be fine they are tight but I will weave them through. In the future I will probably make one with a larger screen.

 

[Serapis]

Good looking grow. Scotty inspired me to do 2 waterfarms. I'm running them now with no plants and the PH is hard to keep stable. I have RO water and ppm is at 500 as a test run. I quit adjusting the PH because it always goes back to high 7's. I guess I'll be adjusting daily. I have 2 Bubblelicious seeds germing in two rapid rooters, sitting on a heat pad. The tray has a dome and about 1/8" of a weak solution with B1 Thrive. I was going to try Scotty's method of placing tap root in hydroton, but I keep having visions of my $7 fem seed falling through the cracks and getting burried in clay pebbles.

I hope to get as good as a start as you have had for my first hydro. How is your PH reacting now that you are feeding and maintaining the PPM?

 

[jimbizzzale67123]

Good looking grow. Scotty inspired me to do 2 waterfarms. I'm running them now with no plants and the PH is hard to keep stable. I have RO water and ppm is at 500 as a test run. I quit adjusting the PH because it always goes back to high 7's. I guess I'll be adjusting daily. I have 2 Bubblelicious seeds germing in two rapid rooters, sitting on a heat pad. The tray has a dome and about 1/8" of a weak solution with B1 Thrive. I was going to try Scotty's method of placing tap root in hydroton, but I keep having visions of my $7 fem seed falling through the cracks and getting burried in clay pebbles.

I hope to get as good as a start as you have had for my first hydro. How is your PH reacting now that you are feeding and maintaining the PPM?

If you have any kind of florakleen or a product similar I would soak it in that it seemed to do the trick for me, it was unstable as hell in the beginning but now I only have to adjust it maybe once a day which isn't bad at all I like knowing the Ph is always in range. I was scared too about putting in the pebbles it was my last female seed it the plugs seem to work great. I havent got a PPM meter yet I just havent had any available funds but I am just feeding light she is drinking close to a half gallon a day. I am working in the lair right now and will be posting pictures in a hour or so.

 

[Serapis]

I have drip clean, so I think before I actually place the plugs into the farms, I'll disassemble and soak in PH'ed water with some drip clean.

Thanks for the tip. I'm subed and watching. Scotty got me excited with 16 O's with one farm. I went and bought a 4x4 Jardin with all the fixings and two farms. I hope to be able to harvest alternating halves of the tent every 4 weeks or so.

Looking forward to the pics.

Scottyballs, you rock! You gave me the confidence to go hydro. I love your KISS way of thinking. Thanks for sharing you guys!!

 

[jimbizzzale67123]

Update
I agree the 1in will be a pain so I decided to go with 4in and I custom made them while I was gone, I also smoked a bowl too. Anyways that stupid growth is still pissing me off it looks so reminecient to the start of a pollen sac, I really hope its a girl. But it is strange in other spots where preflowers appear there is growth with something sticking strange out so maybe this plant just has weird shit going on. Anyways I am going to start to flower Friday so we shall see in a short time.

Note the strange brown color on the stem is that similar to damping off in soil should I tear off the top part of the plug? Or is this common in Hydro I have never really noticed this with my soil grows or maybe I dont remember correctly.
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[Serapis]

Please forgive me if you aren't looking for this kind of feedback, but it looks like some of the leave serated edges are curling up? Very visible in last two photos.

Great fix on the mesh, just watch out for those gotchya points. Those will draw blood it looks like.

I spotted the growth you were talking about. I'm hoping that is just from the branching hormones encouraging new shoots. The parts of the plant coming up through the screen need to be pulled back under.

Beautiful looking plant!! +REP

 

[jimbizzzale67123]

Please forgive me if you aren't looking for this kind of feedback, but it looks like some of the leave serated edges are curling up? Very visible in last two photos.

Great fix on the mesh, just watch out for those gotchya points. Those will draw blood it looks like.

I spotted the growth you were talking about. I'm hoping that is just from the branching hormones encouraging new shoots. The parts of the plant coming up through the screen need to be pulled back under.

Beautiful looking plant!! +REP

All observations are welcome.

The leaves have always seemed to curl up I raised my light and my temps are around 75-79 and it will get cooler as winter is rolling in. I dont know why the leaves are always like that I thought it might just be the strain. I might need another fan in there but its pretty windy in their as it is. I also thought it could have been a little bit of K deficiency.

 

[jimbizzzale67123]

I have also grown in that tent with much higher temps and never had the leaves like that. but I wish I had a PPM meter I need to invest in one so I could be sure how strong the brew is.

 

[remi11]

Man urs is looking really great jim I don't know after looking at urs I'm thinking maybe I stunted mines growth casue I planted her oct 7 and shed I don't know not where I thought she would be what do u think. Oh and mannnn I'm gonna need a bigger screen well with bigger holes I had got like some chicken wire lol http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p253/da691gsr/2010-11-17012754.jpg