The 'Official' Do Not Vote For Obama In 2012 - Thread. Don't Want Him Back N Office!

newworldicon

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see I think you missing the point TOTALLY...I don't need you to tell me my worth at all...I decide that...and yes I will never forget my past..nor will my kids...and I'm not living in the past.. my success shows that...but I will be damn if I forget it..nor will my kids or theirs...Those who do not remember their past are condemned to repeat their mistakes ....what makes you think I'm angry...hell ...today was a good day...by the way ...we are not equal..I'm quite sure I'm better then you
Everything you said there was muted by your last sentence, pity!

And can I just say as a South African who experienced racism first hand...there is a fine line between remembering the past and not letting go of it.

But in your heart I think you know that, sometimes the road is just cloudy.
 

newworldicon

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no but I live in a country that in MY life time people of my color was forced to use different bathrooms, water fountains, etc etc.... so when we say "first" yes sir it is a form of pride...hell at one point in this so called great nation if I knew how to read or write I would have been killed..so yeah I never forget my past and stand proud for our future...sorry that you can't stand we acknowledge our success after years and year of hate and pain...OBAMA 2012
"after years and year of hate and pain".........Here you acknowledge that grudge.
 

newworldicon

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glad you can see it....OBAMA 2012
I hope you don't think I'm ganging up on you here but are you just saying Obama 2012 for the sake of opposing windsblow or do you really believe in the guy and what he can do, it has crossed my mind that you also want to support him simply because he is black?

It was that thinking that got him in in the first place, people by their nature like to make history.
 

canndo

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I hope you don't think I'm ganging up on you here but are you just saying Obama 2012 for the sake of opposing windsblow or do you really believe in the guy and what he can do, it has crossed my mind that you also want to support him simply because he is black?

It was that thinking that got him in in the first place, people by their nature like to make history.

No. What got Obama "here" is McCain and Palin.
 

MrDank007

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You're partially right, but that is because many governments are engaging in Austerity instead (which is worse, quite frankly).

The only things that kept the $850 billion dollar stimulus from working better than it did are 1) half of it was tax cuts, as opposed to infrastructure and 2)$850 billion wouldn't have been enough in the first place (estimates have shown that 1.2-1.4 trillion would have likely been sufficient).

Keynesian economics are responsible for the fastest economic recovery in the history of the world (New Deal, the Great Depression), Monetarist economic principles ended inflation by inducing both the depression and recovery in the early 1980's, Keynesian and monetarist principles were used in Japan's "Lost Decade" (although it took them quite a while to actually spend enough to get out of their recession, after the first round of legislative acts it took them until 1998 to spend more... a couple of years later they recovered and have been considered one of the best economies in the world.. until massive waves ofc).

Where has classical economics taken us?

It just seems everywhere I look, the evidence is there for Keynes - but there is nothing supporting neo-classical policies as a way out of recession(many key principles are essentially frauds... Trickle down theory? debunked.. cutting taxes increases revenue? debunked...).
I've read most of your examples and like most economics it uses the past and is not neccesarily prudent from a common sense standpoint today. Let's give you the benifit of the doubt and say that Keynes worked. Now, do you think it will work forever? Today? 50 years? 1,000 years? Does it work in every situation? Things change.

We can both agree that the world is a much different place today. My problem with Keynesian economics is that it is a justifying excuse for poor choices by politicians. Let's consider the world today and what has changed.

1) Massive foreign debt
2) Scale of debt
3) Global marketplace that reacts to the scale of debt

I would agree that a financially healthy gov can improve a recession by pumping "good money" into the system.
However, common sense will dictate that a financially distressed government that acquires bad debt on top of bad debt is bad. Unfortunately, when you are at the end of your rope, you have to tighten the belt.

It would seem right now, we have Robert Earl Keensian economics as the road goes on forever and the party never ends
 

Windsblow

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I've read most of your examples and like most economics it uses the past and is not neccesarily prudent from a common sense standpoint today. Let's give you the benifit of the doubt and say that Keynes worked. Now, do you think it will work forever? Today? 50 years? 1,000 years? Does it work in every situation? Things change.

We can both agree that the world is a much different place today. My problem with Keynesian economics is that it is a justifying excuse for poor choices by politicians. Let's consider the world today and what has changed.

1) Massive foreign debt
2) Scale of debt
3) Global marketplace that reacts to the scale of debt

I would agree that a financially healthy gov can improve a recession by pumping "good money" into the system.
However, common sense will dictate that a financially distressed government that acquires bad debt on top of bad debt is bad. Unfortunately, when you are at the end of your rope, you have to tighten the belt.

It would seem right now, we have Robert Earl Keensian economics as the road goes on forever and the party never ends
It can't last forever :clap::clap::clap::clap::clap::clap::clap::clap::hump:
 

londonfog

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I hope you don't think I'm ganging up on you here but are you just saying Obama 2012 for the sake of opposing windsblow or do you really believe in the guy and what he can do, it has crossed my mind that you also want to support him simply because he is black?

It was that thinking that got him in in the first place, people by their nature like to make history.
I really think he is the best for the job..unless you can tell me someone better
 

Serapis

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And his time as a state legislature, his law degrees, his experience as a US senator........ And while you knock his community organizer title, don't forget he used some of those organizational skills to raise the most money ever in a campaign from individual, private donors. He got elected, when are you going to get over that? See ya in 2012...

Don't forget all his qualifications, all of his adminstrative experience and years of public service.
 

Windsblow

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And his time as a state legislature, his law degrees, his experience as a US senator........ And while you knock his community organizer title, don't forget he used some of those organizational skills to raise the most money ever in a campaign from individual, private donors. He got elected, when are you going to get over that? See ya in 2012...
I am just teasing ya'll
I don't care if he is president.
I got over it as soon as the votes were counted for the primaries I lost no matter who won.
Try not to over inflate his credentials though, it makes you look like a partisan. We know he had no experience come on we are both adult here lets not kid our selves. We don't normally consider State senators contenders for President precisely because they don't the prerquesits. As for the State senate experience he couldn't have had less. My brother has a law degree, my cousins teaches constitutional law at ASU and I know some lawyers but that hardly qualifies them for anything other than to practice law.
 

Windsblow

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And his time as a state legislature, his law degrees, his experience as a US senator........ And while you knock his community organizer title, don't forget he used some of those organizational skills to raise the most money ever in a campaign from individual, private donors. He got elected, when are you going to get over that? See ya in 2012...
Oh I never siad anything about his wanna be Jesse Jackson Ass. Community Organizing is not public service.
 

Serapis

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Care to define it for me then? Do you know what a community organizer does? He did it at a national level. I'm merely pointing out he had a lot more experience to run for president than you gave him credit for. You can dismiss his 2 law degrees, and his time serving in a national and a state legislature. regardless of your opinion on his qualifications, the man did win the presidency once, and he'll easily do it again ;) This time around ya'll can drop the community organizer tag and refer to his 4 years as a President ;)

Oh I never siad anything about his wanna be Jesse Jackson Ass. Community Organizing is not public service.
 

londonfog

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Well according to windsblow Apraham Lincoln and John F Kennedy would not have qualified to be POTUS either.....go figure
 

MrDank007

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Care to define it for me then? Do you know what a community organizer does? He did it at a national level. I'm merely pointing out he had a lot more experience to run for president than you gave him credit for. You can dismiss his 2 law degrees, and his time serving in a national and a state legislature. regardless of your opinion on his qualifications, the man did win the presidency once, and he'll easily do it again ;) This time around ya'll can drop the community organizer tag and refer to his 4 years as a President ;)
You are dimissing his blackness (sorry sorry!), otherwise Hillary would have won..or McCain.
 
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