Who belives in this American Ideology

[UncleBuck]

I guess people seem to forget what illegal means....there is no reason to give special treatment to the others just because it takes awhile. BOO FUCKING HOO.... All i ask is that they follow the proper channels http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nationalism#cite_note-7

then stop smoking and or growing weed RIGHT NOW. put down the bong and throw your stash in a garbage can.

follow the proper channels to get it legalized, there is no reason to give you special treatment if you use it medically just because it will take a while to make it legal...BOO FUCKING HOO.

so i guess we get to choose which laws are violable and which ones are inviolable?

i never realized this. i am going to start running stop signs.

 

[SLT4x4]

Mexico's Immigration Laws

Calderón doesn't like Arizona's new law? Let's see what Mexico Immigration Law is:

1 There will be no special bilingual programs in the schools.
2. All ballots will be in this nation's language.
3. All government business will be conducted in our language.
4. Non-residents will NOT have the right to vote no matter how long they are here.
5. Non-citizens will NEVER be able to hold political office
6 Foreigners will not be a burden to the taxpayers. No welfare, no food stamps, no health care, or other government assistance programs. Any burden will be deported.
7. Foreigners can invest in this country, but it must be an amount at least equal to 40,000 times the daily minimum wage.
8. If foreigners come here and buy land... options will be restricted. Certain parcels including waterfront property are reserved for citizens naturally born into this country.
9. Foreigners may have no protests; no demonstrations, no waving of a foreign flag, no political organizing, no bad-mouthing our president or his policies. These will lead to deportation.
10. If you do come to this country illegally, you will be actively hunted &, when caught, sent to jail until your deportation can be arranged. All assets will be taken from you.

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And You Think Arizona or American Immigration Laws Are Too strict?...... Re-Read #9 &#10 and then Get a life! Do you really want to support a hypocritical Mexican government?

Hell, I say it is time to Boycott Mexico!

Read more: http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/chicago-political-commentary/2010/05/mexican-president-felipe-calderone-opposes-arizona-law.html#ixzz1BExNNd7o


Make sure you scroll down and see the pics of the Arizona Desert just trashed literally from this crap
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[UncleBuck]

So it would seem to me that people with money make the rules and the middle to lower class folks get the shit end of the stick and the Illegals get the American Dream..... Does anybody see a problem there ?

yes, i do see a problem. you seem to think that the 'american dream' (whatever the fuck that is) is unattainable for a lower middle class american, but handed to illegals on a platter made of precious metals of some sort.

what makes that lower middle class american from attaining the american dream? what is holding you back? are you being persecuted? are you too lazy to go get the american dream? i mean, you admit that people of much less means can get it, so why not you?

We shouldn't have to pay for an illegal in any for whether it be welfare, healthcare or incarceration.

the most thorough study by none other than THE STATE OF TEXAS comes to the opposite conclusion. we CLEARLY profit from illegals. please disprove with factual evidence, make citations. asserting something does not make it so.

When your town or area becomes overridden and dirty

so i am a communist and mexicans are dirty?

how about using some facts instead of playing in the mud, einstein.

 

[UncleBuck]

I agree crypkeeper.The people crossing Illegally are mostly running drugs or are escaping the drug cartels..

not even remotely close to true.

try dealing with facts for a change.

you are massively uninformed and/or misinformed (or just dumb, possibly prejudiced, perhaps all of the above).

 

[UncleBuck]

I feel like you're trying to do what I do, just not as well.

no, i am honestly picking on your 'victim' mentality.

it is pathetic, truth be told.

 

[UncleBuck]

Mexico's Immigration Laws

who the fuck cares about mexico's immigration laws. we are talking about the u.s., in case you were too busy calculating launch trajectories to notice.

 

[justlearning73]

Uncle Buck the last time i checked I am not hurting anyone with what I am doing. I do not support the cartels, i dont even sell it. Sorry man I respect you for your knowledge, but you are comparing apples to oranges on this one. SO i wonder why do you think it is ok for the illeagals to come into our country?

 

[UncleBuck]

SO i wonder why do you think it is ok for the illeagals to come into our country?

i wonder why you support one illegal action, but condemn another. again, do we get to pick and choose what laws we get to follow, or do we do what is right?

is it right to steal a loaf of bread to feed your starving family?

perhaps if you had worked alongside some of the people i have, you might understand why i think THEY are not hurting anyone. in fact, they are supporting their families, local economies, paying taxes, all while being exploited.

would i want to see a reasonable guest worker program so they could do what is right AND not be exploited?

you betcha. *wink*

 

[beardo]

I'm looking for some insight

How can someone regain or enact their second ammendment rights? if they have lost it due to more recent legislature. and how can you be sure that your first ammendment is protected and not limited? I censor my own speech is this unnessary?
And you were posting in the don't flush thread about warrentless entry.
I was serious about any info on second amendment and former cons -are you banned for life? even hunting? or in home self defense? seems like if you have become a law abbiding citizen you should regain your rights

Uncle Buck why do you think it is ok for the illeagals to come into our country?

Or I think a better question would be- why is it ok for our country to allow illegal immigration?

 

[The Cryptkeeper]

Or why this discussion really matters in the end. O.O

 

[UncleBuck]

Or I think a better question would be- why is it ok for our country to allow illegal immigration?

we don't.

hence, the 'illegal' part.

did they take away your gun rights and your license? so sad. sorry to let you know, but i support restricting the rights to firearms for certain people.

straighten up and fly right.

 

[SLT4x4]

NO Uncle Buck has not been affected directly by what goes on and probably has not dealt with Illegals and what they are capable of.I grew up In Southern California very close to the Mexican/American border and have experience with Illegals first hand.So Yes Uncle Buck Maybe I am a tad prejudice but with good reason.I have been stolen from,had my vehicles and home vandalized and have been threatened and have had physical confrontations with these people and I dont put up with it.I have worked hard for what I own,vehicles,House(yes I do own a house) And I take pride in having a nice place for my kids but when these people compromise that because they have no place to go because their country is a shithole it gets a little old.Go live or visit In L.A. or San Diego or Sacramento or Fricken Iowa(yeah they are there too) and be directly affected by them and tell me how you feel afterwords otherwise your words and views mean SHIT ! They will steal from you they will hurt you physically for a few bucks and its not right and they do it in nice neighborhoods.This is a serious issue because of what has happened to me as being affected of those kind of people.Im not totally prejudice I give the same respect that is given to me no matter what color you are.However I am TOTALLY Prejudice against stupidity.

 

[beardo]

we don't.

hence, the 'illegal' part.

did they take away your gun rights and your license? so sad. sorry to let you know, but i support restricting the rights to firearms for certain people.

straighten up and fly right.

Even once you straighten up and fly right you can not regain your rights-not unless reincarnation exists and that takes an entire lifetime
Do you know of any way to reinstate your rights? I read that hypotheticly it can be done by some special request....but that one has never been granted.
The part about illegals being illegal is B.S. I can tell you for a fact you will get in more trouble for stealing DVD's from target than you will if your caught driving a van with hidden mexicans across the border. so its not very illegal and once their here their just chilling...border patrol doesn't go to home depots and construction sights to check I.D.'s and deport illegals

 

[justlearning73]

I have spent plenty of time working in the "field" with them both in Texas and in Tn. Not all are good hearted people just trying to take care of their families. Yes there are some and maybe most are that way. But what gives them the right to take the easy way out when millions have done it the right way? Plus yes i do take offence when i loose a job to an illeagal that shouldnt be here in the first place. Why shouldnt he/she be here? Because it is not their country. So you have no problems with what the illeagals are doing to our nations forest? Yeah you state the Texas research thing....Sorry it is biased. Just like any statics are. It can be a 10% increase, or 90 % failure. Have you looked at the amount of illeagals serving time in our prisons for rape, murder, theft, that sort of thing. How much has that cost us the tax paying citizens? FYI we all choose the laws we will and will not obey. It is called free choice. Throw away my stuff......sorry that is an apples to oranges thing again. I enjoy debate, but can we keep it on topic?

 

[UncleBuck]

NO Uncle Buck has not been affected directly by what goes on and probably has not dealt with Illegals and what they are capable of.I grew up In Southern California very close to the Mexican/American border and have experience with Illegals first hand.So Yes Uncle Buck Maybe I am a tad prejudice but with good reason.I have been stolen from,had my vehicles and home vandalized and have been threatened and have had physical confrontations with these people and I dont put up with it.I have worked hard for what I own,vehicles,House(yes I do own a house) And I take pride in having a nice place for my kids but when these people compromise that because they have no place to go because their country is a shithole it gets a little old.Go live or visit In L.A. or San Diego or Sacramento or Fricken Iowa(yeah they are there too) and be directly affected by them and tell me how you feel afterwords otherwise your words and views mean SHIT ! They will steal from you they will hurt you physically for a few bucks and its not right and they do it in nice neighborhoods.This is a serious issue because of what has happened to me as being affected of those kind of people.Im not totally prejudice I give the same respect that is given to me no matter what color you are.However I am TOTALLY Prejudice against stupidity.

only illegal immigrants do these things?

weird

i have lived in az, even had my car stolen. they found it a few days later at a known meth house. they burnt out the clutch in just under 36 hours, those assholes.

make sure your prejudice is not against the illegals, but rather anyone who commits crime.

crime is not unique to illegal immigrants, you know.

 

[UncleBuck]

border patrol doesn't go to home depots and construction sights to check I.D.'s and deport illegals

why would they? these people work like champions and don't cause trouble.

so what did you do that they took away your license and gun rights? how about a story for us nice folks.

then i can tell you whether i think it is unfair or not. c'mon man, story us.

 

[UncleBuck]

I Yeah you state the Texas research thing....Sorry it is biased.

again, asserting something does not make it so. please articulate WHY the comptroller for the state of texas has a bias, or where his methodology was wrong. you have yet to do any of that. i doubt you have ever seen the report, yet you still call it biased.

now THAT would be biased, to condemn a report you have never read. you kinda just toppled the bookcase onto yourself there.

Have you looked at the amount of illeagals serving time in our prisons for rape, murder, theft, that sort of thing.

have you noticed the amount of white males raping children? or the number of blacks in prison for drug offenses?

i had no idea that crime was unique to illegal immigrants.

I enjoy debate, but can we keep it on topic?

i directly quoted you and responded, it WAS on topic.

why do you feel certain laws are violable and others are not?

it makes no sense to me.

 

[The Cryptkeeper]

Your liberal use of the word 'violable' makes me chuckle. ^_^

 

[SLT4x4]

Well sir All the crime that has been committed to me or my belongings or family have been by Illegals or by the mexican people so yes I am a tad prejudice.I have lived in Arizona Also (Lake Havasu City) and have thought about moving back But im not sure going South will be good for me personally.The biggest reason I moved my family North was to get away from the crime and trouble that was caused by being so close to the border.Its really bad in California.My personal experiences have made my thought process negative with most of those people not all because they arent all that way,Ive raced a few years in Baja and there are decent folks.But when they are put in whatever situation they dont care who they hurt or what the damage and this is a problem,And it is taking a Toll on a few States and the Born Citizens who live here.Im not saying wipe them out theyre useless Im saying do something about it so that it makes it that much harder from them to just skip over here and take advantage and leave us as taxpayers with the bill and the theft and so on....

 

[beardo]

I lost my rights and was incarcerated for stealing. and another time I was caught with a van full of mexicans and held about 2 hours and released without charges-I am personally grateful that they didn't make it a big deal but as an American I am disapointed they did not shoot me. I am upset our borders are not enforced and this was post 9/11 so don't tell me it has changed. I no longer steal and wouldn't bring in any more mexicans and I feel like I should have my rights. Now I am forced to live around and compeat with illegals and I am not able to retain any means of self defence.